Indoctrination question

messaggera

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An observation about what it means to have students follow a formal curriculum would be to teach material that is aligned with a state or local set of standards to achieve. Unions and politicians determining curriculum.



And there are the problems. Society, culture, politics, etc. in this country do not value the family unit, but rather mock/degrade what God wants for humanity.

Familiar with the CA education system plans for sex education curriculum? These sources provide a synopsis of what is going on in CA:
Source 1 link
Source 2 link

And the Teach Unions are corrupt to the core, and are in full support with destroying families.
Unions are to teachers, as pharmaceutical companies are to pedestrians.

Ever hear of schools implementing TeenScreen, a project fully supported by the pharmaceutical company ? It was under the Bush administration and it is making a way back into the schools. Just in time as the [plandemic] has made some impact on our youths mental health.

pediatrician not pedestrians . oops

Unions are to teachers, as pharmaceutical companies are to pediatricians.
 

typtre

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We never had kids, and I grew up in the eighties when capitalism reigned. My immediate family has also always been extremely distrusting of the government and the world. As far back as the late seventies and early eighties my mom regularly announced homosexuals do not want equal rights, they want special rights. Mom knew what she was talking about, yeah?

So, how do you all think young people these days have been so completely compelled to actually believe the government is benign?? I know it happened in school, but how? I can’t conceive of believing that way.

I‘d love to ask this on the men’s forum too. I’ll search around for any discussion on the subject.
I have been linking to this site a lot now (at least it feels like it) but it is only because it is so good. Like he vacuumed everything and spit it out piece by piece in an organized order. So I will point you in this direction.


I encourage reading from the beginning. It is a lot to read. However, if you really want some answers this should not be a problem.

Just remember to pause and reflect.


The Roosh podcast where he did the slides last year (?) was very good as well, though not as exhaustive.


Then there's the r/K-selection theory which is an interesting take.
 
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Lamkins

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Wow!! I’m going to be busy for awhile!

You know, I came home furious from my first day of kindergarten that I hadn’t learned to read. In first grade I went from being shown how to read to reading at college level almost immediately. Before anyone thinks I’m a genius I’m a dunce at math. I learned long division (in third grade...?), and here in my early fifties I can honestly say I’ve used none of any other education I received. Reading and basic math, that’s it. If I’d pursued a career obviously I’d have also pursued specialized skills, but for daily life for an average person my education was useless after about third grade. I was never bullied or ostracized and had friends, but my gosh, I hated every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year of school.Even back then I saw no point once I learned to read. That was the only reason I was there, lol.
 

dragonfire00

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I do not believe children need formal, structured education at all -- but that certainly doesn't mean it's BAD for them. Home-based education built around the structures of household and family is good. It should be part of the parents' relationship with their children, not a "program" the parents have to get on board with and adapt to, to meet the requirements of a third party.

My state is pretty strict about homeschooling. The laws changed when I was high-school aged, and now in order to teach your children at home without oversight by the district (and imposition of their curriculum requirements), you have to jump through a set of hoops, or have a certain amount of college credit. I literally went to college, and STAYED in college (and I NEVER wanted to go to college in the first place), so that my own children would never have to be subject to the retardation of the public education system.

I think the format set forth in the public school system ought to be scrapped and ridiculed, rather than emulated by or imposed on parents in their homes. Truth be told, I almost never sit my children down and make them "study" anything. I don't really CARE what the state says they ought to have been taught by X years of age. That's the premise they established early on to eventually usher in Tranny Reading Hour.
I'm thinking of going and getting a teaching degree/certification for this reason. My state doesn't have requirements like that but I'm concerned they are going to make more hoops and eventually make it illegal to homeschool unless they are doing the zoom state BS (for the life of me I don't understand why parents at home are letting their kids do public zoom over homeschool it makes zero sense if they are already at home anyway) since you know the goal is to ensure total control of the kids education. I believe some European countries already made homeschooling illegal like Germany. If my kids were a little older I wouldn't worry but they are infant and toddler age...
 

