I hate the corporate world, especially in IT


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RockHard said:
Onto said:
americanInEurope said:
...the ability to make serious money, the only way to go about this is to freelance. Freelancing gives you the ability to travel, take as much time off as you want, work anywhere you want

Any idea what kind of skills are needed to get those gigs which allow 100% telecommuting?

Communications. Biggest challenge with telecommuting is being able to trust that people are getting things done. "Don't go dark" is the #1 rule. You have to make sure your boss knows what you're doing and that you're demonstrating progress, because nothing frustrates a manager more than having no idea what your staff is doing.

Onto said:
Most companies are not open to people working remotely, at least for what I do (Test Automaton).

I disagree here. The company I work for has their automation in India, and it works well because devs can get their stuff done during the day and then the Indians beat on it overnight, and the US guys wake up in the morning with a list of defects or things to look at. Totally depends on each company. I think it's more about the company's style.

Have a look at https://weworkremotely.com/, if you're into IT & telecommuting, that's an excellent starting point for your job hunt.

I hear what your saying. If they let people in India telecommute, why can't I? I think the answer is I won't work for $4/hr.

Also those guys in India are often part of a whole outsource project. Infosys may charge a US client $18/hr per person for the bulk rate and then pays the workers $4/hr.

I'm guessing at these numbers, but I may not be far off. This is my last week at work and then off to travel the word, so after a month or so of R&R I am going to really try and find a telecommuting gig that pays a minimum of $60k/year. That's the goal anyways.


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In many cases they obviously do but the biggest issue i've seen is still a communication barrier to an extent between offshore and a U.S. teams. If everyone from China, India and Pakistan had their first language as English there would a ton more people out of a job and I think the language barrier is still the leading cause amount of incompetency.

You're right that it's a communication issue, but the language barrier is only a part of the problem. It's the cultural divide that's the real killer.

We don't realize how much of smooth and effective communication is founded on shared values, beliefs, and ways of doing things.


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This is a great thread, thanks for keeping it alive. I know we talked about a PM list. However, in checking the CP, there isn't a way you can mass PM people at a time (mods let me know if there is a way).

In the sprit of keeping this alive (we have an awesome number of IT folks here), I am going to start a new thread.

In the new thread, we can all share our skills, location, avaiable for contact, etc (just an example). I think it will really people connect with other IT folks who share our philoshpy. Plus, I really love the idea of our community getting better jobs/income between each other :)

I'll update this thread again once the new one is created.

Thank you all!


Onto said:
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americanInEurope said:
Just to explain a little further, when I say freelance I don't mean those odesk or elance websites. I mean actually hitting the job boards, applying like you would normally, and when they ask you to sign your life away for a permanent role, tell them you strictly want CONTRACT. 1099, W2, corp-to-corp contracts. You can go as deep as you want with this, from W2 which gives you all the benefits of a normal employee but only short term, to 1099 which means you get ALL your money up front and it's up to you to sort out taxes and shit. Corp-to-Corp is a little different but similar to 1099.

That is interesting. Are there any disadvantages to doing that? For example, can you still take advantage of the company 401k match?. I'm just wondering why more people don't do that. Also, are most companies open to this idea?

Most companies are not open to people working remotely, at least for what I do (Test Automaton). You basically have to either develop an in-demand skill that will allow it to happen, or find a company that's having a hard time attracting top talent for less money, and then offer yourself as a telecommuter. Another avenue would be to get yourself into an onsite position where you are really needed and there is no backup, then tell them you have decided to travel but will be happy to telecommute. That's a toin-coss to what they will do.

AmericanInEurope's approach to going through all the steps of the interview process to getting an offer and then pulling out the surprise telecommuting demand is interesting. I would like to know if anyone has successfully done this also.

Could work if you've wowed them enough. Of course that's also dependent on you being local to come in for the onsite interview, unless you just pull it after the phone screen.

Actually I'm just talking about contracts. Working there, in the office, but only for 9-12 months. After your contract ends, you leave. You don't go permanent. You just leave and work a new contract somewhere else, or extend by another few months. Your choice. It makes your resume look sketchy, but I get a lot of work this way.

You can also work remote positions, but you're right, they pay less. Software engineers work remotely a lot. But it could be an option if you want to live in a cheap country like Hungary and still get a salary from back home. You'll just have to work US hours.


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Bumping this Thread because this news just sux:


By NEIL MUNRO - 10 Jul 2019

GOP legislators (140) voted for a bill drafted by business groups and Democrats which provides a green card giveaway to 300,000 Indian contract workers and dramatically increases the incentives for more Indian graduates to take college graduate jobs in the United States.
The 365- to-65 vote means the bill moves to the Senate, where GOP Senators are pushing a matching giveaway bill which is backed by Democrat Senator and presidential hopeful, Sen. Kamala Harris. Only 57 of 197 GOP legislators — and only eight Democrats — present voted against the giveaway.

The GOP’s House leader, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, voted for the giveaway to Indian outsourcing workers.

The bill also helps U.S. real-estate investors by extending the green-card giveaway to the Chinese leaders who use the EB-5 program to buy green cards for their families.

The Senate’s version of the bill was halted in late June when Sen. Rand Paul blocked a “unanimous consent” maneuver by GOP Utah Sen. Mike Lee. But Paul may switch his vote, allowing Lee to repeat his “unanimous consent” maneuver. Lee is backed by South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who chairs the Senate’s judiciary committee.

Business groups touted the win before the vote. Via Twitter, Andrew Moriarty, deputy director of federal policy at Mark Zuckerberg’s FWD.us advocacy group compared the HR.1044 “country caps” bill to the Democrats’ DACA-amnesty bill:

This is a very important bipartisan effort that we strongly support… If this passes, it will join the Dream and Promise Act as two pieces of commonsense but CRUCIAL immigration legislation passed by the House this year, waiting only for a vote in the Senate.

The Department of Homeland Security finally announced its opposition to the Senate’s version — S.386 — of the legislation, shortly before the House voted for the giveaway to Indian contract-workers and their U.S. employers:

The Department of Homeland Security does not support S. 386. The bill would do nothing to move the current employer-sponsored system toward a more merit-based system. The adverse effect on immigrant visa wait times for nationals of countries currently with lesser demand would be an obstacle to any potential plan to promote or increase immigration from countries who immigrants present reduced risk, such as Visa Waiver Program countries, or any other class of countries which the Administration may desire to provide preferential treatment (e.g., countries with which the U.S. has negotiated favorable trade deals).

The statement was signed by Joseph Joh, Assistant Director and Senior Adviser for the Office of Legislative Affairs at DHS.

Joh’s letter may become irrelevant if business lobbies persuade top White House aides and President Donald Trump to accept the green-card bill as a variety of “merit-based immigration.”

White House officials may also argue the bill has nothing to do with immigration and amnesties, but only deals with visa workers who are supposedly needed by high-tech companies. In practice, there is no shortage of high tech workers– only a shortage of CEOs and investors willing to spend the money needed to hire some of the many American professionals employed at other companies.

Click on the link to read the full extent of this anti-American Tech Worker treachery...


Mig Picante

IT in a corporate setting sucks, it is given no respect. As others have posted, it's a cost centre in a business context and so will always be under pressure. All the resources and attention a business are allocated to revenue and profit making opportunities. You're always expected to do more with less. Capital will flow to licences and hardware upgrades rather than staff and you will just need to learn it without help.

IT is largely process driven, it changes quickly and you're meant to know everything, while others in the business remain ignorant.

From a former IT guy that did a business degree and got out.