Is being a Republican Red Pill?

[Flint]

"Truth" is highly subjective.

Let me restate it then...the red pill stands for ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Nobody can agree to what "the truth" is. And if that were the case, we'd have a one party system.

Absolute truth doesn't require agreement or consensus. It just IS because it's true.

That's a bold statement, my friend. I hope you can provide a sound argumentation that proves your "absolute truth" if anyone ever asks you for that. Given the many disagreements over various issues we see on this forum, you're putting yourself on a very high position here.

 

[K Galt]

"Truth" is highly subjective.

Let me restate it then...the red pill stands for ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Nobody can agree to what "the truth" is. And if that were the case, we'd have a one party system.

Absolute truth doesn't require agreement or consensus. It just IS because it's true.

That's a bold statement, my friend. I hope you can provide a sound argumentation that proves your "absolute truth" if anyone ever asks you for that. Given the many disagreements over various issues we see on this forum, you're putting yourself on a very high position here.

Seems like every day somebody here or elsewhere in the manosphere wants to define "the red pill" in subjective terms.

My point is for folks to understand that "red pill" is just an allegory, and the makers of the movie The Matrix actually borrowed the concept from Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

There is truth, and there is lies. It's a black and white concept. We can argue whether something is true or not, but if it is TRUTH, whatever we argue about will not change the basic nature of it.

 

[Shotgun Styles]

"Truth" is highly subjective.

Let me restate it then...the red pill stands for ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

Nobody can agree to what "the truth" is. And if that were the case, we'd have a one party system.

Absolute truth doesn't require agreement or consensus. It just IS because it's true.

You are conflating the words "truth" and "fact".

Truth is always subject to perspective. Facts on the other hand can be tested and measured.

 

[K Galt]

You are conflating the words "truth" and "fact".

No, I'm saying there is a difference between absolute truth and relative truth.

Absolute truth IS facts.

 

[Shotgun Styles]

You are conflating the words "truth" and "fact".

No, I'm saying there is a difference between absolute truth and relative truth.

Absolute truth IS facts.

Ok, let's try this a different way.

Name an "absolute truth". Now if it's absolutely true, then everyone should agree on it because there is no other possible perspective.

So go ahead. Name us just one "absolute truth".

 

[Sawyer]

You are conflating the words "truth" and "fact".

No, I'm saying there is a difference between absolute truth and relative truth.

Absolute truth IS facts.

Ok, let's try this a different way.

Name an "absolute truth". Now if it's absolutely true, then everyone should agree on it because there is no other possible perspective.

So go ahead. Name us just one "absolute truth".

I've been thinking about this. It would be good to find a baseline.

How about this: A decent man doesn't want his daughter to ride the carousel.

Or this: It is better for a man to make his own way.

 

[speakeasy]

You are conflating the words "truth" and "fact".

No, I'm saying there is a difference between absolute truth and relative truth.

Absolute truth IS facts.

Ok, let's try this a different way.

Name an "absolute truth". Now if it's absolutely true, then everyone should agree on it because there is no other possible perspective.

So go ahead. Name us just one "absolute truth".

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[K Galt]

1+1=2

 

[speakeasy]

1+1=2

I think he meant along the lines of political and social sciences, not hard sciences. Of course everyone can agree that 1+1 is 2 and water freezes at 0 Celsius. But try and get Keynesian and Austrian economists in a room and figure out who has the "truth". Good luck with that.

 

[kosko]

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[Shotgun Styles]

I've been thinking about this. It would be good to find a baseline.

How about this: A decent man doesn't want his daughter to ride the carousel.

Or this: It is better for a man to make his own way.

I disagree on both accounts.

I'm a decent man, I have a daughter. But I don't believe in either sexual repression or monogamy. If my daughter wants to chase dick, all I care about is that she's happy. If being a player makes her happy, then so be it.

And many men are very happy to congregate. Camaraderie is very important for some guys. Going their own way would only make them lonely.

1+1=2

You're dodging the issue here. Basic mathematics are fact.They can be measured and tested. Gravity is a fact. It can also be measured and tested. We covered this already.

You stated that, in the context of "red pill" thought there was such a thing as "Absolute truth". So name us a "red pill" "absolute truth".

 

[K Galt]

Shotgun asked: Name an "absolute truth". Now if it's absolutely true, then everyone should agree on it because there is no other possible perspective.

So go ahead. Name us just one "absolute truth".

1+1=2 answers that one quite nicely.

By you trying to reframe the question, "I think he meant along the lines of political and social sciences, not hard sciences." is an exercise in relative truth.

But that's neither here nor there.

Let me state it another way.

Let's say 1+1=2 is an equation expressing the basic qualities of men that women find attractive.

But we all live in a culture that teaches us that 1+1=3 (women want nice guys!), and anyone who suggests otherwise is a "misogynist."