Kitty Tantrum

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I'm thinking of going and getting a teaching degree/certification for this reason.
I think any woman who is in a position to do this without incurring debt (leastways not any substantial debt) ought to seriously consider it.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that we should be required to obtain ANY kind of "qualification" simply to teach and raise our own children -- but the education system is absolutely one of the key weapons used against us in the cultural and spiritual war. The tyrants are trying to crack down on and ultimately eliminate our various avenues for "opting out" of sending our kids to the indoctrination camps, so our only realistic option moving forward may be to undertake a subversive endeavor of our own more or less.
 

Lamkins

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I think any woman who is in a position to do this without incurring debt (leastways not any substantial debt) ought to seriously consider it.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that we should be required to obtain ANY kind of "qualification" simply to teach and raise our own children -- but the education system is absolutely one of the key weapons used against us in the cultural and spiritual war. The tyrants are trying to crack down on and ultimately eliminate our various avenues for "opting out" of sending our kids to the indoctrination camps, so our only realistic option moving forward may be to undertake a subversive endeavor of our own more or less.

Can I be your friend?? I love your attitude!
 

dragonfire00

Robin
Woman
Protestant
I think any woman who is in a position to do this without incurring debt (leastways not any substantial debt) ought to seriously consider it.

It is OUTRAGEOUS that we should be required to obtain ANY kind of "qualification" simply to teach and raise our own children -- but the education system is absolutely one of the key weapons used against us in the cultural and spiritual war. The tyrants are trying to crack down on and ultimately eliminate our various avenues for "opting out" of sending our kids to the indoctrination camps, so our only realistic option moving forward may be to undertake a subversive endeavor of our own more or less.
Oh yeah totally agreed on all fronts...I already have my bachelors so I think it would be doable for a part time 2-3 year not too expensive plan. It's totally outrageous as I know and went to school with women who became elementary school teachers and they all performed quite average academically (liberal arts classes aren't that hard either), and weren't very intelligent outside of school. This strange obsession with credentialism and thoughts that teachers are all omniscient beings that shouldn't be questioned (like scientists and doctors) is bizarre.
 

Starlight

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Familiar with the CA education system plans for sex education curriculum? These sources provide a synopsis of what is going on in CA:
Source 1 link
Source 2 link
To be fair, this isn’t entirely accurate. The law states that public schools need to “provide” health education. They do not decide on the curriculum, that is chosen by each separate school district by a panel of teachers and the law states that the parents can opt out of any of the programs. My kids’ school district (which has 30k+ students) chose a fairly typical health/sex ed curriculum which is based on abstinence and is age appropriate, though we did opt out of them.

As to the teachers union, I couldn’t imagine not having a union when the government is your employer. Good luck ever getting a raise.
 

messaggera

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To be fair, this isn’t entirely accurate. The law states that public schools need to “provide” health education. They do not decide on the curriculum, that is chosen by each separate school district by a panel of teachers and the law states that the parents can opt out of any of the programs. My kids’ school district (which has 30k+ students) chose a fairly typical health/sex ed curriculum which is based on abstinence and is age appropriate, though we did opt out of them.

As to the teachers union, I couldn’t imagine not having a union when the government is your employer. Good luck ever getting a raise.

Thank you for sharing Starlight.

The California Department of Education (CDE), Instructional Quality Commission (IQC), and State Board of Education (SBE) adopted the 2019 Health Education Curriculum Framework for California Public Schools, Transitional Kindergarten Through Grade Twelve (Health Education Framework) on May 8, 2019.

State Framework
Here is the 2019 Health Education framework revised https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/he/cf/index.asp and listed by grade level.
Individuals can review for themselves to see the system's proposed content.

