Hugh Hefner dead at 91

N°6

Hummingbird
budoslavic said:
R.I.P.
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Blue Pill PUA: Wow, I could have all these women with Game

Red Pill Man: The involuntary celibate men anti-represented by these women is why you now need Game
 

Cobra

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Mercenary said:
Cobra said:
That said THIS TIME they take utterly laughable comments FURTHER by hating against someone whose game was obviously infinitely better than theirs.

Edit: He was a player gents, deserving of our respect.

When I look at Hef, I don't see a man with game....I see a lowlife oppurtunist businessman getting rich on the frustrations of men to bed a girl in early days of the rise of toxic feminism. (1950s-1970s)

If he really was a player with game, he sure as hell never shared any useful informaton with men on HOW to game and why it's necessary.

I can watch a single film with Steve Mcqueen or Jack Nicholson and get much better advice on how to be alpha and game and seduce a woman, than from over 50 years of Hef's useless bullshit.


brianmark said:
Hef wanted men to succeed with women and have more sex and a better life.

No, he did not.
Nothing that he ever published told men the methods necessary to succeed,

brianmark said:
The more his readers succeeded in obtaining that lifestyle the more it furthered what he was promoting and the cause for all men.

Bullshit.
Every time a man were to actually achieve anything close to Hef's lifestyle, he would stop paying for anything playboy related.
Hef had to make sure none of the fantasies he sold NEVER came true for any of his customers, lest Hef go out of business.

Typical hate post and utter player hating bullshit representative of the exact issue I mentioned. Yet, I'm not going to just say this without substantiation and walk off like a troll.

So let me get this straight. By this standard of yours since he HAS NOT HELPED other men with specific guidance on game, he HAS NO GAME? :laugh:

However, Steve McQueen and Jack Nicholson did because they played parts in movies you paid to watch and that was enough for you? I mean your game actually improved by watching these guys play fictional characters on screen. Your statement, not mine. In this case, please tell me how many 7s or 8s you have bedded from this learning. I would like to know.

I actually agree you can learn a lot from these guys but they were also in it for themselves. They have no obligation to other men to teach them game. You just happened to either learn or think you learned from them. Just like Hef. That said, Hef was smart and smooth enough that he singlehandedly made more money from more men than McQueen or Nicholson ever did. What they did was emulate an example for men and that was enough. Hef did the same exact thing but you're mad because he was openly banging hot women and not giving a fuck? Or was it because he put them in magazines naked and made money off of it? There is learning here if you get beyond the hate.

Game is around you as a puzzle to decipher as a man. No one has an obligation to decipher it for you. You can choose to get better at it by using your resources to find the right sources or you can choose to fap to porn or a playboy magazine. Your choice. Don't put that on Hef.
 

Vicious

Crow
Gold Member
N°6 said:
Red Pill Man: The involuntary celibate men anti-represented by these women is why you now need Game

Funny how close this sounds to how rabid feminists talk about male power structures and similar tired drivel.
 

Comte De St. Germain

Crow
Gold Member
Cobra said:
You guys think Hugh Hefner got good poon by paying for it akin to someone that's desperate?

This is some of the most asinine shit I've heard and comes from not only a place of hate but also from the game wasteland their sorry lives reside in. The same members make asinine statements about game consistently on the forum. Unfortunately they generally stay in the politics related forums and think they somehow built credibility to comment on game. Give it a rest, we know better.

That said THIS TIME they take utterly laughable comments FURTHER by hating against someone whose game was obviously infinitely better than theirs. It is funny to see.

The value of a man and his game will always be a content of his demeanor AND his resources. You don't become an international playboy without having the means to support it. You spend more money, you get better talent. Thats not the same thing as some schmuck buying an escort. It rather means, a drink at a nicer place with a rooftop view or getting cufflinks.

Having such an elementary and overly analytical view of game will never help you. I mean what ..... the .... fuck!

Edit: He was a player gents, deserving of our respect. If you don't see him as a player, I doubt you see yourself as one.

:pOTD:


Well you've outlined why I'm not even bothering to argue with them. It's pretty easy to see who has no game in this thread.
 

Cobra

Hummingbird
Gold Member
nomadbrah said:
What practical game did you learn from Hef, Cobra? Honest question.

