I'm tired of all the "9-11 Never Forget" crap

[TigerMandingo]

Man, the worst thing to come out of 9/11 is the annoying Truth movement.

Chomsky shuts down one of these clowns (starts at about 0:52):



"people spend an hour on the internet and think they understand physics. That's not how it works"

 

[wi30]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?


I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

 

[sdsb247]

I can't stand "see something say something" it's way overused.

 

[Fortis]

So, let me get this straight: it's bad to mourn over something that happened a little more than 10 years ago? I understand that this a "controversial" website but that isn't an excuse to be a prick. People died. It was fucking awful. Let's not dwell on it, but I think a bit of grief once in a while is healthy. We aren't soulless automatons who spend 100% of our time fucking bitches, making money and plotting our "escape" from the matrix. Give me a fucking break.

 

[Krivo]

Remember right after it happened how patriotic everyone was? I could've sworn I saw "God Bless the USA" on every fast food, gas station, bill board, whatever for a solid 2 years.

In similar fashion, Fox Sports baseball broadcasts replaced "Take Me Out To the Ballgame" with "God Bless America", a change that continues to this day.

 

[cascadecombo]

Ya know, when I see something that bothers me or I don't like I push the hide button or just ignore it. The last thing I would do is draw more attention to it.

Which leads a guy to believe you simply want attention and to find others to bitch about this with.

I was in middle school during this. I saw the second plane hit the tower. Even then i had a sinkng feeling from seeing my teachers reaction and knowing shit was real. The idea of an attack from across the world was unfathomable at that time.

 

[wi30]

So, let me get this straight: it's bad to mourn over something that happened a little more than 10 years ago? I understand that this a "controversial" website but that isn't an excuse to be a prick. People died. It was fucking awful. Let's not dwell on it, but I think a bit of grief once in a while is healthy. We aren't soulless automatons who spend 100% of our time fucking bitches, making money and plotting our "escape" from the matrix. Give me a fucking break.

No one is saying that. It's obviously awful when innocent people die. But put it in perspective. Every year over a quarter million kids die innocently in car crashes (source:www.npr.org). The U.S government has bombed hundreds of thousands of civilians since 9/11. People still act like 9/11 was the worst thing to happen to our generation.

Nothing against the victims of 9/11 but most victims only get a cross on the side of the road if they're lucky.


Edit: This post ironically went through at 9:11 pm.

 

[porscheguy]

Maybe it's because I was asleep when it actually happened, but I've never given a lot of thought to those that died. I woke around 10 or 10:30 because I only had one early afternoon class that day. Like always I got up, showered, dressed, etc, without turning on the television. My girlfriend was still asleep. I got in the car and I noticed none of the radio stations were playing music, there was a lot of talking, but not much that you could make sense of. As I started to put pieces together, I called my girlfriend and told her to see WTF was going on. She was telling about the shit she was seeing, like people jumping out of windows and whatnot. By that time however, they were just replays. I got to school and most classes had been cancelled. Of course the one class I was in had not been cancelled. The professor was trying to assure us that being in class was more important than an event that would forever change the world. As one would expect, being in class was definitely a mailed in performance. When I got home and finally had access to a television I saw for myself. I was overwhelmed with feelings of sadness at that point, but not for the people who died that day. I didn't know any of them. I thought it was terrible they died, but I'm simply not one to cry over a stranger. My sadness stemmed from the fact that I had witnessed something that would change the world. And it was not changed for the better. Everything I had ever known, as I had known it, was somehow sealed off and frozen in time. Everything from that day forward would be impacted in some way by the events of 9/11 for years to come. I knew it that very day. I even told my girlfriend that evening, that this would be exploited by those in power for years to come. It would take us down a dark path and if and when we emerged, we would no longer recognize ourselves. I think in large part I was correct. It was a surreal day and I'll never forget it.

With that said, it's not at the forefront of my thoughts. I have to actively think about it, if I feel some need to remember (and that rarely happens). But even to this day, when I look at the timeline of my own life, there are two sections. The time before 9/11, and the time after 9/11.

