Incels And Fornicators Are Almost The Same

Spro23

 
Banned
Catholic
If you have sex and no children to show for it then all you have done is wasted your seed. It does not matter if you dated J'Lo in her prime - no kids to show for it means no real result.
You think people are gonna care when you are a balding 50 year old man with a beer belly and tell people about how you fornicated with some ladies in a hotel bar in Miami? If you don't have any progeny, any children to show for it you will just be that loser "uncle" with no kids.
Jay Dyer has no children, yet he's married and is Christian. Your arrogance is unreal.

Men have massive burdens to meet - socially, financially, and genetically- to attract and keep a woman (yes even the ones that attend church). Frankly, many men won't be capable of this, and I'm not sure where you draw the line between what you think God wants and what you're capable of achieving. At what point do you admit reality overrides your ideal fantasy? Her father will certainly be interested in what you do for a living and your ability to PAY for her.
Very few men are players like LINUX, you're acting like most men are. Most can't even get basic affection from a woman, like even a phone call / text / hug. It's why even single moms in their 30s have options. Most men just want a woman to show basic concern for them. It's why this forum existed in the first place, some of us went to christian schools of some kind and never got any advice about girls other than "GET MARRIED!" from a priest. The priest couldn't articulate that at least 1/3 of those boys probably couldn't even get a girlfriend.

Yea, it's ideal that at age 22 all of us got married and had all that going for us, but like Jay, I'm sure we had huge issues ---financially, socially, or otherwise that prevented us from doing that. Young women simply don't have this problem, they don't need to learn to run a relationship much less provide anything.

Maybe it's some sort of fate that us lone wolves are the ones who can afford to deny the vax. I admit if I had a wife and kids I cared about, I probably would've taken the jab if threatened with the ability to support them.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
A fitting quote from Saint Theophan:



Via:

A fallen world points to a need for redemption. The inequality of gifts point to a purpose beyond this world.

Suffering is God's megaphone to a deaf world. It also inherently shows that this current world passing away isn't a be all and end all of existence.

Although God will make everyone like the Olympian Gods made according to Platonic ideal but unique if they are saints in the perfection of beauty in due time. At the resurrection.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
hmmm .... interesting comment "Joy_grace" :)))!

It seems that very few people notice that!
Even huge Christian YouTube channels constantly use these "ClipArts" and images, portraying (fully) worldly people as some kind of "ideal). There might be a huge danger behind it. These Videos are probably influenced by the enemy.... and causing problems like comparisons and inferiority complexes within humble believers who don't "match" the ideals showed in these clips and images.... which are rather unnatural und unrealistic....

What you think about that?
Didn't GOD command not to make any images? Or was that just concerning images of himself and the heavenly realm? Even if its just concerning the heavenly realm, YT channels like "Lion of Juda", "Grace for purpose" are still violating this law.... they all the time show ("impressive") clips of angels, deamons etc.... This could "backfire" very soon!

I mean it definatly HELPS for worldly people to grasp spiritual concepts. But we know that GOD will screen/ filter/ test everything and everybody on this earth, in the end times!
God did give the designs of the Temple to David. Including Cherubim, Palm Trees ,open flowers and Pomegranates.

So God definitely didn't forbid artistic images:

Their functions however are as ambience to show that to be in God's presence is to be in paradise.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Jay Dyer has no children, yet he's married and is Christian. Your arrogance is unreal.

Men have massive burdens to meet - socially, financially, and genetically- to attract and keep a woman (yes even the ones that attend church). Frankly, many men won't be capable of this, and I'm not sure where you draw the line between what you think God wants and what you're capable of achieving. At what point do you admit reality overrides your ideal fantasy? Her father will certainly be interested in what you do for a living and your ability to PAY for her.
Very few men are players like LINUX, you're acting like most men are. Most can't even get basic affection from a woman, like even a phone call / text / hug. It's why even single moms in their 30s have options. Most men just want a woman to show basic concern for them. It's why this forum existed in the first place, some of us went to christian schools of some kind and never got any advice about girls other than "GET MARRIED!" from a priest. The priest couldn't articulate that at least 1/3 of those boys probably couldn't even get a girlfriend.

Yea, it's ideal that at age 22 all of us got married and had all that going for us, but like Jay, I'm sure we had huge issues ---financially, socially, or otherwise that prevented us from doing that. Young women simply don't have this problem, they don't need to learn to run a relationship much less provide anything.

Maybe it's some sort of fate that us lone wolves are the ones who can afford to deny the vax. I admit if I had a wife and kids I cared about, I probably would've taken the jab if threatened with the ability to support them.

A lot of it is also the loss of connection between Men which leads to them pining for an overly romantic notions of women that don't exist.



Likewise the misguided notion that all Men should marry as if that were the highest ideal. Let those able to marry. Marry. Otherwise a chaste life serving Christ as single Men are the next best option.