My point: I wasn't ever trying to learn practical game from Hef. I have my own lifestyle and what I know has been learned from many others, especially men on the forum. He just made things more plausible and real for certain men who already had game. These are the men that DID NOT need to buy playboy magazines to wack off. Hef wasn't there to reach. He was there to set an example of what men can achieve. There may be a thin line but difference nevertheless.

He just had lots of poon he leveraged from his resources and that's respectable. His confidence and way he carried himself, also respectable and some could learn from this. A lot of everything else is his own. Hard to replicate especially with no preexisting game.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
Merc, this is all hindsight.

People didn't even realize there was such a thing as game on a broad scale until the early 2000's.

In the 70's and 80's most thought that some guys had it and some guys didn't.

Just being a normal guy was enough back then that you still would have some success with women without breaking it down like a nerd and modelling successful guys.

I'm not hating on game, only saying that it wasn't even in the heads of people back then that there was a self help route to the bang.

You would have felt weird back then studying some other dude and imitating him.

The early nerd gamers like Neil Strauss, Mystery, and Owen Cook treated it like a code to break and shamelessly imitated men they saw as successful with women, and traded reports online and came up with methods of seduction.

Overall, a good development because at the same time, women were getting more and more egomaniacal.

Charging Hef with not helping men is like charging Thomas Jefferson with not addressing trans rights. It literally wasn't in anyone's head back then.

I do agree with you there is a seamy side to all this, but I think the mistake you are making is reducing it to the seamy side and failing to see any benefits at all.

I was in my 20's in the 80's and if I or any of my friends thought about Playboy magazine, it was as a nostalgia spank mag from our teens. It just wasn't that big a deal.

That was about the time Hustler magazine came out, and at the time I thought it was truly disgusting, more like a gynecological text than a fantasy of the female.

Save your opprobrium for Flynt and that degenerate publication. He removed everything feminine or mysterious from women, and the cartoons were crass and sucked, and the articles set the stage for every larping lad's mag of today.

He was the prototype for the inhuman pumping porn of today too, hiding behind the fake virtue of free speech.

Like I said earlier, there are far worse archetypes of the Casanova than Hef, and at least he paid top dollar to some great writers and artists.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
I have heard men as the question "What did Hefner teach us about game?"

The important thing to realize is that what Hefner actually did was make it feasible to widely distribute naked pictures of women to men. Before then, there were just sleazy magazines like "Stag" that had limited distribution. Hefner made a respectable magazine with naked pictures of the girl next store. It was thus mainstream enough to get it into the distribution in newsstands across America. I saw my first picture of a naked women, when I was with some friends who discovered some playboys in their uncle's addict. Today, seeing a naked woman is totally trivial. Just google it on the Internet. But back then, a network of uncles was the first Internet.

Also, men back then didn't need instructions in picking up women. They just needed the government to stop harassing them. So, a large portion of Hefner's "The Playboy Philosophy" editorial was devoted to discussing the history of sexual repression in America, including the Mann Act and other laws that made premarital sex legally risky. Under the Mann Act, a man could be thrown in prison for taking a woman on a weekend trip for sex. Chuck Berry went to prison under the Mann Act.

Taken from "The Playboy Philosophy"

"Because it is transportation for an immoral purpose that the law forbids, a businessman was
charged with a violation of the Mann Act when, after a few days' vacation in Florida, he became lonely and wired a girlfriend, with whom he had previous relations, to join him there. His wire included the cost of air transportation; she caught the next flight to Miami Beach, and they spent the rest of his vacation there together. At vacation's end, they had a quarrel, but being a gentleman he saw to it that she was returned safely home. Subsequently, on her testimony, the man was charged with and convicted of violating the Mann Act."

Today, we may debate whether the sexual revolution was a disaster. It's true that back then a man could find a wife and get married younger. But also, there were a lot of men trapped in sexless marriages that were hard to get out of with divorce laws based on fault. I wonder how many of the moralizers today would really like to return in the 1950s? There are advantages and disadvantages. Pick your poison.

From "The Playboy Philosophy":

"Naturally, Playboy includes sex as one of the ingredients in its total entertainment and service package for the young urban male. And far from proving that we suffer from a split editorial personality, it shows that we understand our reader and the things that interest him.

When the older magazines offer sex to their readers, it is usually in association with sickness, sin or sensationalism. In Playboy, sex is offered in the form of pretty girls and humor. One approach emphasizes the negative side of sex and the other, the positive. It seems obvious to us which approach is the healthy, the natural and the right one.