 

[JacksonRev]

I'm tired of Labor Day. How do people celebrate work by not working?

 

[TonySandos]

So, let me get this straight: it's bad to mourn over something that happened a little more than 10 years ago? I understand that this a "controversial" website but that isn't an excuse to be a prick. People died. It was fucking awful. Let's not dwell on it, but I think a bit of grief once in a while is healthy. We aren't soulless automatons who spend 100% of our time fucking bitches, making money and plotting our "escape" from the matrix. Give me a fucking break.

No one is saying that. It's obviously awful when innocent people die. But put it in perspective. Every year over a quarter million kids die innocently in car crashes (source:www.npr.org). The U.S government has bombed hundreds of thousands of civilians since 9/11. People still act like 9/11 was the worst thing to happen to our generation.

Nothing against the victims of 9/11 but most victims only get a cross on the side of the road if they're lucky.


Edit: This post ironically went through at 9:11 pm.

I hate when common folk make these unqualified reservations. I'd ask for your citations, but I'll probably get a 9/11 loose change blog also. The US is powerful, but if the united states openly attacked non-military citizens or guerilla groups, we'd have sanctions and much open animosity against us by now.

Many probably think military aircraft can't tell what their ordnance are hitting or that they're ruthless automatons. Fortis is not part of the problem. He at least has the heart to discuss troubling events until a suitable answer is finally given. We don't have that yet.

Many wish others to join the political languor of US citizens that already encompassed the nation before 9/11. You all want fast and easy answers, minimal interruption from the hedonism diet. Everyone complains about the Iraq war, but forgets the same abandon got us into Afghanistan. The same abandon is why the government issues laws that destroy your retirement options, raise your taxes, take away your ability to drive, your guns, your dating prospects, and is the reason so many of you now want to expatriate somewhere else.

A little actions, informing and involvement is exactly why America is in the tubes. No one has the heart to trudge the hard road unless it's only for themselves.

 

[LINUX]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?

I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

I don't think I've ever read a post here that rubbed me in such a wrong way as this one. I would like to invite you and your girl to step away from your cell phone and walk into a bar and tell this joke to a grown man who doesn't have a liberal arts degree. How about this, I'll buy your ticket to NYC and I'll even pay you a per diem if you say it to a fireman or a soldier.

 

[godzilla]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?

I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

I don't think I've ever read a post here that rubbed me in such a wrong way as this one. I would like to invite you and your girl to step away from your cell phone and walk into a bar and tell this joke to a grown man who doesn't have a liberal arts degree. How about this, I'll buy your ticket to NYC and I'll even pay you a per diem if you say it to a fireman or a soldier.

Ill pay for half that ticket. Forum loses me with these threads.
It doesnt matter how many have been killed by the us in the Middle east. We can still mourn and remember the dead how we please.

Never forget

 

[Merenguero]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?

I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

I don't think I've ever read a post here that rubbed me in such a wrong way as this one. I would like to invite you and your girl to step away from your cell phone and walk into a bar and tell this joke to a grown man who doesn't have a liberal arts degree. How about this, I'll buy your ticket to NYC and I'll even pay you a per diem if you say it to a fireman or a soldier.

Ill pay for half that ticket. Forum loses me with these threads.
It doesnt matter how many have been killed by the us in the Middle east. We can still mourn and remember the dead how we please.

Never forget

I was about to ask how old the guy who made that post was back in 2001, but I think I can do the math and say he was nine. I think that says a lot.

 

[cascadecombo]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?

I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

I don't think I've ever read a post here that rubbed me in such a wrong way as this one. I would like to invite you and your girl to step away from your cell phone and walk into a bar and tell this joke to a grown man who doesn't have a liberal arts degree. How about this, I'll buy your ticket to NYC and I'll even pay you a per diem if you say it to a fireman or a soldier.

Ill pay for half that ticket. Forum loses me with these threads.
It doesnt matter how many have been killed by the us in the Middle east. We can still mourn and remember the dead how we please.

