Incels And Fornicators Are Almost The Same

The Prime Minister

Robin
Orthodox
I'm going to take a contrarian opinion here. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion and I'll be heavily downvoted, but I think Blackpilled Incels are correct. I will also explain why you can be a blackpilled incel man and a religious Christian at the same time, they're not contradictory.

As a younger millenial man in my late 20's, I interact with a lot of Zoomer men and men in my age range. There seems to be a massive disconnect between mainstream society and younger males (who make up the majority of blackpilled incels). Even here, many of the members are Gen-X older men who are ex-Redpill or ex-PUA, and their bias against younger male incels manifests subconsciously. The data shows 1/3 of all young men in the US are basically incels. This statistic is rising globally.

First let me clarify a few things. Incels subscribe to the Blackpill, they reject the Bluepill and Redpill entirely. How is that different?
Redpill = Men can learn self-improvement and confidence to get women and success in life.
Blackpill = No amount of self-improvement can help you get women; the ability to get women depends solely on your genetics (looks, height, race/ethnicity, etc.). Attraction is non-negotiable, you can't force people to be attracted to someone they're not attracted to.

Blackpilled incels don't want to get laid and fornicate, they want a loving relationship with a woman who matches them (if they are a 3/10 they also want a woman who is 2 or 3/10, they don't want supermodels). This is why advice of "have sex with a prostitute" is rejected by many incels. They can't get a relationship because of female hypergamy and Chads who have better genetics than them taking most of the women for himself (Chad is taller & more attractive than them). Also online dating, social media, technology, globalism, feminism, abortion/birth control, simps & cucks, and a hostile gynocentric misandrist mainstream society all magnify the problems incels face exponentially.

The main arguments against incels includes = have a better personality, you aren't entitled to women/sex, just socialize more/go to the gym, etc. These condescending platitudes come from all sorts non-incels in society = it comes from women & feminists, it comes from "self-improvement" redpill bros, it comes from mainstream media, etc. This is why they resonate with the Doomer and Chad wojaks and the phrase "its over". Everyone dismisses their problems and put women on a pedestal, basically the "Women-are-Wonderful effect". It seems society is fully on board with the "Just-World fallacy" when they bash incel men.

Imagine a rich billionaire telling a disabled starving African peasant that they aren't entitled to food or that they should "self-improve". Imagine telling a 5'2 ugly man with autism that he can get girls just as easily as Chris Hemsworth or Henry Cavill and that he's just too lazy playing video games all day. Those kind of statements are completely out of touch with reality. The criticism towards younger male incels is basically Baby-Boomer type of platitudes and gaslighting = "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps! This economy is great! You're just lazy, that's why you're unemployed!".

I noticed that everyone distances themselves from these so-called "losers". The left wing but even the right wing. Even here many Christians are basically tossing young men (who are incels) under the bus. Interestingly many incels themselves say that they have no allies (on the left and right) and they're all alone. Recently Nick Fuentes was criticized in an interview by a woman named Sydney Watson and shamed for not being with women before (many of you may not know but Nick is very short). If you look at the responses to that interview you see the massive disconnect I was talking about. The mainstream media, the left, and even many "conservatives" were laughing at Fuentes for being a loser and incel. Meanwhile among Groypers and Incels they look up to Fuentes and together share that male solidarity and blackpilled incel brotherhood. It just solidified in their minds what they already knew, that normies and society hate them.

What does this have to do with a Christian perspective? Christianity tells us that men and women should get married and have kids, but that its also okay to live a celibate holy life serving God. I think the message to incels shouldn't be to bash them (which they already get constantly), instead the message to them should be to turn their back on this worldly life and try to be holy monastics (or monk-like). To serve God will give them a higher purpose and meaning in their difficult life. They've already been rejected by this world and society, but God will accept them. This would be a better approach but would require many Christians here to humble themselves and reject mainstream biases that they subconsciously hold against these young men. These young men are already right-leaning, they hate this globalist system, they hate feminism, they call out the JQ, and they have already shifted the Overton Window in our culture with their ideas and memes. Why alienate them?
 

Spro23

 
Banned
Catholic
Exactly.....if the creator made young women biologically more valuable than most men, (infact 1% more male babies are born every year to account for higher male mortality) apparently this is the conditions God wants. I don't understand why we aren't allowed to gain skills and ability to get the ones we want.

A young woman at church can "be humble" because she's already high-value anyways. She doesn't need to be assertive/aggressive/cunning to achieve a mate and family. Men have to really know what they're doing and "win" at something.

