I'm tired of all the "9-11 Never Forget" crap

[Saweeep]

I was lifting weights (surprise surprise) in my home gym when my Grandma called from downstairs and told me to put the TV on.

I will never, ever forget the feeling of utter shock and despair watching the news that day from 10,000 miles away. Never before had people witnessed such a thing live on TV. The day cemented my love of America and Americans.

The World changed on 9/11. Only those who were adults before it can really understand.


I think that some (particularly the younger) members of this forum are so desperate to be "edgy" and "alpha" that they forget that human compassion and understanding are two of the tenets of masculinity.

 

[Bazzwaldo]

"Everything changed after 9/11" is the worst misunderstanding ever. The world had been a dangerous place with assholes that want to hurt us for a long time, 9/11 just revealed it to the clueless.

Wow!
Firstly the murder of over 3,000 civilians going about their business should always be remembered, their memories honoured and this attack never forgotten
For 14 years now there has been intense debate over who did it, how it was done and why

Some people like you believe this was a religious based terrorist attack carried out by dangerous fanatics and we should be scared and prepared...

What about the more intelligent of us who don't swallow the 'official' story, those of us that have enquiring minds, who see evidence that wasn’t explained in the NIST findings like
WT7 Collapse at free-fall acceleration
Claims of investigating a controlled demolition without testing for explosive residues
No discussion of the molten metal found in the rubble of the three collapsed buildings


Or lets consider flight 77 hitting the Pentagon
Why is the impact hol;e so small compared to a Boeing 757?
They were able to identify nearly all the passengers by DNA but there was no significant plane debris left because the fire destroyed its significant parts?
Or Mr Hani Hanjour neither being able to control or land a Cessna but he could overcome a 6’4 ex Marine combat fighter pilot with a box cutter took the controls and performed a 270 degree descending turn at 400 mph only to skim 20’ off the ground taking out light poles and expertly crashed it into the only part of the entire building that was being renovated and therefore relatively empty!
Unfortunately there is no footage of this unbelievable feat, the attack on one of the worlds most heavily secured buildings, not one shred of footage

I guess you would be happy now that the PATRIOT act has been shuffled in to ‘protect’ you AFTER 9/11, the thousands of soldiers and civilians killed, foreign lands invaded and the total silence the media shows by way of opposition to these atrocities SINCE 9/11

I have no idea who did it but the world has changed irrevocably since. In Australia for instance, our anti ‘terrorist laws’ affect our civil liberties and I think you will find most countries have adopted similar laws restricting the people’s freedom in the name of protecting us form dangerous people

But hey I’m clueless to think otherwise

 

[puckerman]

I wasn't wanting to discuss conspiracy theories. But there are healthy and unhealthy ways of dealing with tragedy.

Four years ago, a woman my age was killed in a white-watering accident. Every day for several years, her live-in boy friend would post: "I love you." on her Facebook wall. This guy spent years wallowing in self-pity, feeling sorry for himself, and telling himself that he could never find anyone else. Guess what? He never has found anyone else. He still posts stuff on her wall.

When something bad happens, you need to express emotion whether it be anger, sadness, shock, or fear. But it is not healthy to do this forever. I know because I've done it with lesser things that have happened in my life.

Personally, I did know someone who was in there and got out alive. He often said that he only got out alive because he picked the right stairs.

When bad things happen, you have two choices:

1. Learn from it and move on.
2. Feel sorry for yourself and be a victim.

It's painfully obvious that many Americans chose #2. I'm not going to celebrate it, and I'm not going to support it because I live in this god-forsaken country as well.

Someday, I believe that historians will write that 9-11 was the beginning of the end of America. I see no evidence to disprove this.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

The world DID change...for those who have the intelligence and discernment to understand, and to act and think accordingly.

"Nothing changed" is the expression of the ignorant.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Well, at least Devo had the right perspective....


http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/09/devos-jerry-casale-had-a-911-themed-wedding/

 

[cascadecombo]

I see no evidence to disprove this.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

 

[Bazzwaldo]

I wasn't wanting to discuss conspiracy theories.....

I'm not either Puckerman, I'm discussing facts, everything I mentioned is easily observable and researchable fact, why did you jump to conclusions and label my comments as conspiracy theory?

 

[Thrill Jackson]

I feel the say way about it as I did when I was younger (surprisingly, I was 7). The united States was and is still notorious for attacking other country's for vague reasons. Eventually, some country or organized group of people (like al queda)was going to get fed up and attack us. It's just karma

 

[Only One Man]

Building 7 was obviously wired for demolition. Anyone who looks at it objectively can see this, especially when you consider that the BBC news reported building 7 had collapsed about 25 minutes before it actually did. Someone messed up and they were given that script to read a little too early. Also, if building 7 was rigged then so were the twin towers.

 

[Benoit]

Devo’s Jerry Casale Had A 9/11-Themed Wedding

Jerry Casale -- Devo's singer and bassist -- married Krista Napp on Friday at Michael's Restaurant in Santa Monica. Of course, Friday marked the 14th anniversary of the September 11th attacks ... a fact the bride and groom made sure their guests would never forget.
Fact 1: Their cake was the World Trade Center, with their images on top of each tower.
Fact 2: Guests got real box cutters as party favors.
Fact 3: Their table setting cards had an image of a "Gerald & Krista" engraved box cutter.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Nice repost.