For sex education, the topic that generated opposition, the framework offers numerous subjects for discussion at each grade grouping, including:
  • Grades kindergarten through three: gender identity
  • Grades four through six: sexual feelings, including masturbation
  • Grades seven through eight: consent and sexual abuse
  • Grades nine through 12: contraception and healthy sexual relationships, including advice for LGBTQ students Washington Post Article Link

Progressive lobbyists do influence Board Members, as one of the articles stated: Planned Parenthood, ACLU.
CAIR has also been known to lobby within the CA school system.

Teachers and Unions

Teachers are given academic freedom to teach the content, and for some teachers this allows the opportunity to personally interject political or/and social issues to an extreme.

Teacher Unions criticize School Choice; that in itself is a red flag.
Teachers working in private and charter schools in the United states are typically NOT unionized.
Data pulled can show student progression differences between unionized and nonunionized schools.

Just an observation with working with unions.
 

messaggera

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So, how do you all think young people these days have been so completely compelled to actually believe the government is benign?? I know it happened in school, but how?

Here is a typical example of a University Associate Professor in a Communication degree program. Although it is an opinion the justification reeks of indoctrination. This is the type of individual lecturing current university students.


Here are some of her opinion points from the article about Gorsuch not wearing a mask, and men are keeping women from participating in society because of it:

  • an unusually ugly spectacle at the US Supreme Court
  • the episode was a shocking display of male entitlement
  • children in Virginia have the opportunity to follow Gorsuch's lead in displaying gross disregard for the welfare of others
  • the alarming decision stands to be particularly devastating for women
  • The mentality that it is OK to make women feel massively uncomfortable in public settings

Gorsuch's choice not to mask up was an act of the same variety as men who "manspread" on the subway by sitting with their legs apart so there isn't legroom for the person next to them or use "bro language" like referring to their sexual exploits in the workplace. This kind of behavior often makes women feel uncomfortable and even unwelcome in public settings, including their places of work. In the case of Gorsuch's disregard for Sotomayor, it was particularly inappropriate because not wearing a mask posed a potential threat to her health.

Who will bear the brunt of the burden? Mothers, of course, who throughout this pandemic have largely been the ones sacrificing their own careers and mental health to care for out-of-school kids.

Because masks aren't mandated in my local supermarket, I don't feel safe bringing my baby inside to pick up groceries. Therefore, like many moms of little ones, when I'm not at work, I practically live under house arrest these days.

Her opinion and supporting argument seems to be based off the following studies:
While plenty of women don't wear masks or support public masking, a study in the academic journal Politics & Gender found an association between masculinity and an aversion to mask wearing, which suggests that men are less likely to wear masks. Women, on the other hand, tend to be more risk averse on matters related to our health according to a study published in the journal Socius: Sociological Research for a Dynamic World.

The study used the Masculine Role Norms Index (Levant et al. Reference Levant, Rankin, Williams, Hasan and Smalley2010) . And the second study consisted of the following sample:

Importantly, because the majority of our participants are college students younger than 30 (Table 2), our findings highlight that even women who have yet to assume conventional roles characterized by caregiving, specifically motherhood and marriage, have become immersed in care work during the pandemic. Meanwhile, men are protected from the anxieties that women experience because of their distance from care work.

And her closing thoughts:

Enough is enough. We as a society have to demand that men stop using their positions of power to keep women from exercising our own power and participating fully in our society. This starts by calling out behavior like going maskless in public places for what it really is: a display of staggering entitlement that should leave people of all genders outraged.
:rolleyes:

According to the writer's background she was a "spokeswoman for international affairs in the Treasury Department during the Obama administration."
 

messaggera

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So, how do you all think young people these days have been so completely compelled to actually believe the government is benign??
Education is primarily a State and local responsibility in the United States


This is a great article worth reading. The article attempts to expose progressive messaging within public school systems; and to propose the question: Who has authority over children? From where does this authority derive? And, along a similar vein, what are children for?


Having returned to America after fifteen years in Pakistan, Mehreen Kasana has noticed a cultural trend that stands out against the background of a middle eastern experience. As she shared on Twitter this week, she sees in American culture “an unrelenting disrespect for the parent-child bond. It’s increasingly spearheaded by teachers under the auspices of progressivism, and it’s clearly fracturing something extremely delicate and hard to repair.”