My catholic priest has a pension, house, retirement all pre loaded for him in a tax-free organization, but I'm labeled "greedy" for being ambitious so I can achieve and get a quality woman. I have to win to get anywhere in life, they don't acknowledge this. Women, boomers, and priests are giving horrible advice and they wonder why men are checking out.
 

The Prime Minister

Robin
Orthodox
Exactly.....if the creator made young women biologically more valuable than most men, (infact 1% more male babies are born every year to account for higher male mortality) apparently this is the conditions God wants. I don't understand why we aren't allowed to gain skills and ability to get the ones we want.

A young woman at church can "be humble" because she's already high-value anyways. She doesn't need to be assertive/aggressive/cunning to achieve a mate and family. Men have to really know what they're doing and "win" at something.

My catholic priest has a pension, house, retirement all pre loaded for him in a tax-free organization, but I'm labeled "greedy" for being ambitious so I can achieve and get a quality woman. I have to win to get anywhere in life, they don't acknowledge this. Women, boomers, and priests are giving horrible advice and they wonder why men are checking out.
We can't win as young men, we're trapped in a Catch-22.

If we aren't successful in getting a wife, we're told it's all our fault and we didn't work hard enough.
If we are successful in getting a wife (which is rare) and talk about how difficult it was, we're told to stop whining and complaining.

Christians are sabotaging their own young men. They say no sex out of wedlock, sex only through marriage.
Meanwhile they make marriage extremely difficult, expecting young men to have money/career in order to get married (that can take until your 30s).

Maybe the Amish are correct in getting teenage males and females married together in an arranged marriage.
This was probably how it was done in ancient times. The parents would do an arranged marriage so a young 17 year old man would get married to a 15-16 year old girl.
 
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joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
Ultimate LOL at the endless excuse, pessimism, and twisted rationalizations of blackpilled incels.

Some people think their life is soooo specially difficult, that they're soooo oppressed by the cruel society......... Boo hoo.....

Flash news: Life on earth is difficult and most (if not all) people have difficulties in their life. It's not that special and unique to have difficult life, dear.

I'm myself born in third world country from a lower middle class family. Growing up, eating at McDonald's was considered a luxury. My life is also difficult, and still I refuse to whine, complain, or resort to gloomy pessimism.

And yet some first world-ers love to cry and complain about muh difficulties, muh oppression... Like nobody has it more difficult than they are, boo hoo...... Life is soooo unfair.... Muh unique difficultiessss.... The world should have hand me everythinggggg.....

It should be an interesting question to ponder, why many in your society exhibit this mentality. It's happening collectively to the degree of it being a social movement, or even ideology.

(PS: I'm aware that it's good to be compassionate with everyone, especially while they're struggling in life. But I'm also aware that sometimes firm, direct, and tough love approach is necessary. This time, I think a reply based on the latter approach is necessary.)

GOOD LUCK with the black pill and defeatism, dear.
 
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rosyclouds

Chicken
Woman
Catholic
The term incel seems to get thrown out a lot nowadays. Often directed at men who aren’t losers desperate for fornication. just guys who simply don’t want to be vagina beggars on the plantation anymore and voice their objections to the modern poisonous dynamic.
sometimes I wonder why people don’t use the term volcel instead as it’s indicative that the person wants to be celibate
 

Spro23

 
Banned
Catholic
Ultimate LOL at the endless excuse, pessimism, and twisted rationalizations of blackpilled incels.

Some people think their life is soooo specially difficult, that they're soooo oppressed by the cruel society......... Boo hoo.....

Joy - White men are the only reason we have nice things. Architecture of these churches, air conditioning at your church, the electrical grid, your automobile, the airplane you flew to this country in, etc... You forget this stuff is fragile and temporary. See: Somalia, Guatemala, etc..

This is why I won't give money to my church anymore. They're enabling women to act like you. They want all the fruits of white male labor and generosity without giving anything in return. White men are kind enough to give the world access to their modern achievements and it's being completely abused by ingrates of all kinds.

White mens' patience, kindness, and generosity has been pushed to the limit. I won't feel bad when the collapse gets ugly, frankly most people deserve it.
 

placer

Kingfisher
Protestant
There was a time in my 20s when I thought that I would end up being a forever alone Incel. It wasn’t true. After a lot of effort I got a beautiful wife and started a family with her.

