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<blockquote data-quote="Blade Runner" data-source="post: 1332650" data-attributes="member: 17573">^An overwhelming number of those men (and women) were married by age 22. Think of it, I&#039;m not making excuses, but it&#039;s an entirely different ballgame. Even if you have (bad) sex once every two weeks, you can pretty much do away with that &quot;urge&quot;.I was an achiever and relatively late bloomer to the world of testosterone and sex (likely having to do with intelligence, religion, patience and race), which of course was a blessing. It progressively became a bit more of a challenge (I won&#039;t say curse) that was longer lasting as a result, even though I never really cared to be some sort of player that many of the PUA types extolled or was urged by the culture. I always knew it was &quot;wrong&quot; but so few quality women came along, and no cultural impetus to get married early, or all of the above since everyone did the career or education route that eats all of your 20s - you know?That&#039;s why it&#039;s somewhat amusing when you see these Owen Benjamin types, I don&#039;t know - Roosh might be in this category - who tell you the truth that you know: a good woman, family, kids, yes these are all better. I don&#039;t expect them not to say anything about how much more rewarding and healthy it is. But the convenient thing for OB is that most (or a lot of us) aren&#039;t just vapidly going after girls just to &quot;play the game.&quot; He was able to find someone good in his sphere who wanted to be with a tall, former actor/comedian. Good on him. But that&#039;s what I would argue most are actually looking for, wading through all the destroyed women who declare themselves as just fun and not serious, who won&#039;t submit, are too old, or provide all manner of headaches that aren&#039;t worth marrying. I guess it ultimately becomes an expectations game for each sex, but in this culture by and large they ask a lot of men without understanding that post 30 women are on a remarkably descending path biologically, making the juice not worth the squeeze. Ultimately you can&#039;t have improvement until people speak honestly about this. It&#039;s like PC culture and politics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blade Runner, post: 1332650, member: 17573"] ^An overwhelming number of those men (and women) were married by age 22. Think of it, I'm not making excuses, but it's an entirely different ballgame. Even if you have (bad) sex once every two weeks, you can pretty much do away with that "urge". I was an achiever and relatively late bloomer to the world of testosterone and sex (likely having to do with intelligence, religion, patience and race), which of course was a blessing. It progressively became a bit more of a challenge (I won't say curse) that was longer lasting as a result, even though I never really cared to be some sort of player that many of the PUA types extolled or was urged by the culture. I always knew it was "wrong" but so few quality women came along, and no cultural impetus to get married early, or all of the above since everyone did the career or education route that eats all of your 20s - you know? That's why it's somewhat amusing when you see these Owen Benjamin types, I don't know - Roosh might be in this category - who tell you the truth that you know: a good woman, family, kids, yes these are all better. I don't expect them not to say anything about how much more rewarding and healthy it is. But the convenient thing for OB is that most (or a lot of us) aren't just vapidly going after girls just to "play the game." He was able to find someone good in his sphere who wanted to be with a tall, former actor/comedian. Good on him. But that's what I would argue [B]most [/B]are actually looking for, wading through all the destroyed women who declare themselves as just fun and not serious, who won't submit, are too old, or provide all manner of headaches that aren't worth marrying. I guess it ultimately becomes an expectations game for each sex, but in this culture by and large they ask a lot of men without understanding that post 30 women are on a remarkably descending path biologically, making the juice not worth the squeeze. Ultimately you can't have improvement until people speak honestly about this. It's like PC culture and politics. [/QUOTE]

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