I don't understand people who say kids "need" preschool.

Ah_Tibor

Pelican
Woman
Orthodox
They’d try to diagnose you as such. They tried the same with me in the late 90s. What’s a half day to you? A full day of kindergarten for me was 8 to 3, to my best memory.
12-3; we took a shuttle bus to the elementary school and got home around 4.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
I hated school, pretty much all of it. I honestly dont think i learned anything of value in it all. Maybe a bit of basic maths, and some french, thats it. Left at 15, never regretted it

I read voraciously as a kid, history especially, was obsessed with ancient greece, and latter historical novels by like of rosemary sutcliff. The history we had was so anodyne and dry, from a succession of bored female teachers.

This was the 80s pre poz, certainly anything like today. Spending whole day looking at clock so could go and play football on breaks, run around like a healthy child should be doing.

I 100% learned way much through accidental self education via books i enjoyed tgan anything in school. It was just like a holding house. And there is or was an element of social training with other kids to it all, i understand that, but i got that but better, from sports clubs and just neighbourhood day to day life.
 

Lamkins

Woodpecker
Woman
Protestant
I’ve determined, and I’m serious here, that I could’ve quit school in 5th grade and had the exact same results in my life. Reading and math up to fractions is all I’ve ever used. If I’d wanted to specialize in a specific career I’d have needed more, but regular life requires very little of what I learned in school. I quit at 16 and haven’t regretted it.
 

IconWriter

Woodpecker
Woman
Orthodox
Gold Member
There is an article out currently talking about how much damage the pandemic has caused the current generation of preschoolers. Supposedly, there's a whole two years of children who are falling behind and won't be "ready for kindergarten".

I genuinely don't understand this. I have four children and none of them ever went to preschool. All three of my girls picked reading up right on schedule at the age of 5-6. My son was actually reading at age 3.5.

What are these parents doing?? It's not difficult to provide a child with a basic preschool education... EVEN if you work, and EVEN if you're poor. Teach them their ABC's on a dry erase board from the dollar store. Teach them their colors with things around the house. Teach them basic science concepts from the world around them. I really don't understand.
I agree. I feel the same about kindergarten. It wasn't required where I grew up and I turned out ok, lol.
 

Luna Novem

Kingfisher
Woman
Catholic
My sis in law put her third child in creche aged 8 months, because she was 'bored' and missed her job, head of sCiEnCe in a state high school.

I cant fathom that on any level.

I went to school aged 5, fail to see the point why. I think 7 is probably about right, but thats only to a sane school, none of which exist in West today it seems, not State schools at least.
"Creche"! What country are you in? I haven't heard that word since I myself went to creche briefly in the mid-80's in South Africa. :)
 

Starlight

Kingfisher
Woman
Protestant
Extra help, education, etc.—probably.
But if that’s done correctly, “affirmative action” isn’t necessary.
The “extra help, education” experiment has been done for a few decades with very little avail. That is why “affirmative action” is a thing, because the “extra help and education” didn’t work.
 

Shedlight11

Sparrow
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
As a pre-school worker for many years, preschool is a way for moms to dump their children right into the hands of the government for indoctrination, while they put their careers before their families. I have watched children as young as 3 months old be dumped off at daycare for 12 hours of the day. The children who spent the most time in daycare always seemed to suffer the most. It is total neglect and child abuse.

The issues do lay at home. Parents NEED to teach their children. Children can be introduced concepts in school, however, if they are not taught at home, it doesn't matter much. Most parents are too tired after a long days work to teach their own kids or cannot be bothered because they are too busy scrolling through social media to comment on their wine mom culture forum.

I truly believe early education Is just a way to indoctrinate the youth and pollute their minds earlier and earlier. That is why the government is heavily involved in these free "pre-k for all" programs. There is a reason why it's free. Parents have also become lazy.

Not saying every parent is this way, but this seems to be the experience in my area.
 