Some questions for the Incels here:

  • Do you lift? Yes, this is a RedPill trope, but there’s a lot of truth to this. I am no jock, but once I was done crying because I was an incel, I took action, started with push ups, got a fitness book, starting watching my diet, going to the gym...and was dating a pretty girl 10 years younger than me within three months
  • Do you watch porn? If so, stop that now.
  • Do you engage in simping or oneitis? In other words, do you get romantic feelings for a woman without taking in to account whether she feels the same way?
  • Do you bathe and shower every day?
  • Do you have a healthy diet and have your weight under control?
  • Do you have your drinking and drug use under control? I myself do not drink or use illegal drugs at all
  • Do you work on expanding your social circle? Church youth groups and Bible studies are great places to meet new people.

It comes down to this: Stop believing the lies of Satan. Stop blaming the world for your problems and start taking action.

I am short. I have below average looks. I am socially awkward. I believed every single self-pitying Incel lie in the book. Today, I have a successful marriage and a family of my own. It can be done.

I would love Roosh take Game, get rid of all of the nonsense in there encouraging immorality, and come up with a Wife book for how to find a God-fearing wife to start a family with. Game, despite its many flaws, does have some good advice.
 

scarfaceantonio

Robin
Other Christian
Exactly.... Try to approach or ask a priest to get you to know or "hand you" one of his beautifu
Ultimate LOL at the endless excuse, pessimism, and twisted rationalizations of blackpilled incels.

Some people think their life is soooo specially difficult, that they're soooo oppressed by the cruel society......... Boo hoo.....

Flash news: Life on earth is difficult and most (if not all) people have difficulties in their life. It's not that special and unique to have difficult life, dear.

I'm myself born in third world country from a lower middle class family. Growing up, eating at McDonald's was considered a luxury. My life is also difficult, and still I refuse to whine, complain, or resort to gloomy pessimism.

And yet some first world-ers love to cry and complain about muh difficulties, muh oppression... Like nobody has it more difficult than they are, boo hoo...... Life is soooo unfair.... Muh unique difficultiessss.... The world should have hand me everythinggggg.....

It should be an interesting question to ponder, why many in your society exhibit this mentality. It's happening collectively to the degree of it being a social movement, or even ideology.

(PS: I'm aware that it's good to be compassionate with everyone, especially while they're struggling in life. But I'm also aware that sometimes firm, direct, and tough love approach is necessary. This time, I think a reply based on the latter approach is necessary.)

GOOD LUCK with the black pill and defeatism, dear.
 

The Prime Minister

Robin
Orthodox
Ultimate LOL at the endless excuse, pessimism, and twisted rationalizations of blackpilled incels.

GOOD LUCK with the black pill and defeatism, dear.

I knew this kind of reaction would appear. I'm not trying to create arguments here among fellow Christians. I was merely explaining the situation from young males (incels) perspective. It seems clear to me where you stand on this matter


Some questions for the Incels here:

I never said it was impossible. It definitely is possible, but the odds are heavily stacked against young men, that's all I'm saying. If you can't even acknowledge that then I don't know how to convince you.
 

SaintPiusX

Robin
Trad Catholic
Joy - White men are the only reason we have nice things. Architecture of these churches, air conditioning at your church, the electrical grid, your automobile, the airplane you flew to this country in, etc... You forget this stuff is fragile and temporary. See: Somalia, Guatemala, etc..

This is why I won't give money to my church anymore. They're enabling women to act like you. They want all the fruits of white male labor and generosity without giving anything in return. White men are kind enough to give the world access to their modern achievements and it's being completely abused by ingrates of all kinds.

White mens' patience, kindness, and generosity has been pushed to the limit. I won't feel bad when the collapse gets ugly, frankly most people deserve it.
It sounds like you are attending a modern Catholic church. You should look into a SSPX Church.
 

joy_grace

Sparrow
Woman
Other Christian
So even a hopeful and uplifting message + story from @placer is getting downvoted. The inner problem that drives such behavior is glaringly obvious to the observer. But the subject himself might not be able to see it due to the dark clouds in his own eyes.

@placer congrats, I admire your resolve to rise above the limitations and challenges! :)

May God shine His light upon us all and keep us uplifted in His joy, strength, and wisdom. Amen.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
I'm not surprised Roosh's blog post dredged out and triggered the incels. The level of cope these past 3 pages have generated is astounding.

I'm frankly repulsed by the entitlement of male volcels and incels. This is coming from an autistic tech nerd millennial who let his arrogant entitlement lead him through the hell that is game only to give up, find Christ, hit the gym, and try my hand at other hobbies.

How hard is it to go to Meetup.com and just find a group of people to talk to? Stop trying to get laid, stop trying to find a tRaDwIfE.