If Playboy's approach to sex is sound, then perhaps we are guilty of simply placing too much emphasis on it. We don't think so, however. Most of the other major magazines in America are produced with the same point of view as the typical television program -- they're aimed at an entire household, at everyone and no one. Playboy, by contrast, is edited solely for the young urban male, who naturally has a
little more interest in sex and pretty girls than does a general or family audience. We try to edit Playboy with the adult directness of a good foreign film, the spice and fun of a Broadway show."

The Playboy Philosophy, Hugh Hefner, 1962.
 

Mercenary

Hummingbird
Cobra said:
Typical hate post and utter player hating bullshit representative of the exact issue I mentioned.

Claiming I'm a player hater on an forum practically comprised of 99% players, and with half of my own 2300 posts in the "game" section (and having met over 15 RVF members in real life) is just ludricrous.

Cobra said:
So let me get this straight. By this standard of yours since he HAS NOT HELPED other men with specific guidance on game, he HAS NO GAME?

You can either learn game from another man willing to teach based you on his expierences (such as by reading Roosh's material or the thoughts of the guys on this forum) or you can observe other men by studying his style and interactions when seducing women. With Hef, you could do neither of these things.

Look at Hef in TV interviews through the decades....does he come across as alpha in anything he says or the way he speaks ?
Is this a man you can realistically imitate to have success with women ?

Cobra said:
However, Steve McQueen and Jack Nicholson did because they played parts in movies you paid to watch and that was enough for you? I mean your game actually improved by watching these guys play fictional characters on screen. Your statement, not mine. In this case, please tell me how many 7s or 8s you have bedded from this learning. I would like to know.

Yes, my game did improve by watching these actors. Just as an example, Heartiste (Roissy) wrote an entire blog post with a second by second breakdown of how to learn game from a single scene of a few minutes in a Jack Nicholson movie called "As Good As It Gets". You can read it here:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/great-scenes-of-game-in-the-movies-7/

That one scene alone teaches you more on passing shit tests, acting alpha, self control and reframing arguments, than anything Hef ever brought to the table. The full 5 minute video link is broken, but you can see most of the scene here:


Heartiste did another full blog post on Mcqueen's body language from a single picture here:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/the-alpha-male-pose/

[img=400x500]https://heartiste.files.wordpress.c...-atlas-gallery-yatzer-1.jpg?w=500&h=672[/img]

As for personal notches gained by watching this actors...how the hell would I know ? It's part of an overall red pill re-education. Once you've internalised core game techniques and start banging hotter & younger girls, you stop wondering about which individual details from all that you've learnt got them to open their legs every single time. It's not like I wake up the morning after I've banged out a girl and ask her if it was my Mcqueen-esque body language in the club, or my clever Nicholson-ian reframing during our bar conversation that got her attracted to me.

Cobra said:
That said, Hef was smart and smooth enough that he singlehandedly made more money from more men than McQueen or Nicholson ever did.

I don't recall any game blog in the last decade talking about Hefner as a role model for anything related to the seduction, manosphere or red pill community.

Cobra said:
Hef did the same exact thing but you're mad because he was openly banging hot women and not giving a fuck?

Jealous of a guy who wore pyjamas all day, had 2 divorces and got all his notches due to his unlimited cash and fame, instead of through pure skill ? Right...

Cobra said:
Or was it because he put them in magazines naked and made money off of it?

Yeah, thats is correct.
I take issue with the fact that he was was a ruthless profiteer of men's thrist.
He is not a role model in any way for me.

Cobra said:
Game is around you as a puzzle to decipher as a man. No one has an obligation to decipher it for you. You can choose to get better at it by using your resources to find the right sources or you can choose to fap to porn or a playboy magazine. Your choice. Don't put that on Hef.

If these are the only choices, then why are we all on RVF taking about game related issues every day ?
 

Dantes

Pelican
Gold Member
I doubt there is anything we can learn from Hefner related to the seduction of women. This reasoning is misguided and irrelevant. It is unlikely he ever gave a second thought to improving the lives of men. As others have pointed out, those kind of ideals were not in our collective thinking. He was selling a fantasy and made a fortunate doing it.

This "what has he done for us" thinking is futile and reeks of hating on a man who created an International brand from scratch, made millions, and enjoyed a sex life with beautiful women most of us can only dream of.