Camellia

Sparrow
Woman
Catholic
For very young children, maybe.
But by late grade school, or certainly high school, it’s the rare parent who is equipped to teach all the various necessary subjects well. Homeschooling usually requires at least some materials prepared by professionals, and maybe consultation or homework help by remote. By the later grades or high school, this may mean signing up for what amounts to distance learning—almost like what the schools have been pushing for going on two years now. And that may be fine, if parents can pick a program that accords with their values.
But this notion that the typical couple—even between them—can themselves teach all subjects well, through high school?
Nope, nope, nope!
This is the case with all of the homeschool families I know. Unless the parents are qualified to teach complex subjects, most of the kids at that age do independent learning, which relies heavily on virtual instruction.
 

clzoomer

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
The concern about kids needing preschool is not that they will not be ready for kindergarten academically, but that they will not be properly socialized. If children are not playing with other children by the age of 4, they will not know how to act in kindergarten, and if they don't know how to act from a young age, they will seldom "grow into" healthy relationships with their peers.
If you're not sending them to preschool, it's a good idea to get your kids to hang out with some other children somewhere. In the park, at a playground, at someone else's house... as long as they are not attached to you for comfort, and you can "nudge" them into going out and playing with the others, even if they're scared. This is a pretty basic psychological principal.
Please do not interpret this as a criticism of your parenting style. I really don't know how well socialized your children are. I'm just saying that's the main reason people would have to send their kids to preschool.
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
The concern about kids needing preschool is not that they will not be ready for kindergarten academically, but that they will not be properly socialized. If children are not playing with other children by the age of 4, they will not know how to act in kindergarten, and if they don't know how to act from a young age, they will seldom "grow into" healthy relationships with their peers.
If you're not sending them to preschool, it's a good idea to get your kids to hang out with some other children somewhere. In the park, at a playground, at someone else's house... as long as they are not attached to you for comfort, and you can "nudge" them into going out and playing with the others, even if they're scared. This is a pretty basic psychological principal.
Please do not interpret this as a criticism of your parenting style. I really don't know how well socialized your children are. I'm just saying that's the main reason people would have to send their kids to preschool.
That didn't work in my case though. I was sent to preschool and a head start program but that didn't matter much because home life just wasn't very good so it affected how I was at school, academically and socially. I definitely had socialization issues for a long time and the friendships I had all throughout grade school were not really healthy ones for the most part. Later on in high school I met some good people that if I had met sooner I probably would have been good friends with them but by that point, really long before, the damage had been done to me. Everyone knew I had issues at that point; They either knew and accepted me anyway or they.. didn't. Sad thing is, I could have tried harder to make my grades and my social life better but I just didn't so a lot of it is on me too and I didn't really come to my senses (sort of) until I was practically an adult, like 17-18. At that point I knew how to act properly in a social setting but I still had a lot of mental development happen after that.
 

2 Right Hands

Woodpecker
Catholic
Yes, but no-one sane would confine their children to 4 walls and forbid them to meet other kids. In fact, homeschooling gives you more flexibility in that area because you can pick and choose with whom and where your children socialise unlike public school where you have almost zero control over this.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
I'm sorry you had to go through that. Please understand that your case is not the usual and for most children, they need to be socialized.
My son doesn't need to be around random children from the public who grew up listening to Cardi B and watching those MK-Ultra Youtube Elsa videos. I'll find other families from Church or our friends for him to play with.

I'm not a fan of him anymore, but I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux, a once very popular Youtuber/podcaster and philosopher. He only had one daughter due to fertility issues. They lived pretty far removed from society, and he homeschooled her. He had his daughter on his podcast a few times -these podcasts are easily found. At age 8 or 9, she was more articulate than I was at age 18. She sounded respectful, mature, and happy, but I guarantee other children her age would think she was weird and not "socialized" properly.

That's another reason to stay away from public schools. As I've shared elsewhere on the forum, children born during the "pandemic" are two standard deviations lower in their verbal IQ (worse for boys), so not only will they be consuming demonic media, something like 40-50% of them may be literal retards by preschool age. Even before that we've seen how dumbed down the curriculum has become with common core and diversity. My son won't learn the best with his age cohort and he would not advance academically or most importantly, spiritually, with random children from the public his age.
 

