I Wish I Remained A Virgin

Blade Runner

Kingfisher
Yes, that is a trap that young christian men or secular for that matter, will find themselves in quickly if they do not marry young. What's left in the marriage pool are other mens leftovers, which to me is a slap in the face to a man.
This is getting at the angle of my responses, originally. If you don't have a calling to be a monk (perhaps we don't know any real calling until we do it or are on the precipice of it) and withdraw in that honorable way, the alternative is a major challenge as you age. I've had plenty of interactions with women, family members and friends/friends of friends that show me - at the very least - how little consideration there is for men and what is attractive to them, or worthy of committing to. When you work hard and have a lot going for you, it is very tough to deal with the fact that women (by their nature) are a lot of work and it's a challenge to land 6s or better in the west. There is unbelievable unawareness of just how little modern women bring to the table.
 

Geremia

Sparrow
God is powerful enough to restore virginity, as St. Thomas Aquinas writes in Quodlibet 5 q. 2 a. 1:
Article 1
We turn, then, to the first question. It seems that God could restore a virgin:

God’s omnipotence means that with God no word will be impossible, as Luke 1 says.² But this is a word: restoring a virgin after a fall. Therefore, God can restore a virgin after a fall.

But to the contrary: Jerome says: Although God can do other things, God cannot restore a virgin after falling.³ It says the same thing in the Decretum, d. XXXII, q.5.⁴

Answer: There are two things to consider about virginity. One is the integrity of mind and body. In that respect, God can restore a virgin after falling. For God can renew the mind by grace and repair the body by a miracle. The other thing to consider is the reason for that integrity, viz. the fact that a virgin woman has not been known by a man. In that respect, God cannot restore a virgin after falling. For God cannot make a woman that has already been known by a man not to have been known by a man. This point applies to anything that has happened: God cannot make what has happened not to have happened. For God’s power extends to all that exists. Hence, the only thing beyond God’s power is a thing incompatible with the nature of an existent. Yet being and not being such and such at the same time is just such a thing, and is the same sort of idea as what has been such and such not having been such and such. Hence in book XXVI of Against Faustus, Augustine says: Saying, if God is omnipotent, let God make what has happened not to have happened, really amounts to saying . . . let God make things that are true, precisely insofar as they are true, actually false.⁵

So, to the first objection: Since a word is something conceived of by the mind, nothing that implies a contradiction can be called a word, since the mind never conceives of such a thing, as proved in book IV of the Metaphysics.⁶

2 Luke 1:37.
3 Jerome, Letter 22, 5.
4 Cf. Decretum II, C. xxxii, q.5, c. 11.
5 Augustine, Against Faustus XXVI, 5.
6 Cf. Aristotle, Metaphysics IV, 3 (1005b23–26).
St. Thomas also answers the seemingly "off-the-wall" questions
  • Is truth stronger than wine, kings, and women?
  • Can a man naturally or miraculously be a virgin and a father at the same time?
 

Aboulia

Robin
You're more describing Mormonism or Islam, which needs a community and social control to maintain the rules. As Christians we don't require that, and don't need to swim with the culture. Where the culture goes is irrelevant if our faith is strong. You have the Gospel, now follow it with God's help, one day at a time. If you need the culture or your own willpower to succeed, you will certainly fail.
You of all people should understand the malleability of women. Culture is a like minded community of socially acceptable behaviors. We don't require a perfect chaste society, but we at least need the groundwork to follow, the myriad of behaviours labeled as "Christian" with people projecting their own sins in their scripture interpretation is a real problem. Something to consider; if community is unnecessary, why partake in communion?

In a way, you're correct that Bladerunner's post is black pilled to an extent that it looks at the average, and looking at the average person is always, in every society according to the standards of the day, a bleak thing to do, since most people are docile sheep. It was heroic saintly men who led their nation to Christ, and if we don't set Christ as our behavioural standard now. Western society will crumble into dust as Babylon did, it is a testament to God's longsuffering and great mercy that he hasn't done so yet. But he will if we do not repent.

" . . . if i were a virgin, and maintained that virginity to honor God, I would be hesitant to marry a woman who is also not a virgin, but since I have sinned against God and violated my body innumerable times, I have little basis to seek a virgin, and instead seek a repentant woman whose previous sins I must forgive in the same way she forgives mine. "

Roosh:

That statement raises alot of questions I have wrestled with on an instinctive level my entire adult life and on a scriptural basis for at least a decade. I have come to my own conclusions through intense study of the scriptures and the observation in my own life, the perspective of which is that of a mid-forties divorced man with children who's only goal apart from entering the Kingdom is ensuring my children do not follow in my sinful foosteps. That said, I would like to know your scriptural basis for a man taking a non-virgin to wife?
I would like to know your scriptural basis for not forgiving the sins of others. Unless it is, that you have not sinned, nor desire forgiveness.
 

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
The orgasm is the most addictive drug of all to men; it is designed to be that, so that we procreate and desire to procreate. This is why masturbation and casual sex are dangerous, because they give us the drug outside of the strictures that keep us from being drug addicts. If we only orgasmed with our wives in the context of trying for children, we would not be drug addicts or abusers.

The metaphor I see is: those who are taught only to drink with meals, and only enough to be a digestive, do not become alcoholics. But those who drink outside of such structures become drunkards and addicts and do many a foolish thing as a result.
 
Thanks for this roosh.

