I hate the corporate world, especially in IT

Peregrine

Pelican
Gold Member
roid said:
The problem is that you work for a bank. IT in banking is all about support and maintenance. Very rarely you will do exciting things. IT in most corporate are cost centers. To be in profit center, you need to work for tech companies like Google, Facebook, Path, etc. Of course in their core dev team, not in some support work. I wish you all the best.

This right here. I work at a bank. You know what cutting edge browser we're running?

IE8.

I still remember the day that I got local admin rights and installed Chrome.
 

xxMarco

Robin
I too like OP went from Call center geek to Engineer and it has been a struggle. Got out of college and worked my ass of for a bunch of certs. After working a few odd jobs and small businesses I decided to go for a job with a big corporation. Started from the bottom in the call center. At one point we got a female CIO who decided to outsource major parts of our IT department. After less than a year she was demoted for a big fuck up on a large project upgrade. We are still recovering from that big fuck up and even though our call center was eliminated and outsourced overseas, I was only laid off briefly as I transitioned to engineer.

Its been 3 years employed at this company and upper management is unbelievably incompetent. I have no idea how these people get management jobs without knowing anything about IT. The corporate politics are crazy as well. I spend 70% of my time doing paperwork about a change then actually doing the work.

Thinking about starting my own business or moving. Not sure how other cities are doing but my city isn't all that great to be in the IT field.

Put me on that PM list if its not too late
 

HawkWrites

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I'm a software engineer. I feel your pain, Kaii. There are some things we just can't control but we suck it up in order to better represent ourselves to our clients and staff. Sure, it can chip away at our self-worth but if your work-place is political it's pretty much what you have to do. I've come across a few of those situations in my own day-to-day activities and have simply refused to be political and have refused to say the phrases that my upper-management wants me to say (for example, I'm not really allowed to say "no" to a client even when I know the functionality of a system I haven't developed is at odds with what they want).

You just have to learn how to play the game, is all. Is it unethical? Sure, but lots of us are in that position. Is it immoral? Sure, but lots of us are in that position and we can all sympathize with you. Being IT isn't anything where you get a simple way out; if you can please a client, great. If you can't, you get shit on from all directions. "Shit rolls downhill" is true especially here.
 

bojangles

Crow
Gold Member
Yes I was in IT in 2 of the biggest financial institutions in the world.

I enjoyed it at first, interacting with pussy everywhere but it killed me slowly.

There are no promotions unless you lick ass hard - this shit is a career. The management are buffoons but they know are actually quite techie but need to dumb down for their management so it leads to a dumbing down dripping effect. However its corporate and so ass licking is required

I started off as a build engineer and asset management which then included hardware, I did helpdesk (windows XP support) then trading support and ended up in data centre management. Being before thrown back into asset management
My final role was basically being a blackberry tech. All that in 6 years
So I took a week off and did a project management course and handed in my notice.

I left work, had no job but had a professional qualification. Sure I lost a stable role and I needed monthly income but fuck it, I just did it and now I'm doing fine working for myself.

Take the risk, don't get stuck in IT.
 

TopPanda

Robin
Been a developer for 17 years now, and yeah, I'm still a developer. My attempt at climbing the career ladder was just sunk by poor timing really. But really if you're a programmer you can cut code all your life or go into management. Don't attempt to do both or you'll end up like my last boss who didn't delegate anything.

But if you're happy with just cutting code then you can have a good life. Just turn up to work, cut code, go home and don't get sucked into corporate politics. Also remember that IT is just a bullshit industry. Nothing I worked on 10 years ago (in some cases 1 year ago) still exists, so why get stressed over it?
 
I always assumed most skilled programmers would head to Silicon Valley. Corporate life in a big company sucks everywhere, it's an organizational thing. Most 'project managers' who studied business won't get up the ladder either, neither will the always expendable sales guy. I see the point about tech evolving though and that's why I think you need to be in a startup or make your own product. There are so many opportunities for a programmer who has some creativity.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
If I dropped out of software dev I would become a firefighter paramedic bartend on the side, or maybe a physical therapist complete 180 from desk and computers.

I have had far better than most in IT it seems so far.
 

game_ethic

Kingfisher
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are software engineers, and are you actually happy with your career?

I love programming and it runs in my family(my father and his father worked for IBM as software engineers) so it's only natural that I gravitate towards a field that's related to programming. I have a solid portfolio(did intern work for a small business as a software consultant last summer and I'm applying for an internship with Google currently) so getting a job after graduation shouldn't really be a problem.