What we can learn from Hefner is that money, status and fame always trumps Game. Game is great and vital for men who don't have the aforementioned, but it will always be a grind unless you get your lifestyle to do the work for you.

On another note, Nicholson played some great alpha roles and is likely an alpha in real life. However, this particular role is not one to aspire to. From my recollection (I haven't seen the movie in years) he was a psychologically debilitated man who was socially awkward, a hermit and spent the entire movie chasing a washed-up single mother. Check out: Chinatown, A Few Good Men and The Witches Of Eastwick for roles that are more in line with an Alpha persona.
 

Samseau

Owl
Gold Member
Can anyone name some girls Hugh banged that weren't pimped out in his mag? Because without that carrot to dangle I don't think he would have gotten many bangs, if any at all. As far as I can research on the net, every single girl that Hugh was married to, or appeared with in public, was a playmate whore.

Game not recognized. Whores are not game. Now, you may respect his ability as a pimp, especially as a nonviolent one utilizing technology and marketing, but pimping is just whoremongering and I have no respect for it. I feel bad for men trapped in the world of whores, and hope they can get out someday. The same goes for women.
 

Samseau

Owl
Gold Member
Here are Roosh's early positions on whores:

http://www.rooshv.com/sleeping-with-prostitutes

Sleeping With Prostitutes

About half a dozen guys I’ve met since college have told me their story of sleeping with a prostitute. There was one thing in common with each guy: none of them actually paid for the prostitute, a relative or friend did. All of them made sure to stress that fact, which tells me that the shame isn’t in sleeping with prostitutes, it’s paying for it.
I’m not a fan of the “Well you are paying for sex anyway through dating” argument. Sure you spend money on food or drink with the intent of sleeping with a girl, but sex is never a sure-thing and in the end she sleeps with you because she wants to, not because she thinks she’ll get something immediately after the sex act is done. I agree that there are golddiggers who put out to keep the good times rolling, but I doubt they actually count how many more dinners they will get from one additional instance of sex.

If I’m able to sleep with attractive girls on my own, I can’t imagine a reason or situation where I would pay for one, even if I was about to jam it in. But how about if there is a girl who is incredibly hot and on a level way beyond anything I’ve experienced? If the price was right and she “looked” clean, I would give it consideration until the disease issue would most likely force me to back out. Morally and intellectually, though, I can handle it.

No personal objection in 2007, but rejects the argument that "you pay no matter what."

Is Banging Prostitutes A Worthwhile Alternative To Game?


http://www.rooshv.com/sleeping-with-prostitutes

In Medellin I met a lot of guys who frequented prostitutes, and I want to talk about the main argument they use to justify their behavior:

You’re paying for it anyway. You have to take her out to dinner and drinks. That costs money and there’s no guarantee you’re going to get laid.

Somewhat reasonable on the surface, but it’s only true for men who don’t have game, where the cost of new pussy acquisition (cost per notch) can be the per capita income of some third world nations (no joke).

If you have solid game, getting laid is incredibly cheap. Most of my lays in the United States are one night stands, and that’s a cost of $0 until you start counting the indirect costs related to existence (true cost per notch). Half of my dates are simply going over to the girls place to bang and many others are where she pays because she knows I’m poor.

Game is like having passive income, where even if you are not currently paying to play, you still have residual pussy that you can fuck for free. With prostitution the moment you stop paying is the moment you stop fucking.

It’s true that learning game is not cheap and takes time, but if you put in at least a year of solid work, you can have a lifetime of scoring pussy relatively easy. It’s like getting a college degree for a job that guarantees full employment until you die. The alternative is not getting the girls you want, whining on men’s rights forums all day long, and having to pay a whore each time you want to fuck. Your only hope of a relationship in that case is a mail order bride (which I’m not bashing but just saying).

The main difference between guys learning game and guys banging prostitutes is laziness. The second is creepiness. Meet a regular john and you’ll understand what I mean—they brag about fucking prostitutes like a college guy brags about fucking a sorority slut. I’ll just say this: if the girl you fucked wouldn’t acknowledge you on the street afterwards, and in most cases would ignore you and pray you don’t recognize her, then I consider your bang to be shameful and something you should keep to yourself.

Extremely negative on whoring here.

Sex Tourists vs. Love Tourists

http://www.rooshv.com/sex-tourists-vs-love-tourists

Sex tourists go to countries with the explicit goal to pay for sex.
Love tourists go to countries with a goal to date women. This may include sex, casual relationships, and long-term relationships.