I've always stayed away from alcohol and drugs, but lust has been one of my biggest struggles. I too lost my virginity seeking to fill a "void". I regret all of the hookups I had. What's worse though is that i followed the path of lust to pornography.

I can honestly say there is no habit more insidious to man's soul than pornography. An addiction to passivity, novelty, and external pleasure. I can't tell you how many times I have said "I am quitting forever...that's the last time." Only to use within the same week or even the next day.

I wrote a prayer the other day in an attempt to build a habit against porn.

"Dear God,

I ask for strength in this moment of lust.

Your will is my guiding light.

Please break my chains lord.

For you are my God, and I will never cease to fight.

You are my father...I trust you'll pull me through.

Lust only brings me darkness and further away from you.

Lust be gone."

Amen.
 
I wouldn't say I regret the path I took, since there is no other path by which I could have come to God. I was raised in an atheist home, in a mostly Jewish community, and never had a meaningful religious interaction with a Christian until my late 20s. Nobody forced me to make the choices I made, and in fact most people around me were encouraging me not to make them. I take responsibility for my actions, which I made knowing full-well that other people were trying to warn me against them. But the truth is that there was simply no other way for me to find Christ - or rather, for Christ to find me - than for Him, in His wisdom, to allow me to dive headfirst into the darkness until I realized it wasn't the path to lasting joy and peace. It wasn't until I had gotten myself into a completely un-winnable situation that I turned to Him for help - and His response changed my life, forever.

Did that path have negative consequences that still affect me, and will likely continue to affect me for the rest of my earthly life? Yes, without question. I somehow managed to never get an STD, but the effect certain experiences had on my psyche - not to mention my ability to trust women - had an impact that is probably even more severe than a physical disease would have been. But I made the choices I made and must live with the consequences, as we all must. All I can do from here is do my best not to mess up again, now that I even know what it means to mess up in the first place, and to repent and ask forgiveness if I do end up falling.

It does sting sometimes when I see the joy and love in the eyes of married Christian couples who have only ever been with each other, knowing that my choices deprived me of that experience. But regret does not change the past, so I don't dwell in it often.
 

Blade Runner

Kingfisher
It's a generational thing as we have said, and it is a different calling, I've found. As Michael states, God can work through and with anything, including our sins, to turn things around. I find it a check on the good things and convenience I've talked about in past posts here, in our modern lives, to actually cause a bit of suffering - it can bother you a lot because you realize that something that should be very natural and easy was made hard - yes by the culture and surroundings. A lot of people have more challenges in this sense than one can be aware of, so I've learned to not think that everyone has as easy of a time in life than one things from the outside/appearance. I think one of the things that has been made clearer than ever in the last couple of years is how seriously one should take women in general. The cycles of life show you quite clearly - "not at all" - because so much is out of your control. If you do happen to be lucky enough to pair with someone, though, do it with integrity.
 

Waverer

Robin
Yes, that is a trap that young christian men or secular for that matter, will find themselves in quickly if they do not marry young. What's left in the marriage pool are other mens leftovers, which to me is a slap in the face to a man. Its a breeding ground in my experience for resentment, discontent and eventual divorce.
Yeah, I think it will be hard enough to love a woman the same way if you know she gave away something you had to work so hard to earn. But so much harder if you're a virgin yourself and you can't say "Well, we both had our days of sowing our oats but now we're in a different stage of life".
 

Waverer

Robin
Originally posted on RooshV.com

If you are a virgin, rejoice, for you are closer to God than you realize. Seek Him out to help you with matters of lust, and be assured that your position in the Kingdom of Heaven will be elevated far higher than all the lost souls who think they will somehow be saved by allowing sex to dominate their lives.

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Do you think your skill at game will help you find a nice Christian wife, other disadvantages notwithstanding? Never mind - your post on RooshV.com today answers this question just fine.
 
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You of all people should understand the malleability of women. Culture is a like minded community of socially acceptable behaviors. We don't require a perfect chaste society, but we at least need the groundwork to follow, the myriad of behaviours labeled as "Christian" with people projecting their own sins in their scripture interpretation is a real problem. Something to consider; if community is unnecessary, why partake in communion?

In a way, you're correct that Bladerunner's post is black pilled to an extent that it looks at the average, and looking at the average person is always, in every society according to the standards of the day, a bleak thing to do, since most people are docile sheep. It was heroic saintly men who led their nation to Christ, and if we don't set Christ as our behavioural standard now. Western society will crumble into dust as Babylon did, it is a testament to God's longsuffering and great mercy that he hasn't done so yet. But he will if we do not repent.



I would like to know your scriptural basis for not forgiving the sins of others. Unless it is, that you have not sinned, nor desire forgiveness.
I know of none, I read the scriptures to be quite clear that we are to forgive those who trespass against us. I also know of no scripture that suggests forgiveness obviates the consequences of sin in this life. Moreover, if a man finds himself in the dilemma of taking a non-virgin to wife, there is no trespass againsgt him which he can forgive. The woman choosing to play the harlot in her fathers house must seek forgiveness from the Lord as it is his law that she has transgressed. Sin has consequences.
 

placer

Kingfisher
This message from Roosh is the most spiritual and inspiring thing I have read this year. I am very pleased to see this fastastic testimony of the message in Romans 12:2 (“Do not conform to the pattern of this world”) that we, in following God, no longer seek the things this world teaches us to follow: Meaningless sex, meaningless food, meaningless entertainment, meaningless life. These things do not come from God, but I am convinced that the transformation Roosh has gone through does come from God.
 
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