What you're all horrifically lacking in are basic social skills. I'm a guy and I don't even want to spend time with you. This coupled with the entitlement is just a level of cringe I can't even begin to fathom.

Nothing has changed with zoomers beyond a fundamental lack of conversation skills. If I can manage to engage zoomer boys and girls for hours on end on all sorts of topics that interest them, then clearly it's something else. It's like you all never bothered to make friends.

One of the best tips I ever learned was to not try and hit on every single women around. Instead, just have a conversation with everyone you meet. Women and men of all ages. No pressure. You can speak can you? Take a damn journalism 101 class and learn how to do an interview. Read, "How to win Friends and Influence People." Heck skip the class and just read the book. It's only 195 pages, half the size of the new testament.

Literal simple questions: Who, what, when, where, and why.

"I like your necklace is there a story behind it? Where did you get it?"

Relate back, " I have a watch from blah blah. It's really cool and reminds me of the design of your necklace. Pleasure talking, have a nice day!"

The old school advice of, "get hobbies, meet others, make friends" is still apt because it works. It always has worked. It still works and it doesn't work now because your intentions (I am entitled to a hot tradwife while I am a slob) seep through. People smell this a mile away and run.

On that note, what's wrong with a landwhale? Do you have good rapport with her? Does she fulfill any of your arbitrary tradwife qualities? Does she have good motherly qualities? Have you ever considered encouraging her to lose weight? Maybe try leading by example and taking her to work out with you. Gosh, what an innovative concept!

'It's like telling a starving disable African he's not entitled to food."

Don't even try to pull that crap. You aren't a crippled African in any sense of the word. I know thalidomide adults who have jenky AF arms who are happily married and lead fulfilling lives. Last I checked, your legs, arms, neck, eyes and brain work just fine. Autism is no excuse. I have autism and am happily married with children.

@placer really hit the nail on the head. Stop the porn, drop the weed, put away the video games, bath every day (holy crap I can't believe this needs to be said), eat healthy, and yes take some passion in your physical, mental, and spiritual health. It's really that simple.

Maybe Roosh's next book should be on how to do essentials like on placers post because clearly the majority of the parents of zoomers have failed to teach the basics like taking care of yourselves.
 
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The Prime Minister

Robin
Orthodox
It's unfortunate that all the negative replies are emotional ranting and boomer-type platitudes that completely sidestep the problems millions of young men are facing.

The question I have is simple, are things harder now in 2021 for young men compared to men in past decades? Yes or No? [getting relationships, housing market, education system, job market, etc.]

One young guy getting a wife is great. But that doesn't disprove the bleak situation for millions of other young men.

Why are Christians here lacking foresight and sympathy to see the difficulties young men are facing? How is this any different than how CNN and feminists treat young men?

Are all of us here really that blind?

May God have mercy on us all.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
We can't win as young men, we're trapped in a Catch-22.

If we aren't successful in getting a wife, we're told it's all our fault and we didn't work hard enough.
If we are successful in getting a wife (which is rare) and talk about how difficult it was, we're told to stop whining and complaining.

Christians are sabotaging their own young men. They say no sex out of wedlock, sex only through marriage.
Meanwhile they make marriage extremely difficult, expecting young men to have money/career in order to get married (that can take until your 30s).

Maybe the Amish are correct in getting teenage males and females married together in an arranged marriage.
This was probably how it was done in ancient times. The parents would do an arranged marriage so a young 17 year old man would get married to a 15-16 year old girl.

I don't think the legal sabotage of marriage outlined by Dalrock and the economic sabotage done by this fraud of an economy with government bailouts of wall street while punishing mainstreet is even done by Christian conservatives like you claim.

And having a problem with confining sex to wedlock is to oppose God who instituted said requirement for sex.

It's the failure to recognize signs of the times and adjusting accordingly and other boomer failings.

RINOs are only voted in because they are less bad than the alternatives but ultimately they are the same Uniparty. That's why they conveniently snatch defeat out of jaws of victory. Republicans are Democrats in slow motion.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
It's unfortunate that all the negative replies are emotional ranting and boomer-type platitudes that completely sidestep the problems millions of young men are facing.

The question I have is simple, are things harder now in 2021 for young men compared to men in past decades? Yes or No? [getting relationships, housing market, education system, job market, etc.]

One young guy getting a wife is great. But that doesn't disprove the bleak situation for millions of other young men.

Why are Christians here lacking foresight and sympathy to see the difficulties young men are facing? How is this any different than how CNN and feminists treat young men?

Are all of us here really that blind?

May God have mercy on us all.

