Iceland Outlaws Male Genital Mutilation

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Excellent point. I may add that since abortion is legal and killing a baby inside or outside the womb is pretty much equivalent, it should be legal to kill babies once they are born (particularly if they are boys)

http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/03/01/medethics-2011-100411.short

Science is way ahead of you - bio-ethics is great, isn't it?

Law, ethics and medicine
Paper
After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

This is not the only paper published on the topic. Some argue that parents should have the right to kill their children up to age 3.

 

[Suits]

Excellent point. I may add that since abortion is legal and killing a baby inside or outside the womb is pretty much equivalent, it should be legal to kill babies once they are born (particularly if they are boys)

I'm personally against 1st, 2nd and 3rd trimester abortion, but approve of 4th through 51st trimester abortion.

Her body, her choice.

 

[TigerMandingo]

Circumcision does significantly reduce the risk of catching STDs. You would think on a forum full of players it would have more support

 

[Suits]

Circumcision does significantly reduce the risk of catching STDs. You would think on a forum full of players it would have more support

That's fine.

You can consent to getting a strip of flesh torn off of you when you're old enough to make the decision for yourself.

 

[Enoch]

Stefan Molyneux has done some good segments on this.

I could never bring myself to bring such pain to an innocent human being.

Yet another Semitic gift to Europeans that keeps on giving.

 

[Dragan]

I heard from a Korean buddy that it's big there. Apparently because of American occupation/cultural presence in Korea, or something like that.

 

[nomadbrah]

There's a reason both muslims and jews fight so hard for this, even if they don't articulate it.

I believe it has to do with the cult behavior of both religions. The worst is the islamic practice because it takes place when the boy is like 8 years old or so. That is an intense trauma for a young child.

Imagine that your parents or someone you trust, lure you somewhere and then other males in your family will hold you down, while you scream and shout. Some stranger then cuts your foreskin. This is actually how it happens often in Islam. An immense emotional trauma and feelings of betrayal.

I believe this creates cognitive dissonance which is resolved through a Stockholm syndrome. The anger towards the parents, which is not possible because they are your caretakers, is directed outwards, towards the non-muslims, who "forced" this on you, because they are impure. This creates a powerful emotional bond, where you have to embrace islam, because the alternative would be to hate your parents.

 

[Dragan]

I am not of fan of circumcision, and some feminist teachers (I think rightly) pointed out that the opposite, FGM, is not tolerated here in the West.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

There's a reason both muslims and jews fight so hard for this, even if they don't articulate it.

I believe it has to do with the cult behavior of both religions. The worst is the islamic practice because it takes place when the boy is like 8 years old or so. That is an intense trauma for a young child.

Imagine that your parents or someone you trust, lure you somewhere and then other males in your family will hold you down, while you scream and shout. Some stranger then cuts your foreskin. This is actually how it happens often in Islam. An immense emotional trauma and feelings of betrayal.

I believe this creates cognitive dissonance which is resolved through a Stockholm syndrome. The anger towards the parents, which is not possible because they are your caretakers, is directed outwards, towards the non-muslims, who "forced" this on you, because they are impure. This creates a powerful emotional bond, where you have to embrace islam, because the alternative would be to hate your parents.

I agree that this is the worst system. The Jewish custom of doing it very early on creates some physical trauma, but most psychologists including Stefan Molyneux highly overestimate the meaning of experiences in the early 1-2 years. There are psychologists who state that every tiny miniature difference in experience, in micro-aggression or loud noise create huge ramifications in later personality development. I once believed it myself as a young idiot who read Freud at age 17. Then I met plenty of people who had great physical pain in their toddler years through diseases - cried constantly as kids. They turned out absolutely fine. Most long-term trauma is rather connected with such experiences above or sexual abuse while being already very aware of things.

And no -every country in the world can ban circumcision since it's an unnecessary practice. But I would punish it differently than FGM. There should be a fine for normal early-stage circumcision, but prison sentences for Islamic ones done at age 8, and certainly severe punishments for ones done by Muslims. And maybe that is what the lawmakers intended to do. Since they did have some Muslims recently, it was easier to ban the entire practice than to differentiate based on religion and direct practice.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

All laws regarding such things are irrelevant if there exists no spine to prosecute the offenders. Female genital mutilation in its typical form is far more atrocious and yet barely a fraction of the known cases in the west actually see a prosecutor's desk.