No rather I believe singleness if done in the service of the Kingdom is equal in value to that of being family Men.(Matthew 19:1-12)
 

placer

 
Banned
Protestant
Men have massive burdens to meet - socially, financially, and genetically- to attract and keep a woman (yes even the ones that attend church). Frankly, many men won't be capable of this, and I'm not sure where you draw the line between what you think God wants and what you're capable of achieving.

I don’t like putting limits on God’s power. I was a pathetic omega incel of the worst degree. The only girl I could get in my bed was a physically repulsive land whale. Yet, I had faith in God.

God took care of me. I had a God-fearing boss, and my co workers there made me realize my path was to find love in another country. After the then tech economy collapsed, I moved to Latin America and was able to find a wife. Even though my motives were not always Godly, God was still watching out for me: The first hot woman who ended up sleeping with me was also willing to marry me and start a family with me. All of this happened well after my 20s, after what our sinful heathen world considers a man’s “sexual peak”.

It’s interesting you brought up LINUX. Linux did not have success with girls in the post-Christian west. He had to go to Colombia to find love, a country, may I remind you, which still has Godly values, and which still believes in traditional marriage and family.

If God wills you to live the family life, he will lead the way to you having a beautiful woman who wants to make babies with you. He did with me, and I was, I assure you a far more pathetic “beta” or “omega” than you are.

Don’t let the devil deceive you. Inceldom is a Satanic deception, just as the PUA lifestyle is an evil deception.
 

02Hero

 
Banned
Other Christian
You can still live a good life without children. E.g. by helping others in the community you are in.

There is research out there that show high stress environments make people have more children. It is assumed it is a way for your body to make sure if you die or one of your children dies there is still progeny going forward. I see many people with children who raise them as slaves. They are literally cannon fodder and do not add anything to the world.

They also tend to have lower IQ since high stress hormones suppress brain growth/development or even cause brain shrinkage. That is why IQ is real.

It is much more important if you have children that you make them strong, intelligent, etc. But there is a balance. Too much comfort and the child will lean on his/her intelligence and lack of instinct. The balance is key. Even if people dont want to hear that.
 

Zagor

Kingfisher
The term incel seems to get thrown out a lot nowadays. Often directed at men who aren’t losers desperate for fornication. just guys who simply don’t want to be vagina beggars on the plantation anymore and voice their objections to the modern poisonous dynamic.
That’s because our civilisation went so much down the drain that most people can’t fathom that anyone would voluntary go celibate.
 

Lukashenko

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
I will feel like a complete and total loser if I don't have children. I'm 34 and the clock is ticking.

With the amount of women who have been vaxxed up to the eyeballs too, the situation is looking extremely grim. I'm already telling myself to come to terms with a childless future but I can't accept it just yet. I think about this quite a lot, it consumes me.
 

joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
Yea, it's ideal that at age 22 all of us got married and had all that going for us, but like Jay, I'm sure we had huge issues ---financially, socially, or otherwise that prevented us from doing that. Young women simply don't have this problem, they don't need to learn to run a relationship much less provide anything.

Women carry some weight too in relationship. We also have to prepare ourselves physically, psychologically, socially, and spiritually to be attractive to our future partner and to maintain a long lasting relationship.

Learning to submit and trust men, to understand + treat men rightly, maintain relationship, and to be feminine is also a serious task that needs a lot of willingness, humility, patience, faith, and effort. Women might not have any obvious leadership and material burden to carry, but doesn't mean we don't have any pressure and requirements to meet. We need to learn to run relationship in the feminine way. Then learning to be a mother and homemaker. Both gender carry a heavy weight in relationship and life, albeit it's expressed in different ways.

Sure there are women who don't learn these or preparing themselves and think that they're worthy of men just because they are a woman, but these women tend to bring mess into the relationship.
 
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joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
hmmm .... interesting comment "Joy_grace" :)))!

It seems that very few people notice that!
Even huge Christian YouTube channels constantly use these "ClipArts" and images, portraying (fully) worldly people as some kind of "ideal). There might be a huge danger behind it. These Videos are probably influenced by the enemy.... and causing problems like comparisons and inferiority complexes within humble believers who don't "match" the ideals showed in these clips and images.... which are rather unnatural und unrealistic....

What you think about that?
Didn't GOD command not to make any images? Or was that just concerning images of himself and the heavenly realm? Even if its just concerning the heavenly realm, YT channels like "Lion of Juda", "Grace for purpose" are still violating this law.... they all the time show ("impressive") clips of angels, deamons etc.... This could "backfire" very soon!

I mean it definatly HELPS for worldly people to grasp spiritual concepts. But we know that GOD will screen/ filter/ test everything and everybody on this earth, in the end times!