Exposes activists employed as schoolteachers who use their platforms to access children and magnify the message that sexual deviancy and racial hatred are the true and only foundation of a proper modern curriculum.
 

Elspeth

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We never had kids, and I grew up in the eighties when capitalism reigned. My immediate family has also always been extremely distrusting of the government and the world. As far back as the late seventies and early eighties my mom regularly announced homosexuals do not want equal rights, they want special rights. Mom knew what she was talking about, yeah?

So, how do you all think young people these days have been so completely compelled to actually believe the government is benign?? I know it happened in school, but how? I can’t conceive of believing that way.

I‘d love to ask this on the men’s forum too. I’ll search around for any discussion on the subject.

As someone who was home-schooled their entire life, and then received formal, higher education while pursuing a career in the military, I learned a lot of things about the world that I didn't previously know.

A lot of people tout that the government is corrupt, and they're right -- but so is everything else that involves human beings, because a lot of human beings are selfish, and will prefer to do things in their own best interest. However, that doesn't mean that those same human beings are evil (in the sense of being selfish even at the expense of others' wellbeing). Now perhaps a lot of those selfish people are, but there are always outliers in nature. Regardless, it should come as no surprise to anyone that the government has corrupt people in it. The whole point of a good government is one that is structured in a way that helps mitigate or reduce human corruption, not one that doesn't have any, because that simply doesn't exist.

Most people want special rights, no matter who they are. There is no "agenda" in the sense that one group has one and another one doesn't, regardless of which group has the most influence, the most resources, or is currently the most trendy. For instance, there's a reason why curriculum for public education doesn't include how to build one's wealth in modern society, because wealthy people are not as good taxpayers as those who aren't. Therefore, it's reasoned by those currently in governmental offices that it wouldn't be in the government's best interest to finance the education of those skills for its citizens.

When it comes to indoctrination, this is a term that requires a lot of unboxing because it carries very different meanings for different people. Indoctrination implies the direct practice of social, cognitive coercion, and/or committed by one in authority over another. Would leaving some education out for a student who is still maturing cognitively count as indoctrination? Maybe, or maybe not. What about encouraging practices that are in contradiction to one's religious beliefs, versus simply the acceptance and fair treatment of others that differ in those beliefs? Yes, most likely. The thing is, if one doesn't like the curriculum being used for public education, or even some private education, one can homeschool using a variety of methods and resources that are available today. A good government (federally and/or locally) allows the option.

Overall, here's the thing: a lot of people who think that corruption doesn't exist, whether that's in a nation's government or in the wider world in general, are simply young and/or have not yet experienced the world. It may be that those kinds of people, because of their youth, may simply be like this because of their youth/inexperience, and not because of the education that they receive. Much like a lot of people on this forum that had public education, or were homeschooled, in their youth, right?
 
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messaggera

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The thing is, if one doesn't like the curriculum being used for public education, or even some private education, one can homeschool using a variety of methods and resources that are available today.

Hi Elspeth. Hope all is well.

Is this your opinion, as it relates to teaching children in the schools, about homosexuality and transgenderism?

Let me rephrase the question for a binary answer. Should government schools teach children sexual orientation, transsexualism, and transvestism under the label sex education curriculum?

Government schools are tax funded; which one could argue comes from productive members of society. Creating mental health issues is not beneficial for society. Would you disagree with this argument?
 

Elspeth

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Hi Elspeth. Hope all is well.

Is this your opinion, as it relates to teaching children in the schools, about homosexuality and transgenderism?

Let me rephrase the question for a binary answer. Should government schools teach children sexual orientation, transsexualism, and transvestism under the label sex education curriculum?

Government schools are tax funded; which one could argue comes from productive members of society. Creating mental health issues is not beneficial for society. Would you disagree with this argument?
Hey Messaggera. All is well, thanks for asking. Hope the same for yourself.