Late stage mutilation is worse in this regard because it invariably happens outside of a hospital setting while banning circumcision in early life makes it far harder to skirt the authorities in that regard.

But again, if nobody has the balls to prosecute then it's all irrelevant.

 

[Dragan]

Did anyone hear about the FGM stuff in Michigan recently? They were bringing girls to a clinic when it was closed, and it was a female muslim doctor doing it... Apparently it was a Muslim sect. I do believe they took her to court, and it was like the first time someone in the US had been taken to court for it (although sadly FGM is more common in the US, and the UK for that matter than people are aware of publicly.) About 500,000 in the US, although this figure may be low: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/1...nd-ahead-female-genital-mutilation-trial.html

 

[Teedub]

I'm a rarity in Europe as a circumcised man, HOWEVER, it was done in adulthood for medical reasons. It's definitely cleaner and what not, but there's no question it reduces sensitivity fairly significantly, I feel sorry for American/Muslim/Jewish guys who were never given a choice. I imagine the sensitivity gets less and less with age, so if you have it done at birth, well...you're missing out on something nature/God put there on purpose.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

My dick looks naturally as if it is circumcised, so that some girls have even asked me whether I was.

There seem to have been some benefits to it, though most of them a long time ago when sanitary conditions were much much lower. In our times there are no significant benefits to it, though probably for some men there are.

 

[RatInTheWoods]

#AllCulturesAreEqual

These noble savages lived in peace and harmony before the imperial white invasion brought an end to their rich heritage and ritual culture....

 

[Hannibal]

Circumcision does significantly reduce the risk of catching STDs. You would think on a forum full of players it would have more support

It also significantly reduces the risk of pleasure. You would think a forum full of players wouldn't support it.

 

[spokepoker]

How does it reduce the risk of STDs?

 

[polar]

^ there is some evidence that being circumcised reduces the risk of catching something including HIV, roughly because STD's generally like wet places.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ed-diseases-half-changes-bacteria-levels.html

 

[RatInTheWoods]

I had a troll account on a feminazi forum banned over this.

I really got the hamster wheel spinning for all the "advocates for male genital mutilation" when I found a thread where all these yanks chicks prefer jojack dick to milk bottle top.

A few of them might have needed counseling afterwards, but they eventually got on to me and banned me.

 

[spokepoker]

Was it funny? Got a link to it?

 

[blck]

I'll support it if it permit to stop things like this:

The Hollywood EGF Facial — a $650 treatment — involves a cleanse, chemical peel, microneedling, an “electrifying” face mask and a so-called “Epidermal Growth Factor (EGF)” — a serum that happens to be derived from the foreskin of Korean newborns. The substance supposedly helps generate collagen and elastin in the skin.

Following links you get lost and you can't recall all the quotes from previous articles until you stumble upon the site of the woman providing the "facials" :

THE Hollywood EGF FACIAL

Please call or email for more information and pricing.

Celebrity facialist, Georgia Louise has a secret facial - and Cate Blanchett just leaked it.

Cate Blanchett told Vogue Australia: “Sandy Bullock and I saw this facialist in New York, Georgia Louise, and she gives what we call the penis facial and it’s something – I don’t know what it is, or whether it’s just cause it smells a bit like sperm – there’s some enzyme in it so Sandy refers to it as the penis facial."The facial Cate Blanchett is referring to is Georgia Louise’s ‘Hollywood EGF Facial’ which until now has – somewhat understandably – been an ‘under the radar’ treatment you had to be in the know and on Georgia’s A-list to get … until now.

The facial includes a cleanse, followed by an intensive TCA peel, micro-needling machine and an electrifying mask to calm the skin, followed by her ‘secret box’ of EGF serum (Epidermal Growth Factor). EGF is derived from the progenitor cells of the human fibroblast taken from Korean newborn baby foreskin – which helps to generate collagen and elastin. FDA approved stem cells and peptides are penetrated deep into the skin using a special electric micro- needling wand. This process allows the active ingredients to be transported deep in the skin by creating temporary micro- channel[/i].

I was aware of people eating placenta but this is a new low.