Luna Novem

Kingfisher
Woman
Catholic
The concern about kids needing preschool is not that they will not be ready for kindergarten academically, but that they will not be properly socialized. If children are not playing with other children by the age of 4, they will not know how to act in kindergarten, and if they don't know how to act from a young age, they will seldom "grow into" healthy relationships with their peers.
If you're not sending them to preschool, it's a good idea to get your kids to hang out with some other children somewhere. In the park, at a playground, at someone else's house... as long as they are not attached to you for comfort, and you can "nudge" them into going out and playing with the others, even if they're scared. This is a pretty basic psychological principal.
Please do not interpret this as a criticism of your parenting style. I really don't know how well socialized your children are. I'm just saying that's the main reason people would have to send their kids to preschool.
I agree that kiddos ought to have their little friendships. For me, I mostly accomplished this through church and playdates.
 

Luna Novem

Kingfisher
Woman
Catholic
For very young children, maybe.
But by late grade school, or certainly high school, it’s the rare parent who is equipped to teach all the various necessary subjects well. Homeschooling usually requires at least some materials prepared by professionals, and maybe consultation or homework help by remote. By the later grades or high school, this may mean signing up for what amounts to distance learning—almost like what the schools have been pushing for going on two years now. And that may be fine, if parents can pick a program that accords with their values.
But this notion that the typical couple—even between them—can themselves teach all subjects well, through high school?
Nope, nope, nope!
"Homeschooling usually requires at least some materials prepared by professionals"... I wholeheartedly agree. However, this is the exact definition of curriculum! If you utilize an excellent curriculum AND you are academically inclined yourself, you can certainly help your child into the higher ed years. There's no shame in using a tutor for one or two subjects that you are weaker in. But it definitely doesn't need to be distance learning.
 

clzoomer

Robin
Orthodox Catechumen
You don't want your kids to be "properly socialized" with society's lowest denominators. Not being socialized with this dog-ead-dog, prison-style society is the very point of homeschooling.
The preschoolers don't know what sex and drugs are. It's not like you're sending them off to college. Anything before middle school is probably safe.
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Yes, but no-one sane would confine their children to 4 walls and forbid them to meet other kids. In fact, homeschooling gives you more flexibility in that area because you can pick and choose with whom and where your children socialise unlike public school where you have almost zero control over this.
That's the thing too. I always seemed to end up around bad influences/fake friends or the bottom of the social ladder crowd. I never really was the best at picking friends, even into early adult life but in more recent times I've known which people to keep close and which people to be cool with but keep them at arms distance (and of course which ones to cut off completely).
 

messaggera

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Woman
Other Christian
Anything before middle school is probably safe.

California is an example that public schools are daycares, and the sex education curricula replace the Church and family’s right to educate moral standards regarding sexual intimacy:

Both of these pieces of education legislation mandate that school districts require sex ed and encourage students to question their parents on sexual topics – topics explored in the kindergarten through 12th grade sex education curricula implemented in California schools.


Unless the parents are qualified to teach complex subjects, most of the kids at that age do independent learning, which relies heavily on virtual instruction.

In our area a child of the age of ten can participate in internships at our local zoo during school days, and older ages at rural stables and greenhouses. Will we teach our child algebra , sure, but we are going to push for activities that make for a self sufficient individual.
But this notion that the typical couple—even between them—can themselves teach all subjects well, through high school?
Nope, nope, nope!

It is hard to refute this given some sahm are not equipped to homeschool for complex subjects, but depending on the child’s future there are other learning areas. Not all individuals go to college to make a successful living.

Again would a child be better at home than public? Perhaps, but some mothers do not care enough to put forth an effort, and that is why we have public schools raising our children.

If collected property tax was given to families instead of the schools would more families homeschool just to receive the extra income?
 
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