I referred to image/photo of yourself in my previous comment (selfies, constantly posting photos of yourself in various activities, etc).

If it's an aesthetic image of fictional subjects (angels, men/woman in beautiful paintings) or admirable figures (not celebrity, but something like saints or church fathers), then I think it's good.

I see that aesthetic religious images/arts serve as an inspiration, but still we have to avoid idolizing it and to use it as a way to realize and magnify the glory of God. There's a sense of grace and transcendence when one is exposed to such beauty, and it helps to bring us closer to God.
 
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Spro23

 
Banned
Catholic
Joy you're only willing to do all that when you're attracted to the man in the first place. All the effort stuff manifests because of that.
Women lose the feeling of desire way easier than men do, I think it's biological and genetic.
Literally Amish and Muslims are the only ones who created a functioning solution to this aspect of nature.
 
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joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
Joy you're only willing to do all that when you're attracted to the man in the first place. All the effort stuff manifests because of that.
Women lose the feeling of desire way easier than men do, I think it's biological and genetic. That's why I'm saying clearly God made this situation ridiculous.
Literally Amish and Muslims are the only ones who created a functioning solution to this aspect of nature.

Not all women are like that (some men might disapprove this sentence, I know). There are women who willingly and honestly prepare for this, even before the obvious presence of such man or long before a man she's attracted to entering her life. I know I've seen these women exist, even in the West (usually in traditional or religious circle). I also see women willing to learn to be feminine and doing relationship in the feminine way when I visit websites/pages that talk about femininity and relationship. They might be not a norm for most women, especially in the West. But they exist.

There are still women with good will who have honest intention to do well in life and to bring happiness to others. It's a turn off for women to see men who are so black pilled and pessimistic that they hold such a complete contemptuous opinion on all women. This is the kind of attitude and mentality that actually would prevent men from finding good woman.
 
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infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
I will feel like a complete and total loser if I don't have children. I'm 34 and the clock is ticking.

With the amount of women who have been vaxxed up to the eyeballs too, the situation is looking extremely grim. I'm already telling myself to come to terms with a childless future but I can't accept it just yet. I think about this quite a lot, it consumes me.

You aren't. Not in Gods eyes. There is a reward waiting for all his saints. Whether they have descendants upon this earth or not.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Joy you're only willing to do all that when you're attracted to the man in the first place. All the effort stuff manifests because of that.
Women lose the feeling of desire way easier than men do, I think it's biological and genetic.
Literally Amish and Muslims are the only ones who created a functioning solution to this aspect of nature.

I don't see why it is wrong to prefer certain Men its just the way God designed people in that case since such mechanisms aren't described in Scripture as sin. But all Christian women do have obligations to be Righteous and imitate women like Ruth, Abigail, Esther, Sarah at their best.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Not all women are like that (some men might disapprove this sentence, I know). There are women who willingly and honestly prepare for this, even before the obvious presence of such man or long before a man she's attracted to entering her life. I know I've seen these women exist, even in the West (usually in traditional or religious circle). I also see women willing to learn to be feminine and doing relationship in the feminine way when I visit websites/pages that talk about femininity and relationship. They might be not a norm for most women, especially in the West. But they exist.

There are still women with good will who have honest intention to do well in life and to bring happiness to others. It's a turn off for women to see men who are so black pilled and pessimistic that they hold such a complete contemptuous opinion on all women. This is the kind of attitude and mentality that actually would prevent men from finding good woman.

I think Blackpill is self-defeat before there is even a battle. Its self-sabotage by one's own mind. Marriage ties both Men and Women together. Women don't have the obligation to go with a sinking ship which is self-inflicted.

As for wicked women its a great evil that they had so much influence over Mainstream Culture and Government.

Steering it towards destruction by their vendetta against Men because of their Father issues and/or seeking to take over Male sex roles whilst encouraging the opposite for Men.

And using legitimate issues as a weapon:

Whilst the real problem is as Erin Pizzey the founder of the first domestic violence shelter pointed out. As it is a general human problem that isn't limited to just Men:


She was threatened by those same feminists who claimed to care about women and domestic violence.

I have posted this before. But I recommend reading Dalrock as to why things are the way they are.
 
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joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
I think Blackpill is self-defeat before there is even a battle. Its self-sabotage by one's own mind. Marriage ties both Men and Women together. Women don't have the obligation to go with a sinking ship which is self-inflicted.

Agree!

As for wicked women its a great evil that they had so much influence over Mainstream Culture and Government.

Steering it towards destruction by their vendetta against Men because of their Father issues and/or seeking to take over Male sex roles whilst encouraging the opposite for Men.

And using legitimate issues as a weapon:

Whilst the real problem is as Erin Pizzey the founder of the first domestic violence shelter pointed out. As it is a general human problem that isn't limited to just Men:


She was threatened by those same feminists who claimed to care about women and domestic violence.