 

[TigerMandingo]

I will never, ever forget the feeling of utter shock and despair watching the news that day from 10,000 miles away. Never before had people witnessed such a thing live on TV. The day cemented my love of America and Americans.

You felt "utter shock and despair" while watching planes fly into buildings? I was in high school at the time and all I felt (secretly) was excitement. This shit was unreal. But of course I could never say it in public as people would think I was crazy. The next day I got over it. Never understood all the hokey-dokey sentimentalism surrounding this event. I mean there's a goddamn gift shop at Ground Zero, I kid you not. What a joke.

 

[Huey]

You felt "utter shock and despair" while watching planes fly into buildings? I was in high school at the time and all I felt (secretly) was excitement. This shit was unreal. But of course I could never say it in public as people would think I was crazy. The next day I got over it. Never understood all the hokey-dokey sentimentalism surrounding this event. I mean there's a goddamn gift shop at Ground Zero, I kid you not. What a joke.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Never understood all the hokey-dokey sentimentalism surrounding this event.

Yeah, my dad felt just like that after Pearl Harbor. He was like, "Shit, so some fucking Japs blew up our fleet? BFD."

I'm down with it.

 

[rpg]

I was in the WTC after the 93 attack and felt that they would be back to take the buildings down. It was a complete failure of the CIA, NSA and the rest of the govt. That is why we should never forget. Our govt. is run by careerist idiots.

 

[Eusebius]

Someday, I believe that historians will write that 9-11 was the beginning of the end of America. I see no evidence to disprove this.

America's peak was 1969 when they put a man on the moon. In 1973 real wages peaked also. Then the economy and culture declined, but there was a shoulder peak in the 1990s after the USSR imploded.

9/11, the failures in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 2008 financial crisis...all data points on the bumpy plateau headed downwards. At some point there is a cliff and after that America is just Brazil with nukes.

 

[wi30]

Someday, I believe that historians will write that 9-11 was the beginning of the end of America. I see no evidence to disprove this.

America's peak was 1969 when they put a man on the moon. In 1973 real wages peaked also. Then the economy and culture declined, but there was a shoulder peak in the 1990s after the USSR imploded.

9/11, the failures in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 2008 financial crisis...all data points on the bumpy plateau headed downwards. At some point there is a cliff and after that America is just Brazil with nukes.

The US is due to collapse within our lifetimes based on The Fate of Empires. I read it a few weeks ago from a link posted on another thread. Empires last roughly 10 generations and we are on the tail end. I wish we were the exception but from looking at history, I highly doubt it.

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814_files/TheFateofEmpiresbySirJohnGlubb.pdf

The main problem with 9/11 is that it has been too politicized. Whether or not you believe the official story, it allowed the Patriot Act and NSA to take control. Anyone who questions it is labeled a "truther" which means nothing as an insult.

I haven't researched enough to draw a conclusion and will save that for the other 9/11 thread when I have an answer.

But otherwise exceptional posters whom I greatly respect on the forum have been using the same rhetoric the media uses every September. "9/11 changed the world and if you don't talk about how badly you were traumatized, you're a heartless bastard. How can you not have compassion?"

I've reiterated it in my posts; I truly sympathize with the victims and I'm not trying to diminish the severity of the event. But for God's sake, if someone doesn't immediately talk about how badly they were affected 14 years later, they aren't "immature" and pretend "alpha's" trying to be "edgy". They are normal people going about their lives.

This thread was started because the OP was sick of hearing the "never forget' speeches through every media channel. How many years will 9/11 continue to be profitable for every radio and tv station? I would assume at least another decade based on some of the responses to this thread.

 

[Saweeep]

I will never, ever forget the feeling of utter shock and despair watching the news that day from 10,000 miles away. Never before had people witnessed such a thing live on TV. The day cemented my love of America and Americans.

You felt "utter shock and despair" while watching planes fly into buildings? I was in high school at the time and all I felt (secretly) was excitement. This shit was unreal. But of course I could never say it in public as people would think I was crazy. The next day I got over it. Never understood all the hokey-dokey sentimentalism surrounding this event. I mean there's a goddamn gift shop at Ground Zero, I kid you not. What a joke.

I normally enjoy your posts, but if you really felt excitement at seeing thousands of people die needlessly in real time then as far as I'm concerned there is something seriously wrong with you Sir.

That's just not normal.

 

[Gordax]

3/6/1836 never forget. the alamo is so underrated nowdays

 

[TigerMandingo]

I normally enjoy your posts, but if you really felt excitement at seeing thousands of people die needlessly in real time then as far as I'm concerned there is something seriously wrong with you Sir.

That's just not normal.

There is something exciting and highly entertaining in watching a tragedy unfold, in this case in REAL time. It also why the Euro migrant thread is already 80 pages long. We humans, even though we may not ever admit it, are fascinated by these sorts of occasional catastrophes that malign our species.

I know it goes against the traditional thought process of "tragedy = endless mourning". I don't believe people who say they are "shocked" and feel "utter despair" at such things.