If imposing a culture is bad than imposing another culture is bad too

Towgunner

Kingfisher
I'm outspoken to my opposition against the cultural forced accession of homosexuality. And, yes, in general terms I am also outspoken against the practice, but, I don't think they need to be stripped of rights, ahem real rights. Culturally, this is not the sort of behavior we should be condoning.

I look at it like this. So, homosexuals have basically bitched, complained, screeched, screamed, squealed, cried and have made an altogether spectacle of themselves under this banner of rights and "equality". What do they really want?

homosexuals contend that they feel normal culture imposes its values on them.

And this imposition is their justification for their demands and all their antics. It is, therefore, a grave injustice to them that a culture/value system is imposed onto them that they would not willing choose. Therefore in absolute terms it must be true for all people that imposing a culture and values onto an unwilling person is not a good thing, yes?

Isn't that exactly what the homosexuals are doing?

And not only that, they're version of this imposition is a lot more authoritarian than what happened before.

I do not recall any corporate policy in the existence of American history that said if you do not believe in Jesus is grounds for being dismissed from employment. Shunned maybe. But, I do know that if someone were to speak out against affirming homosexuality in the workplace, that employee would be terminated swiftly.

I do know that if you don't bake certain cakes you will be sued.

We can sit here and talk about double standards all day, which we do. We can even gnash our teeth, which, at least in this forum, we should as a way to express our angst (just don't act on it). But, we have to take a step back and look at this and ponder it to see the truth of the matter.

This is no simple contradiction, if there is any such thing. This is no simple double standard. Such a condition invalidates every aspect of the homosexual "movement" aside from one, which is establishing equality under law. And that is something I have never had an issue with.

Ostensibly the homosexual will say that it's culture and values are better because they're "inclusive" of all people. Here again, this is categorically not true. Basically any person that does not enthusiastically agree with them in all ways is excluded. And regardless of what you hear, there are a shit load of those people!

Moreover, as we're seeing there are aspects of homosexual "culture" that I don't think any red blooded member of the human race can accept, such as cross dressing children, pedophilia, pederasty etc. But, time and time and time and time again we see that this is not just a recent aberration, but rather a demonstrably fundamental and re-occurring feature of their culture.

If we're to base major societal changes and policies off of the idea that imposing a specific culture and values is not good, than the very same fucking thing applies right back to homosexuals.

It goes deeper. I've long since maintained that the issue with the gays is that they're just not compatible with society. It speaks to the fundamental issue of trying to implement a democratic system among a widely diverse population that is increasingly not only unlike each other, but, hostile. A homogeneous society is therefore preferable, especially when it comes to optimizing personal freedom and sustain a functional democracy and representative government.

Including homosexual propaganda in schools, for instance, only serves the interests of homosexuals. Never mind the sycophants at present, for the regular knowing or unknowing, heterosexual such things run contrary to their interests. If there is suppose to be a representative system, than, why are the interest of only one group being honored while the others is not?

Such are the things we'll see more and more as the society becomes heterogeneous.

What I'm mulling over is that society cannot be all things to all people. homosexuals represent a small minority of people. They've insisted on certain changes fundamental to our society but hasn't that only made them into the very thing and people they say their against?

I don't have the answer here. But, I want to underscore this aspect of their movement. Something in me sees this as terminal flaw. Time will tell.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
Homosexuals and transsexuals are the latest props used by the oligarchs to tear down and subvert the traditional moral order.

That aside, your post here comes back to the Myth of Neutrality. People tell us we should all just agree to live in a decadent, secular, globalist society. That's "neutrality." But it isn't neutral. Their finger is on the scale. Someone's moral order, someone's sense of right and wrong, will reign. They just don't want you to notice that it's theirs.

A generation ago, this was a lie you heard all the time from liberals: "You can't legislate morality." But of course, every law assumes morality-- that certain things are right and should be encouraged, that others are wrong and should be banned. (And who says you can't legislate morality anyway? That statement itself has a moral underpinning.)

I used to get frustrated with people pushing this type of foolishness. Do they really not see the contradiction?

Some who say this stuff don't see it, but I've gotten more cynical over the years and now think the movers and shakers of various movements use stuff like this as a prop because it works. Facts and logic bounce off these people like a pebble hitting a mannequin's head. "Free speech," "love is love," "hate speech," black victimization, "you can't legislate morality," anti-Semitic, etc... These are all terms and concepts used because they work.

Even people who should know better adopt the terminology and morality of modern globohomo without knowing it. "I'm not homophobic, but..." "There's nothing wrong with being gay, but..." "I'm all for people doing what they want in the privacy of their bedroom, but..."
 

Bird

Pelican
Catholic
Athanasius said:
Even people who should know better adopt the terminology and morality of modern globohomo without knowing it.

Yeah I see this in the German free media too, they include to use that stupid male/female term,
like "Bürgerinnen und Bürger" which means "female and male citizens", but the term "citizen" does not distinguish weather it's female or male. What a crap!

But you can get rid of it with that lovely firefox addon.
This add-on likely is only useful for users who speak German or visit German language websites - it will remove so called "Binnen-Is" on webpages.
 

Geomann180

Ostrich
Catholic
Gold Member
Sooner or later, you find out there was never a middle ground. You just had a choice and a set amount of time to make it. And if you ever fail to choose, your side was chosen for you.

The only thing that really changed your mind was how long it took for the logical conclusion of that side affected you enough to change your mind or cement it.

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Rob Banks

Pelican
"Imposing a culture" (i.e. having a society where it is expected that you follow certain social norms, provided that those norms are healthy and in line with God) is not bad. In fact, it is very, very good.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
Rob Banks said:
"Imposing a culture" (i.e. having a society where it is expected that you follow certain social norms, provided that those norms are healthy and in line with God) is not bad. In fact, it is very, very good.

Every society is has a culture. If it isn't yours it will be that of someone else. For several generations we've seen the retreat of a more Christian culture and its replacement by globohomo. People have bought the lie that there's an equilibrium state where "you do your thing and I'll do mine." I'm with Doug Wilson in that the period we went through a generation or two ago was one where there was still a majority, but weakening, Christian understanding, and that provided the counterbalance to the growing degeneracy that allowed the teeter totter to stay shakily steady. If it hasn't become clear by now in this age of deplatformings and corporate globohomo enforcement, that center isn't holding. "Free speech" is a myth in clown world and globohomo is enforcing its blasphemy laws. (I recognize that open borders is part of the problem, but it's not all of it.)

In the 70s and 80s, you heard often about the preciousness of free speech from porn defenders like Alan Dershowitz. The 1st amendment was sacrosanct and the pornographer was the edge of the spear. Fast forward to today where we have a country awash in porn. We went from one a mere generation ago where the lowly homosexual just wanted his rights to one where most corporations and entertainment industries have been corrupted by SJWs, one where we have the utter absurdity and inversion that has been well-chronicled in the Clown World thread. The degenerates used deceptive feints about free speech and "to each his own" and used it in bad faith to subvert society.

When you abandon the field, the culture, someone else takes it.
 
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