Agreed. I don't refute the fact that wicked/broken women and wicked + false ideologies exist. And the horrible consequences that they inflict on society are real. The disruption of natural order that they caused is very upsetting and leads into chaos in many (if not all) aspects of life.

Some of this chaos, unfortunately, is the legion of men who no longer capable to see the good in woman, and sadly that prevents them from meeting truly good woman. It's the equivalent of feminists' man-hating attitude who think all men are pigs that just want to oppress and abuse women.

It's funny to think that leftism actually is an ideology of daddy issues and mental disturbance. Someone said that Marx had severe daddy issues (he hated his father and their relationship was dysfunctional), that then he projected this inner problems to the world by creating a philosophy/ideology that wants to rebel against and replace all the authorities in the world (the capitalists/master class, Hegelian's respected philosophy, patriarchy, and then God).

I have posted this before. But I recommend reading Dalrock as to why things are the way they are.

Thank you for the recommendation. I've been reading Dalrock blog for a while and thoroughly enjoy it. :)
 
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infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Agree!



Agreed. I don't refute the fact that wicked/broken women and wicked + false ideologies exist. And the horrible consequences that they inflict on society are real. The disruption of natural order that they caused is very upsetting and leads into chaos in many (if not all) aspects of life.

Some of this chaos, unfortunately, is the legion of men who no longer capable to see the good in woman, and sadly that prevents them from meeting truly good woman. It's the equivalent of feminists' man-hating attitude who think all men are pigs that just want to oppress and abuse women.

It's funny to think that leftism actually is an ideology of daddy issues and mental disturbance. Someone said that Marx had severe daddy issues (he hated his father and their relationship was dysfunctional), that then he projected this inner problems to the world by creating a philosophy/ideology that wants to rebel against and replace all the authorities in the world (the capitalists/master class, Hegelian's respected philosophy, patriarchy, and then God).



Thank you for the recommendation. I've been reading Dalrock blog for a while and thoroughly enjoy it. :)
The movement goes back into the 1800's:
 

02Hero

 
Banned
Other Christian
A lot of women are not truly attracted to their man. I think this will always create weak children. I am talking 80-90% of women are not really attracted to their man. It is more like a settlement. Women can act like they are attracted and perhaps even convince themselves - but they are not truly. An example is my mother too.

It is better to have no children than to have children with a woman (or women) who are not attracted to you.

I have noticed in myself that because I had an overbearing mother I also treated women like I treated my mother. Constantly on my toes around them and eventually I saw that I was doing the same patterns I did when I was a child. It is quite hard to unlearn this but 100% possible. It took some calibrating as I went completely apeshit for a while but eventually you will find the right way to deal with women.

The funny thing is that you attract those same type of women in your life. So there is truth in that men look for their mommy. Of course women are turned off by it. I think it is because most men never have a rite of passage and thus are stuck in Peter Pan Syndrome. Just look at millennials. Majority are manchilds still living their youth (videogames, drugs, escapism). Not hating, but this is partly caused by the lack of a rite of passage.

Whil majority of women I notice are arrogant beyond belief. You really have to treat them harshly to get them down to reality. Especially the more masculine ones. Simping is a death sentence now.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I've been noticing a lot of posts that say women just aren't into men at all, lately. Is this on the basis of (low) testosterone or lack of motivation towards sex? I wonder if this sentiment has been around for a while or if it's just a temporary thing. I can see the argument, but it does lead to certain realities of social and other pressures to make sure the civilization can maintain itself. I don't have a strong opinion on it, and it is certainly something to consider.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I wrote something on another thread on attraction in marriage:


I had an female Indian manager at a job once who told me and some other of my co-workers that she was engaged to her husband after meeting him for 45 minutes. I remember her exact words: "For us, the marriage comes first and the love comes later".

I also had an Albanian friend who married a girl from his home country. He met her randomly in the capital city while he was in Albania visiting relatives. After returning to the US, they stayed in touch online and he asked her if she wanted to get married on there. I remember his words regarding his marriage as well. He said when making the decision he treated it like he was making a buying a house or making any sort of big purchase. He had a list and thought of all the good points about her (She's from a good family, she is educated, she is attractive enough) in the same way people make decisions about buying a car or whatever. He had also said that in the beginning of their marriage they he did not love her but that after a few years, he did start loving her. They have two sons now.

I've been thinking for a while now if when it comes to marrying a woman if it is best to disregard attraction and chemistry. For modern people it seems inconceivable to marry someone unless you are already in love and have romantic affections for her but if you look at most of human history, most marriages were not based on romance. Rather it was for the purpose of forming a family unit. The way our period views marriage is what is aberrant and abnormal compared to the entirety of human history.
 
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