For all who are raised to believe in the relative truth that 1+1=3, all of us who keep saying, no it doesn't, 1+1=2 (i.e. "Game Works!), they are arguing relative truth and ignoring absolute truth.

 

[K Galt]

You stated that, in the context of "red pill" thought there was such a thing as "Absolute truth". So name us a "red pill" "absolute truth".

I stated that the Red Pill IS Absolute Truth.

 

[Shotgun Styles]

This would be alot easier if you'd used the forum's quote system.

Just saying.

Shotgun asked: Name an "absolute truth". Now if it's absolutely true, then everyone should agree on it because there is no other possible perspective.

So go ahead. Name us just one "absolute truth".

1+1=2 answers that one quite nicely.

By you trying to reframe the question, "I think he meant along the lines of political and social sciences, not hard sciences." is an exercise in relative truth.

What are you Obi Wan Kenobi? You think you can Jedi Mind Trick me into ignoring the fact that you changed the context from "red pill" to mathematics in order to get out of the corner you painted yourself into? Nice try, but you ain't slick. Now give us one of your "red pill" "absolute truths".

Or can you?

Let's say 1+1=2 is an equation expressing the basic qualities of men that women find attractive.

Read Soup's "Ass" thread. You can't get three guys on this forum to agree on what men find attractive.

But we all live in a culture that teaches us that 1+1=3 (women want nice guys!), and anyone who suggests otherwise is a "misogynist."

Again, not absolute. Some girls do actually like nice guys, and marry them. But those women are rare. Also, I'd argue that you can be a nice guy and slay with women, so long as you're not a weak guy. You also have to choose a decent woman in the first place.

So again, no absolute truth here. Much grey area.

For all who are raised to believe in the relative truth that 1+1=3, all of us who keep saying, no it doesn't, 1+1=2 (i.e. "Game Works!), they are arguing relative truth and ignoring absolute truth.

More assumptions. There are lots of guys who got lucky and landed decent women without game. So even game itself is not an absolute truth. Game also fails, which is why volume and numbers are important. Because NOTHING works every time all the time.

You stated that, in the context of "red pill" thought there was such a thing as "Absolute truth". So name us a "red pill" "absolute truth".

I stated that the Red Pill IS Absolute Truth.

That is a non-sequitur. That's like me saying that America is the Absolute truth, but refusing to define why that is, which is exactly what you've done here. Your posts are filled with obvious logical fallacies. Either you're a troll or you need to spend more time reading and less time posting.

 

[la_mode]

This would be alot easier if you'd used the forum's quote system.

Just saying.

Using that phrase puts you within standard deviation of a sassy fat woman or Vanilla Ice. Take your pick.

 

[K Galt]

What are you Obi Wan Kenobi? You think you can Jedi Mind Trick me into ignoring the fact that you changed the context from "red pill" to mathematics in order to get out of the corner you painted yourself into? Nice try, but you ain't slick. Now give us one of your "red pill" "absolute truths".

I see what you're getting at.

Sorry, don't play that game.

Just for clarity to those who read and comment here at RVF, I will try and clarify my thoughts here:

The OP was a variation of the question oft debated here - what is the red pill?

I stated that the red pill was simply the truth.

Then others started saying the truth is relative, so I restated that the red pill is absolute truth.

Then Shotgun challenges me to provide an example of absolute truth (arguing for the idea that absolute truth does not exist).

So I gave an example of absolute truth....thereby proving it exists.

It's not changing the subject to mathematics. It's pointing out the most easily grasped concept anyone can see is a good example of the existence of absolute truth.

You can disagree and insult me, but you're failure to grasp the basic logic of my argument is not my problem.

Your posts are filled with obvious logical fallacies.

Project much?

"Either you're a troll or you need to spend more time reading and less time posting."

So says the member who joined only 2 and a half months ago and has more than double the posts I've got...

 

[Hencredible Casanova]

Politics are blue pill.

The real action happens behind the curtain.

Seriously...partisan hacks are utterly annoying and never fail to miss the mark.

You saw this in the aftermath of Mandela's funeral. Conservatives lambasting Obama for taking 'selfies' with the Danish PM, and liberals countering with a photo Bush took with Bono.

Meanwhile...this is what really went down.

The Obamas and Bushes having a heart to heart on Air Force One en route to South Africa. Obama invited Bush as his guest.

Bush entertaining Hillary Clinton, Valerie Jarrett (Obama's political advisor), Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, Susan Rice, and Eric Holder (Attorney General) with photos of his paintings.

 

[Sawyer]

^^ So how can you recognize this and still favor big government?

 

[Hencredible Casanova]

^^ So how can you recognize this and still favor big government?

What does a sitting President and former President behaving civilly towards each other have to do with how I feel about a policy issue such as health care?

 

[Sawyer]

So what point were you trying to make except that both parties are the same at the top?