No, I don't think tax-funded, public education should include sexual orientation, transsexualism, and transvestism as "sex education" -- however, I do think it should be taught under the label of "culture" (similar to how schools may label Scriptural education as "Biblical Literature"). I'm a strong advocate for separation of Church and State because of my stance on free-will, both philosophically and theologically. If it exists and people are doing it, it should be taught, but within the appropriate context that doesn't interfere with a parent's decision to raise their own child. I don't think the government should have any role in the moral upbringing of a child, since that should be the parent(s') job.

Also, I never said that those in governmental offices were smart, haha. Have a cup of coffee with me for an hour, and you'd hear the lot of it.
 
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Lawrence87

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So, how do you all think young people these days have been so completely compelled to actually believe the government is benign?
I think some of it is imparted through how CRT and such is taught. It's like they are saying "look, we aren't like those guys before who had slaves and did all this terrible stuff, we've moved on and we actually care about people".

The same with the endless pandering to people's patheticism. "Oh you're a bit anxious about something, here go to the safe room and cuddle a teddy"

All of this stuff enforces the idea that the authorities are benign like an overbearing hippy mother.
 

messaggera

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So, how do you all think young people these days have been so completely compelled to actually believe the government is benign?? I know it happened in school, but how? I can’t conceive of believing that way.

The government uses the youth as pawns:

White House officials have held a special briefing on the conflict in Ukraine for some 30 social media creators, the US media have reported, adding that the Biden administration is increasingly exploring new means of communication to get its message across to younger audiences.

The briefing was held on Thursday by the White House National Security Council special adviser for communications, Matt Miller, and White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. The officials explained the US “strategic goals in the region” and answered questions about US aid to Ukraine, about NATO and Washington’s potential reaction to a Russian nuclear strike, addressing the social media creators on a zoom call, The Washington Post has reported on Friday.

 

messaggera

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Hey Messaggera. All is well, thanks for asking. Hope the same for yourself.

No, I don't think tax-funded, public education should include sexual orientation, transsexualism, and transvestism as "sex education" -- however, I do think it should be taught under the label of "culture" (similar to how schools may label Scriptural education as "Biblical Literature"). I'm a strong advocate for separation of Church and State because of my stance on free-will, both philosophically and theologically. If it exists and people are doing it, it should be taught, but within the appropriate context that doesn't interfere with a parent's decision to raise their own child. I don't think the government should have any role in the moral upbringing of a child, since that should be the parent(s') job.

Also, I never said that those in governmental offices were smart, haha. Have a cup of coffee with me for an hour, and you'd hear the lot of it.

Sorry Elspeth - must have missed this from some time ago.

Just to clarify your judgment: Since homosexality and transgenderism exists and individudals are "doing it," sexual orientation and gender identity/expression should be taught in the schools?
 

Atlas Shrugged

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I don’t know where to post this but the indoctrination thread seemed alright. Just watched what is a woman. I was laughing at some parts and shocked at others. How are these people professionals and don’t even know what a woman is and think it’s ok to abuse kids with hormones and surgeries. It’s free on odyssey.
 

Ah_Tibor

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I don’t know where to post this but the indoctrination thread seemed alright. Just watched what is a woman. I was laughing at some parts and shocked at others. How are these people professionals and don’t even know what a woman is and think it’s ok to abuse kids with hormones and surgeries. It’s free on odyssey.

I think it's a ploy to sterilize the mentally ill (and use them as guinea pigs).

If the past few years have taught me anything, it's that most people just follow a conditioned response.
 

Starlight

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I don’t know where to post this but the indoctrination thread seemed alright. Just watched what is a woman. I was laughing at some parts and shocked at others. How are these people professionals and don’t even know what a woman is and think it’s ok to abuse kids with hormones and surgeries. It’s free on odyssey.
I think a lot of them are toeing the line and don’t want to get fired.
 
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