I Fucking Hate Friends

[Matsufubu]

Jennifer Aniston

I will probably get shit for saying this, but JA to me has always been the epitome of a plain Jane. I'd take the Pheobe chick over her any day of the week. Now I'm not saying she isn't hot, she is. Maybe it has something to do with the role she plays...for example her character in Office Space was insufferable.

I think Jennifer Aniston is somewhat better looking than average, but if I had to choose one of the chicks on Friends (when they were younger) she'd be my last choice. I just don't think she's that attractive. Courteney Cox is much prettier and Lisa Kudrow seems like she'd be more fun. I doubt I've seen more than one full episode of Friends so I don't know about their characters.

Since they're all unmarriageable sluts I'd fuck 'em all and let God sort them out

 

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For a second I thought you were said you hate having friends.

I was about to call you an aspie.

Good thing I read the thread..

 

[Chauncey]

I thought the show was somewhat entertaining and funny when it was on the air. Granted, I watched most of the entire series 10+ years ago on DVD with my girlfriend at the time who was a nympho so I wasn't really analyzing the alpha/beta/whore dynamics of the characters.

The last season we would all get together (maybe 10 or so guys and girls) and pregame Thursday nights watching Friends, barbecuing, pounding beers, taking shots. It was a great way to kick off the weekend for a bunch of college kids. Good memories.

I haven't been able to sit through 5 minutes of an episode now when I am flipping through the channels.

 

[Tytalus]

Interesting thread - I never watched the first few seasons in their entirety and caught episodes here and there. It wasn't until my last couple years in high school that I seriously started watching the show, and thought was just fucking hilarious.

The episode where Ross took over for Pheobe's massage parlor, and had no idea what to do. So he got out wooden spoons, tonka trucks "Vroom vrooming" on their backs... I was in tears, it was the funniest shit I ever saw at that age in my life.

What was very surprising to me, when the last season aired on TV, was that was the first year I was in university. I show up to the dorm lounge to watch the show. It's ALL GIRLS except me. I'm used to thinking this show was a sitcom, and they'd glare at me every time I laughed at a funny part for "wrecking the mood" bThose stupid twits were treating grade A comedy (to me) like it was a fucking soap opera. Just disgusting.

Edited to add: At my age, would have banged all of the chics until pregnant, repeatedly.

 

[EDantes]

After a thorough search of the forum, I couldn't find a thread detailing how shitty the TV show Friends is. I fucking hate this show. And I hate Ross the most. It turned an entire society into pussies. It indoctrinated men to be obsessive beta males who should grovel at a woman's feet for the slightest bit of attention. Even worse, it indoctrinated women into believing they are entitled to such groveling. As a result, it made dating the shitfest that it is today and turned entire generations in to self centered narcissists.

I saw this picture being passed around on Facebook, and thats what led me to create this thread. A breakdown on her fake smile and his pedestalizing body language is hardly necessary. Not to mention, shes clearly on an actual pedestal, because the guy that plays Ross is at least 6-8 inches taller than her.


VICE actually did a pretty decent write up on how this show sucks ass.

Besides Chandler and Ross, the other friends couldn’t have earned more than £10,000 a year between them. Joey was an out-of-work actor, Monica a part-time chef, Rachel a coffee shop barista/aspiring fashionista and Phoebe a part-time masseuse – which is 100 percent the least profitable career I can imagine. The fact that any of them had panoramic Manhattan skyline views with shabby chic furnishings and La-Z-Boy sofas is totally ridiculous.

Friends didn't paint its characters' sex lives in a very appealing light. Ross and Chandler were frustrated and unwilling semi-celibates, while Joey seemed to believe that game-playing was the only way of getting women into bed. On the other hand, Rachel, Monica and Phoebe’s relentless umming and ah-ing over the respective merits of this guy's 'ceps and that guy's chat-up lines seemed to compound that idea that dating was far from a natural process. Why so neurotic? Friends was the show that turned fucking into bureaucracy.

They tried to ride in on the coat tails of the successful Seinfeld, but with an opposing view on dating. Seinfeld's characters, including even Costanza to a degree, were fairly red pill and alpha. Friends characters consisted of wimpy beta males (Although Joey was OK... even though he demonstrated that the only way to be successful with women is by being a player. Relationships are nearly always miserable), while the women were condescending flakes, and deserve to be worshiped by any interested male just so said males can toss them in the friend zone and they can complain that there "aren't any good guys" out there.

