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<blockquote data-quote="Max Roscoe" data-source="post: 1454317" data-attributes="member: 17845">The requirement of capitalism for permanent exponential grown is a feature, not a bug.&nbsp; It is *designed* to require mass immigration, as stable, K-selected civilizations reach a saturation point (as does everything in nature).White civilizations reached this point a long time ago.&nbsp; Much of Asia, did, which is why China took the wise step of limiting its population around a billion people.&nbsp; There are numerous quality of life issues that become significantly worse with high density urbanization (ie you will eat bugs, you will have fracked water, you will pay $10 a gallon for gas, you will own nothing, and you will &quot;like&quot; it), but setting aside the good/bad aspect of it, population levels are mostly natural phenomenon, and we have yet to see a K-selected civilization engage in exponential growth, or an R-selected civilization stabilize (even facing mass starvation, Africans reproduce at record levels).&nbsp; And under capitalism, the Economy must be fed at all costs and it requires more and more every year, no matter what.Even during the covid 19 lockdowns where by every measure, economic activity is a fraction of what it was before, corporations have found a way to grow their profits.&nbsp; It's bizarre, and we don't yet know how exactly they did it, though probably the economic bailouts, 97% of which went to corporations, are the reason.&nbsp; [URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/future-world-s-population-4-charts[/URL]The countries which will experience the greatest growth in coming years are:IndiaNigeriaPakistanCongoEthiopia USAIndonesiaUgandaIs anyone betting that these countries will be better off in 2050 than they are today?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Max Roscoe, post: 1454317, member: 17845"] The requirement of capitalism for permanent exponential grown is a feature, not a bug. It is *designed* to require mass immigration, as stable, K-selected civilizations reach a saturation point (as does everything in nature). White civilizations reached this point a long time ago. Much of Asia, did, which is why China took the wise step of limiting its population around a billion people. There are numerous quality of life issues that become significantly worse with high density urbanization (ie you will eat bugs, you will have fracked water, you will pay $10 a gallon for gas, you will own nothing, and you will "like" it), but setting aside the good/bad aspect of it, population levels are mostly natural phenomenon, and we have yet to see a K-selected civilization engage in exponential growth, or an R-selected civilization stabilize (even facing mass starvation, Africans reproduce at record levels). And under capitalism, the Economy must be fed at all costs and it requires more and more every year, no matter what. Even during the covid 19 lockdowns where by every measure, economic activity is a fraction of what it was before, corporations have found a way to grow their profits. It's bizarre, and we don't yet know how exactly they did it, though probably the economic bailouts, 97% of which went to corporations, are the reason. [URL unfurl="true"]https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/future-world-s-population-4-charts[/URL] The countries which will experience the greatest growth in coming years are: India Nigeria Pakistan Congo Ethiopia USA Indonesia Uganda Is anyone betting that these countries will be better off in 2050 than they are today? [/QUOTE]

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