Sex tourists do not study game.
Love tourists study game, psychology, and other related fields that help them be more attractive to women.

Sex tourists share tips on where the best whores are located.
Love tourists share tips on where the most feminine women are located.

Sex tourists hate American women.
Love tourists hate American women.

Sex tourists think that all women care about are looks and money.
Love tourists understand that human attraction includes a wide range of variables and factors.

Sex tourists go to a city with a goal to drop cash in brothels.
Love tourists go to a city with a goal to start conversations with attractive women.

Sex tourists pack viagra.
Love tourists pack baking soda.

Sex tourists do not have sex without directly paying for it
Love tourists do not pay money to have sex.

Sex tourists pay for the “girlfriend experience.”
Love tourists get real girlfriends.

Sex tourists learn how to say “How much for one hour?” in the local language.
Love tourists spend months doing Pimsleur language audio courses, sometimes taking university-level classes.

Sex tourists rationalize paying directly for sex as efficient.
Love tourists rationalize not paying for sex as real.

Sex tourists congregate on the internet to share whoremongering stories.
Love tourists congregate on the internet to share city data sheets.

Sex tourists don’t care if there are love tourists around.
Love tourists prefer to stay far away from sex tourists.

Sex tourists would consider getting a mail order bride.
Love tourists wouldn’t consider a mail order bride since he can cultivate real relationships from scratch.

Sex tourists get freebies in the form of an extra 15 minutes from his whore.
Love tourists get freebies in the form of a blowjob in the bushes by a girl who loves Americans.

I don’t blame feminists too much for grouping us with sex tourists since love touristry is at the leading edge of the nascent movement, but if they wish to get into an intelligent debate about why we do what we do, the difference must be respected.

Basically puts whoremongers in totally different categories as players, which is exactly how I see Hugh Hefner. Not part of the game world, just a connoisseur of whores who never stopped his addiction.

Also, interesting thread:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-9018.html

"P4P vs. Paying for everything else"
 

worldwidetraveler

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Samseau said:
Can anyone name some girls Hugh banged that weren't pimped out in his mag? Because without that carrot to dangle I don't think he would have gotten many bangs, if any at all. As far as I can research on the net, every single girl that Hugh was married to, or appeared with in public, was a playmate whore.

Game not recognized. Whores are not game. Now, you may respect his ability as a pimp, especially as a nonviolent one utilizing technology and marketing, but pimping is just whoremongering and I have no respect for it. I feel bad for men trapped in the world of whores, and hope they can get out someday. The same goes for women.

I don't know if Hef had game or not. I suspect his game was more like Hollywood producers or directors "gaming" wannabe stars. I don't think Joss Whedon has game but he probably banged quite a few young stars throughout his years as a director.
 
http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...f/news-story/6335de5029cff79a7b93963fd2b1f217

FROM 1978 through 1979, Stefan Tetenbaum worked as Hugh Hefner’s valet, doing everything from restocking the Playboy founder’s fridge with necessities like perfectly chilled Pepsi to cleaning sex toys after Hefner’s infamous “Pig Nights”, when the robe-clad Hef would call in prostitutes for his friends.

My job as Mr. Hefner’s valet was to take care of him in a very personal way. I prepared his “sick menu” — Pepsi, Campbell’s chicken noodle soup and M&Ms — whenever he felt ill, which was often because he was a hypochondriac. I also made sure the maids took all the sex toys down to the basement after use and washed and sterilised them before returning the gadgets to the secret compartment above his bed.

On certain nights, Mr. Hefner had prostitutes brought up to the mansion and he would entertain them with a big dinner and invite his friends to come and participate in different intimate acts with them. It was called “Pig Night”. Sometimes the women had penises and Hefner didn’t want to be involved with that, although some of the other guests, especially John Belushi, they didn’t mind.

Hugh, most of the time, never had sex with women. He was more interested in watching. He would hire famous male porn stars, including John Holmes, with huge penises and watch them have sex with different girls he brought in. Hugh sat there in his favourite chair, smoking a joint and eating red licorice and watching. I had to go into the room afterwards and if the girls couldn’t walk, I would have to escort them to the bedrooms so they could recuperate. Hef sometimes gave bonuses to the women because the sex acts were so painful.