On the other hand as VA Jackson experienced with those "Incel's" who have actually formed into those groups. Reject his solutions even when it had nothing to do with relationships with the opposite sex.

Dismissing it as "cope". It's like they want to wallow in misery rather than taking action to improve their lives or live virtuously at least.

Crabs in a bucket dragging each other down. Defeatism helps no one. It is practically a form of suicide and they by becoming this way about life in general outside of relations with the opposite sex have formed a suicide cult.

No wonder Elliot Rodger who frequented the PUAhate cesspool went on a murder spree. That type of general life Black pill comes from demons. Not from God.
 
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The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
It's unfortunate that all the negative replies are emotional ranting and boomer-type platitudes that completely sidestep the problems millions of young men are facing.

The question I have is simple, are things harder now in 2021 for young men compared to men in past decades? Yes or No? [getting relationships, housing market, education system, job market, etc.]

One young guy getting a wife is great. But that doesn't disprove the bleak situation for millions of other young men.

Why are Christians here lacking foresight and sympathy to see the difficulties young men are facing? How is this any different than how CNN and feminists treat young men?

Are all of us here really that blind?

May God have mercy on us all.
It is harder, but none of that precludes taking basic care of yourself, like showering, eating healthy, and actually interacting with others in this world on a basic level.

I met my wife not even a decade ago. We got married the year Donald Trump became president. This was peak RvF, game, RSD. That was 5 bloody years ago. I was in my late 20s. Really not young or that long ago by any stretch.

Calling taking basic care of yourself boomer platitudes is a pathetic cope.

The hardest lesson for me post high school and college was the fact that the world is bloody lonely.

It's not like friends, Big Bang Theory, or HIMYM. If you actually did what I said, you'd know that 99/100 interactions with randos you meet lead nowhere. Most people aren't worth your time.

The difference is, we actually go out and try to find that 1/100 person (man or woman) who is worth the time. Even sparsely.

I'm a millennial FFS. These are millennial tips on at least trying to live a passably
semi-normal life in modernity.

Honestly, you sound like you enjoy being miserable. When you're ready, we're here to help. Until then, that NGMI slothful attitude will lead to a self fulfilling prophecy.
 

ScannerLIV

Woodpecker
I shower without soap except certain regions, only scrubbing my body with bath sponge. Am I an incel? A volincel? Does it matter if I take a cold shower? Does that make me Chad? Clean body will obliterate all the degeneracy on my path and lands me a virgin wife yes? I even have a floating quacking duck in my soapy bubble bath, the edges alighted with candles. Sometimes he-although I'm not sure of preferred pronoun, I'll say "they" to be respectful- talks to me and give me profound redpill wisdoms. They is nice. They quacks a lot.

Legit questions
 

placer

Kingfisher
Protestant
  • Do you lift? Yes, this is a RedPill trope, but there’s a lot of truth to this. I am no jock, but once I was done crying because I was an incel, I took action, started with push ups, got a fitness book, starting watching my diet, going to the gym...and was dating a pretty girl 10 years younger than me within three months
  • Do you watch porn? If so, stop that now.
  • Do you engage in simping or oneitis? In other words, do you get romantic feelings for a woman without taking in to account whether she feels the same way?
  • Do you bathe and shower every day?
  • Do you have a healthy diet and have your weight under control?
  • Do you have your drinking and drug use under control? I myself do not drink or use illegal drugs at all
  • Do you work on expanding your social circle? Church youth groups and Bible studies are great places to meet new people.

It's unfortunate that all the negative replies are emotional ranting and boomer-type platitudes that completely sidestep the problems millions of young men are facing.

I mean do you honestly believe this kind of condescending advice is helpful in repairing the cultural degeneracy and the modern perversion of relationship dynamics.

Neither of you answered the questions. Another thing: Don’t smoke weed.

I don’t want to hear any of this Black Pill nonsense until when and if you guys are taking care of yourself. That means lifting. That means diet. That means losing weight. That means no drugs (that includes no weed) and no drunkenness. That means expanding your social circle. It also means bathing and showering every day, but that’s only one item on the list. Don’t be whining about how horrible the world is until when and if you are doing the entire list, not just one or two items on the list.

For the record, I was myself an incel who blamed the world for my lack of a wife. But I changed things: I got off my butt, and I did every single item on the above list. I didn’t skip even one of those items, and, guess what, I met a beautiful woman who wanted me and who became my wife. If I did it, so can you.

These aren’t boomer platitudes. I met my wife only a little over a decade ago. Other people here got married just five years ago.

Stop with the excuses and start with improving your life.
 
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