The creators of Friends were wildly successful and contributed significantly to the changing of the male/female dynamic forever. How I Met Your Mother came in afterwards and cemented the notion.

Never watch Friends and glad I didn't.

Me I really don't think a TV show is responsible for the current decline in masculinity; I've written about it but I think it relates a lot more to the socioeconomy on the whole.

Shows like Friends are just a symptom of the problem, not to mention TV with similar premises like Everybody Loves Raymond, Malcom in the Middle, even the Simpsons, etc which feature bumbling dads paired with smart wives, or sissified man-children managing to marry hot women just by "being nice".

I definitely don't think Friends invented this trope though; even older obscure sitcoms like "The Munsters" contained this for example.

I definitely think in the 90s there was a huge surge in the trend of portraying men as "hypersenstive or incompetant losers" in TV though.

The same is true of the music scene; it's in the early 90s when the grunge movement and wussified alternative rock became mainstream as well.

 

[Beyond Borders]

God, I feel like such a pussy, but I have to admit I liked that show when I was younger.

For the record, I cannot stand it now.

 

[CaptainS]

Strange. On the show, Rachel (a broke, moronic, boring, sarcastic, pointless girl with great nipples) is pedestalized by everyone she dates - not just Ross.

While, in real life, Aniston (the highest paid TV actress at the time, on the cover of magazines, fit, adored by men and women alike) was frequently late to the set because Brad Pitt was giving her rough sex in her trailer and she was scared that he'd leave her if she didn't keep him satisfied. Turns out, she was right and is apparently alpha widowed to this day.

Shows that feminist fantasy is only mimicked in life if men are willing participants. And it seems that women actively seek out the men who aren't participants.

 

[EDantes]

God, I feel like such a pussy, but I have to admit I liked that show when I was younger.

For the record, I cannot stand it now.

Me neither, it's just perpetuating the fantasy that a guy can be a complete pussy with nothing going for him and magically wind up with a smoking hot chick once she just realizes how "nice" he is.

IRL the chances of a complete pussy like Ross dating Jennifer Aniston are about the same as that of an overweight feminist chick on Tumblr having Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise and Chris Hemsworth fighting each other over who gets to date her.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Me neither, it's just perpetuating the fantasy that a guy can be a complete pussy with nothing going for him and magically wind up with a smoking hot chick once she just realizes how "nice" he is.

Also the theme of King of Queens, Everyone Loves Raymond, Big Bang Theory, etc.....

 

[EDantes]

Me neither, it's just perpetuating the fantasy that a guy can be a complete pussy with nothing going for him and magically wind up with a smoking hot chick once she just realizes how "nice" he is.

Also the theme of King of Queens, Everyone Loves Raymond, Big Bang Theory, etc.....

True, and nearly every romantic comedy known to man.

 

[Hermetic Seal]

I never paid any attention to this show, but I was young in its heyday and it struck me as some sort of boring grown-up show for yuppies. I didn't realize just how awful it was until reading this thread.

 

[Suits]

Me neither, it's just perpetuating the fantasy that a guy can be a complete pussy with nothing going for him and magically wind up with a smoking hot chick once she just realizes how "nice" he is.

Also the theme of King of Queens, Everyone Loves Raymond, Big Bang Theory, etc.....

True, and nearly every romantic comedy known to man.

Actually, most romantic comedies are quite different. They feature both a desirable man and an attractive, but bitchy, career-driven and unlivable woman.

Initially, the two don't like each other at all. The man doesn't show any real interest in the woman and the woman is independent, independent and independent.

However, due to a series of events, they realize that they both desperately need each other, thereby perpetuating a number of myths.

(1) The right person is out there, waiting for you. You just have to find them.

(2) A woman's "independence" is something you'll learn to accept once you realize how special she is and how much you need her.

(3) A man with millions of sexual options will become impressed with and choose a cunt instead.

(4) Career women should hold out for a high value man who sees their true value and accepts their cuntiness in the end.

 

[CaptainS]

Not just romantic comedies - remember Superman II? The dude gave up being Super-fucking-man for that beat-out hag Margot Kidder. A woman who was only 31 when they were filming but looked in her mid 40s. And the character, instead of having any desirable traits for a potential mate, was independent, "intelligent", "strong" and a chain smoker (maybe that had something to do with her pre-aging).