Anyways, would appreciate some answers/info from guys who are software engineers or are in related fields.
 

Kaii

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Wow, great turnout in this thread! You guys are great. It actually helps to know you guys feel some of my pain! ;)

As TravelerKai suggested earlier in the thread, let's start a PM group or something.I am not sure how we can all be on the same list or how to head it up. But, I think it's a great idea. Let me see how to get it rolling. I am open to suggestions.

We could be the first RvF/red pill IT group (RPIT) :banana:
 

Onto

Ostrich
Gold Member
I too am an IT consultant, and the job pretty much sucks. Every once in a while you get a good gig, but there's always some negative.

For me, the worst is the racism I've endured from Indians. They come here and build a nation within a nation and discriminate against everyone that is on the same level as them or below them, while kissing ass and often outright lying to their superiors.

Infosys is finally, after 20+ years, starting to get sued for racism.

At first I couldn't understand why this was until I learned more about their culture and their caste system and the "untouchables". For Indian culture, it's completely natural and ok to discriminate against those that aren't the same as you.

I don't mean to start a race war here, and racist people can also have other good qualities as a person, but what I'm speaking is the truth, and if I get punished for speaking the truth then so be it, but at least this ugly politically incorrect truth that no American wants to see or acknowledge is now printed on this page.
 

Onto

Ostrich
Gold Member
game_ethic said:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are software engineers, and are you actually happy with your career?

I love programming and it runs in my family(my father and his father worked for IBM as software engineers) so it's only natural that I gravitate towards a field that's related to programming. I have a solid portfolio(did intern work for a small business as a software consultant last summer and I'm applying for an internship with Google currently) so getting a job after graduation shouldn't really be a problem.

Anyways, would appreciate some answers/info from guys who are software engineers or are in related fields.

I love programming, unfortunately there are a lot of politics, sexism, and racism that absolutely ruin it.
 

Cobra

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Onto said:
They come here and build a nation within a nation and discriminate against everyone that is on the same level as them or below them, while kissing ass and often outright lying to their superiors.

Infosys is finally, after 20+ years, starting to get sued for racism.

At first I couldn't understand why this was until I learned more about their culture and their caste system and the "untouchables". For Indian culture, it's completely natural and ok to discriminate against those that aren't the same as you.

I don't mean to start a race war here, and racist people can also have other good qualities as a person, but what I'm speaking is the truth, and if I get punished for speaking the truth then so be it, but at least this ugly politically incorrect truth that no American wants to see or acknowledge is now printed on this page.

This is definitely another kind of race trolling. Could you post some of your specific experiences? Maybe others here can get an idea of what to avoid. I may be getting into the business of recruiting for IT in the future so am very interested in this phenomenon as well since I have come across a lot of Indian IT guys "from" India within the Corporate offices I have worked in.

In Indian culture there is a much more defined concept of "class" where a Garbage man is already defined as one as he's born, rather than in the US where even a Garbage man can be high status as long as he makes up for it in other areas of his lifestyle and then has opportunities to do something else if he wants.

These guys carry this mindset over to the west. Once America invites them over, they get on a high horse. It not only fucks them over with local people and especially women (refer to: Indian race troll threads), but also ends up causing reverse discrimination against citizens of the very country that took them in. Then they wonder why people don't like them.

I get especially furious because being Indian I had to forcefully disassociate with these beliefs and fought very hard against them.
 

HawkWrites

Woodpecker
Gold Member
game_ethic said:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you are software engineers, and are you actually happy with your career?

I love programming and it runs in my family(my father and his father worked for IBM as software engineers) so it's only natural that I gravitate towards a field that's related to programming. I have a solid portfolio(did intern work for a small business as a software consultant last summer and I'm applying for an internship with Google currently) so getting a job after graduation shouldn't really be a problem.

Anyways, would appreciate some answers/info from guys who are software engineers or are in related fields.

I love what I do as an engineer (producing software that gets used has an amazing sense of accomplishment to it) but I hate all of the crap that surrounds it. Sometimes the politics and sacrificing your integrity aren't worth it and you have to move on to a new location.
 

Onto

Ostrich
Gold Member
Cobra,

I was raised in America by very, very liberal parents where we were taught that everyone is the same, regardless of their wealth, skin color, or where they were from. I welcomed Indians with open arms only to get stepped on, ignored, stabbed in the back, and even sneered at. Indian companies I've work through have twice tried to steal my last invoice. The owners of the first company, Technodyne, fled the US back to India on embezzlement and fraud charges.