He always filmed the encounters. He had two large video cameras over his bed and he had these giant screens across from his bed. He had a whole library for these sex acts with different people and the video librarian told me Hef planned to use the footage against his associates if they ever threatened to come out with a memoir about him or the mansion.

For many people, the Playboy mansion was a safe haven from the paparazzi and private detectives. A married comedian came for years, bringing different girls to have sex with. I had to take many food trays into the room where he was with these girls.

There was always cocaine around, though Mr. Hefner didn’t partake, preferring weed (he would often have parties where he invited all the marijuana growers in California to the house).

The entire grounds were under surveillance. There were cameras everywhere and all the phones were bugged. The staff had to be very careful and the men weren’t allowed to speak to any of Hef’s girls or socialise with them. But if one of Hef’s bunnies was out by the swimming pool and requested a lobster or cheeseburger, you’d deliver it to her and put the tray between her legs and while she oiled her legs, you’d see all sorts of toys that were attached to her vaginal area. The girls loved to tease me. You also weren’t supposed to be married if you worked for Hef. It was one of the rules, which somehow he ignored for me since my wife also worked at the mansion as a greeter during parties.

Hef wasn’t a kind man. If he tasted the Pepsi and it wasn’t cold enough, he would throw it away and call me to replace it. I don’t know if he ever even knew my name. He would just call me “valet.” He was very brutal to his girlfriends and sex partners. He made sure they had breast implants. In those days, the implants were new and they would shift and burst and I witnessed many women who had this done begging and crying to Hef to help them and he would put them back in the hospital and then discard these women. He didn’t care. They were disposable.

I really didn’t feel anything when I heard Hef died. He started out as an innovator and was a very liberal guy. He was pro abortion, gay rights, marijuana. He was very ahead of his time and then when he moved from Chicago to Holmby Hills, he became just another dirty old rich man.

Hef was an impotent scum bag.
 

CaptainS

Hummingbird
nomadbrah said:
What practical game did you learn from Hef, Cobra? Honest question.

I'll take a stab. Drug game. Hef was well known for having to provide a ton of various drugs to get women to even accept a party invite. He didn't openly teach this in the magazine of course and he tried to downplay it in his personal life but plenty of playmates have talked about the Jordan Belfort level of drugs being passed around.

From early on, Hef used the same thing all celebrities use - being high status and letting that do the work for him. That's a form of game I guess but, again, it's not something he actively taught. He preferred to believe that the broads were there for his gamesmanship. He also had a team of friends who would pre-qualify women for him in exchange for party invites. At parties, Hef would pay the girls in cash, connections and thousands of dollars of blow to "entertain" guests. Magic Johnson talked about learning that from Hef.

Paying the girls to come to parties attracted a LOT of Hollywood's beta bux types - and the girls knew that. The girls would work the party trying to better deal their way out of the Playboy empire. David Spade ended up with a kid by falling for that one. Barbi Benton met her real estate developer husband that way.

Speaking of Barbi, Hef had to spend millions and travel the world to keep her interested. Is that good gamesmanship? It's not the same kind of game I'd think most men here aspire to. Most men here consider a dinner date to be a waste of money...at best. Imagine anyone here bragging about banging a girl they had to buy a private jet for, travel the world for, pay for her recording career, buy her way into TV and movie roles and she still quit having sex and left him for weeks at a time to focus on her career. He eventually found other chicks so player status maintained?

Hef made a huge push into TV and film at one point and turned his ability to get girls bit roles in various projects into sex...standard casting couch game.

Hef was a player in the sense that he was vehemently against monogamy and had the resources to procure new women, but his game wasn't great. He never had the ability to get women without the promise of instant status, money, drugs, connections or exposure.


Cobra said:
That said, Hef was smart and smooth enough that he singlehandedly made more money from more men than McQueen or Nicholson ever did.

Actually, Jack has over 9 times the net worth of Hef when he died.
 

polar

Pelican
Gold Member
N°6 said:
budoslavic said:

Blue Pill PUA: Wow, I could have all these women with Game

Red Pill Man: The involuntary celibate men anti-represented by these women is why you now need Game

Most Don't Talk About This, but for around 100k / year you could make any schmuck look like Hefner or Bilzerian.

Book high end looking venues.
Hire whordes of Instagram ho's, and a few photographers.
Hire "models" to recognize you as a celebrity and bodyguards to follow you around when you're shipping.
Add a social media management team.

All you need is $$$ and a cameraman.
 
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