Not a spoiler, but in Batman V Superman, Lois (played by a 41 year old Amy Adams at the time of shooting) floats the same idea to a decade younger Superman (Henry Cavill).

 

[RexImperator]

frequently late to the set because Brad Pitt was giving her rough sex in her trailer and she was scared that he'd leave her if she didn't keep him satisfied. Turns out, she was right and is apparently alpha widowed to this day.

I saw in the supermarket checkout aisle that she is finally adopting some kids thanks to her now barren womb.

That... is how you waste a decent vagina.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Amy Adams

Anytime, anywhere. For as long as my Viagra will last.

 

[Khan]

frequently late to the set because Brad Pitt was giving her rough sex in her trailer and she was scared that he'd leave her if she didn't keep him satisfied. Turns out, she was right and is apparently alpha widowed to this day.

I saw in the supermarket checkout aisle that she is finally adopting some kids thanks to her now barren womb.

That... is how you waste a decent vagina.

That's the life of many actresses and celebrities, even low-tier. They can't feel attraction for the average joe so they engage in relationships with high-status men, and then end up cheated and alpha-widowed.

Aniston would have had a much happier life if it weren't for her acting career.

 

[Eusebius]

I believe that the 90s was the decade that really broke the back of Western culture. It was the decade that created the modern pussified male, and it was shows like this that did it. It might seem hyperbole - each element of the conditioning, like Oprah, or Friends, seemed so innocuous, yet the cumulative effect was immense.

 

[EDantes]

Me neither, it's just perpetuating the fantasy that a guy can be a complete pussy with nothing going for him and magically wind up with a smoking hot chick once she just realizes how "nice" he is.

Also the theme of King of Queens, Everyone Loves Raymond, Big Bang Theory, etc.....

True, and nearly every romantic comedy known to man.

Actually, most romantic comedies are quite different. They feature both a desirable man and an attractive, but bitchy, career-driven and unlivable woman.

Initially, the two don't like each other at all. The man doesn't show any real interest in the woman and the woman is independent, independent and independent.

However, due to a series of events, they realize that they both desperately need each other, thereby perpetuating a number of myths.

(1) The right person is out there, waiting for you. You just have to find them.

(2) A woman's "independence" is something you'll learn to accept once you realize how special she is and how much you need her.

(3) A man with millions of sexual options will become impressed with and choose a cunt instead.

(4) Career women should hold out for a high value man who sees their true value and accepts their cuntiness in the end.

Yeah, I stand corrected on that.

Rom Coms seem like they're meant to cater to the opposite end of the spectrum, the bitchy, promiscuous, career driven women who think that one day they'll magically wind up happily ever after with a powerful male with plenty of options.

While sitcoms like Scrubs, Big Bang Theory, Friends, etc market themselves to the mild manner, milquetoast, momma's boys type of guy who thinks that he'll one day score a smoking hot babe once she realizes how "nice he is" deep down.

I dislike both genres because they create unrealistic expectations and encourage people to just "be whoever they want" instead of actually solve their own problems in life.

 

[eradicator]

I agree with you, but sitcoms in general cater to the lowest common denominator and are all horribly unfunny (including Seinfeld).

I completely agree. There's a reason why Roosh recommends this show as a teaching tool to learn how to talk to women.

That show is a good way to dumb ourselves down to their level. Women only really understand simplistic and downright boring humour.

I thought the goal of watching Seinfeld was to get into a relaxed shoot-the-shit mood, not to imitate its humor?

Yeah, I just want to be in a good mood when I go out on a date or out to game women, I'll watch a clip of a seinfeld episode and laugh a bit.

 

[C-Note]

Interestingly, the writers for Friends were sued for sexual harassment. Evidently, while they were working writing the show's episodes they made a lot of sexist jokes and comments, including saying that Courtney Cox had "twigs and sticks in her pussy" and that one of the writers "should have banged Anniston when he had the chance." They joked about making Joey a "serial rapist" and described in detail how they would write the story. The network agreed that they said those things, but the environment was necessary for "the writers' creative process." I believe the case was settled for undisclosed terms.

How does that jive with the atmosphere of the show?