And you're right, their racism towards me has created an anger towards them. I don't like feeling this way, and that's the terrible thing about the emotion racism creates…..it spreads very quickly.

But anything I say can't really be proved can it? It's just my word, so let's take the words of starchild5's post from the first page of this thread.

starchild5 said:
If you are an American....As one member said...You guys need to UNITE, JOIN FORCES as your own kind who are on top do not want you to exist as they have us now to replace you easily.

Join Forces...That's the way out of American Slavery aka Corporations...

Good luck

The truth comes out there doesn't it? This kind of "Own kind" thinking is very natural to their culture. One just needs to take the pill and be willing to see it, so do that and read his post again. He's actually being very forthright and open, but I don't think many Americans reading that post see what I see, just like they don't see the repulsive nature of American women either.

As American's we are taught not to be racist, but the perversion of that is anyone that's foreign or a minority cannot be accused of racism themselves.

Edit: My current "co-worker/boss", Dinesh, is actually a very nice guy. When we talk about life and regular mundane things we do bond and I can see the good in him and I do care about him as a person and I can see that he wants to care about me, but when it comes to business he is a different person and is very discriminatory against me and that creates a tense situation. I understand though that he can't help it. It's just his nature, but because of it I am quitting.

I strongly suggest, if at all possible, American's do not work for Indian's or Women because a lot of job dissatisfaction will occur from it. This has been my 16 years of experience in the software world, and I have worked in more than a dozen environments in that time. In fact, if I had to choose between the two, I would work for a woman because at least they can be easily manipulated whereas racism is much more difficult to overcome.

Cobra said:
I get especially furious because being Indian I had to forcefully disassociate with these beliefs and fought very hard against them.

This is interesting to hear. I often get a sense that Dinesh is struggling as well, though not winning. I think as more time goes on, generation after generation, then Indians will be more like yourself and renounce classism/racism/etc. For now though, it is what it is.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
Cobra said:
This is definitely another kind of race trolling. Could you post some of your specific experiences? Maybe others here can get an idea of what to avoid. I may be getting into the business of recruiting for IT in the future so am very interested in this phenomenon as well since I have come across a lot of Indian IT guys "from" India within the Corporate offices I have worked in.

In Indian culture there is a much more defined concept of "class" where a Garbage man is already defined as one as he's born, rather than in the US where even a Garbage man can be high status as long as he makes up for it in other areas of his lifestyle and then has opportunities to do something else if he wants.

These guys carry this mindset over to the west. Once America invites them over, they get on a high horse. It not only fucks them over with local people and especially women (refer to: Indian race troll threads), but also ends up causing reverse discrimination against citizens of the very country that took them in. Then they wonder why people don't like them.

I get especially furious because being Indian I had to forcefully disassociate with these beliefs and fought very hard against them.

In my grad school for computer science all the international Indian students banded together to trade exams, notes, projects etc... to copy off each other. They were 50% of the master's program roughly.

In a software engineering class we had a semester long project with 7-8 people a team. At the end everyone voted on the grades of the other teams' projects.

Ours was clear and away the best by far we worked weekends on it together for 8 hour stretches.

All the Indians in the class gave us C and D marks on it. A few of us went into the Chinese born professor and he said yeah ours was the best, those students were full of shit.

We all got A's from the professor, but it shows the mentality.

The normal cat in software I come across is very sincere, helpful, congratulatory, and collaborative.

Look at Open Source in general.

Indians in my experience that are new in the U.S. do not operate on this level with the ones I knew in grad school. The few ones that have interviewed me either generally or technically have been the most stringent and least likely to expand on explaining the problem they want solved.

The best and brightest development lead I have ever had (made a serious stack of cash at 27 and went to fuck around in Thailand for a year), said he will never work with Indians again after a year working with many. Too hard to work with, won't communicate, smell.

This is why I do not fear the competition or hordes.

Quality companies attract quality developers. (small to mid-size usually)

Code sweat shops or big cog corporations will squeeze you and attract lower talent much of the time.

A company with strong venture capital that is lean as fuck and offers good salary, stock option, and bonuses while treating their developers as their most important asset does not often go for HB1's not familiar with American culture in my experience although I am still new at the game relatively.

Basically if you can't beat out an HB1 for the quality dev jobs you need to seriously up your game. Software is endless there will always be needs for new tools and systems until we have a sentient OS that takes us all over and enslaves us.

If you can communicate well, understand American business culture, and can lead with a good portfolio you will have recruiters dialing you non-stop.
 
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