Never forget

I was about to ask how old the guy who made that post was back in 2001, but I think I can do the math and say he was nine. I think that says a lot.

You're correct given +/- a few months.

 

[Fortis]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?

I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

I don't think I've ever read a post here that rubbed me in such a wrong way as this one. I would like to invite you and your girl to step away from your cell phone and walk into a bar and tell this joke to a grown man who doesn't have a liberal arts degree. How about this, I'll buy your ticket to NYC and I'll even pay you a per diem if you say it to a fireman or a soldier.

Amen Linux.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

We escalated this to 'Never forget Thermopylae' yet?

 

[TonySandos]

You're so edgy bro^^^^

 

[Barron]

If it ended at remembering something as a tragedy it wouldn't bother me. What bothers me is the inability of Americans to realize that "Never Forget 9/11" is being used as a device of fear and anger to herd them into gung-ho supporting whatever political/military objective is on the current agenda.
The mainstream uses it as an annual fear mongering event to rein in the conformists and no one is any the wiser. Even better is the branding of any individual who questions it as un-American.
That's what bothers me.

 

[Orson]

Call me an asshole, but at this point I just mock 9/11. Almost 3,000 people died over 14 years ago. I'm sure the U.S murders way more civilians every month in the Middle East. What makes an American civilian life more valuable than someone who happened to be born in the Middle East?


I texted my girlfriend "happy holidays" last Friday based on that scene. She got the joke immediately.

Knock knock.
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget!

And so on...

An abjectly false moral equivalence, because no one disputes that Salafists kill more fellow Muslims than non-Muslims. (The figure "80% of all deaths" from Islamist terrorism gets cited widely.) Islamism is a quest for moral and political purity within Islam, you ought to know.

And then there's the 2005 UN Report on Human Security, which found declining in trends in violence in all aspects of war, even as the War in Iraq reached its most violent levels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Security_Report_2005
(The report was research compiled by schoolars outside the US, from Italy, Canada, and Scandanavia.)

Going back to the video I linked to above, and answering the question: "Why were we attacked on 9/11?" I'd point to Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris: the bombing of trains in Madrid; the bomoing of buses in London.

Why were they attacked? For the same reason.

Although with 9/11 leader Mohammed Attah there was something special about the target, the Twin Towers - something left over from the attempt to bring down the World Trade Center Towers in 1993 (http://www.history.com/news/remembering-the-1993-world-trade-center-bombing): in Hamburg, Germany, where Attah studied architecture, he learned that in proper Islamic cities, the highest buildings are always Mosques. Anything else is an impudent insult to Allah! Thus, the US must be humbled before God.

And the date "9/11" was chosen to symbolize the rejoining of the Muslim campaign to subjugate the West, immediately after their defeat (the Ottoman Turks) at the Walls of Vienna, September 10th, 1663.
http://www.historytoday.com/walter-leitsch/1683-siege-vienna

In short, we were - and are still - attacked because we are secular and Enlightened! - and they are the righteous mystical warriors who defend Islam and Allah!

Not really any different than what the War Aganst the Barbary states (Libya and Algeria) was about when the US had to defend fredom of the seas after the Founding decades, when Adams and Jefferson predicted that the US would fight Islam again for much the same reason.

And therefore the war will go on until Islam makes peace with the Enlightenment. There is no other end.

Analogously, the US waged the final pacification of the Indian from about 1862 in the Souix Uprising (which killed proportionately MORE people than 9/11 did) to Wounded Knee in 1893. The US campaign of pacification today - The "GWOT" as it's been dubbed - has proper precedence in our history.

 

[Roosevelt Taylor]

I was 22 and in college at the time. Really a sad say. That is all everyone talked about. Believe it or not, that is the first time I became patriotic and was thinking of joining the military to do my part. I felt a sense of pride, and patriotism to be an American and I haven't felt that way at any point in my life. 9/11 did bring the country together, as cliche as it may sound. Bush had a 90% approval rating. I remember when Bush came out and I felt like was the best president of all time because of that speech. It was that deep