Is Boeing losing the ability to make airplanes?

Solitarius

Robin
Catholic
Perhaps "diversity" will balance it all out after all. When the poorly designed plane starts heading downward a witch doctor with a bone through his nose imported from Africa will be alerted; Bongo Mkombogojo will wave & shake his spear whilst shouting "Bwana simba jumbo mkele mbembe limpopo induna ngoro!" whereupon the plane will realise that it's being terribly racist by malfunctioning & thereby putting its "diverse" designers in a bad light & will resume its course & land begging forgiveness ha ha.
 

holgerdanske

Woodpecker
Catholic
That's what the Establishment want, though. To make international plane travel such a pain in the neck, that most men from the West, will stop travelling and stay put. And therefore, not see or experience freedom and warrior's s life, which nowadays only still exist outside of the gay Western world (except a few Bible-belt US States that still offer manly freedom). Hence the war on airplanes/carbon print.

Meanwhile, don't worry, all the 3d world hungry young men will travel by foot, boat or whatever, to invade and pillage resources and make cheap labor force, as mere inconveniences are nothing to them.

Personnally, Covid or not, I've been travelling quite extensively the world, unvaxed, generally dodging Pcrs, or if necessary, enduring a few PCRs. The Evil Establishment won't keep me "hunkered down", even though they might steal a few hours/quarantine days of my life, and occasionally probe, in vain, my well-cleaned nose.
Oh I don't mind driving ;-)
 

Mountaineer

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
Gold Member
It’s also been alleged by some that the entire 737 Max issues that resulted in two of those planes crashing had all of their avionics software written by Indian software developers in India that had no experience writing aviation software.
I wouldn't even trust an Indian with a shovel. If this is true then Boeing executives should be directly responsible for these deaths.
 

Garuda

Pelican
Protestant
Yes. Like many corporations, incompetent people have gotten into positions they should not be in and have kicked most competent people out for job security. To make themselves look good, they focus on the bottom line while ignoring any potential for fallout. The worst thing is that there is no real impetus for Boeing to change as the government let it off the hook for the Max disasters.



What is going with it in South Carolina is very similar to a scandal involving DynCorp where that company was found to be hiring anyone to fix military aircraft.
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
Boeing's problems can be traced back to the merger with McDonnell-Douglas. Prior to that, Boeing was truly an aeronautical engineer's company and the product showed. MDD, on the other hand, was struggling and very corporate heavy-handed. Boeing's C Suite became dominated by MDD folks and the smart ones - like Alan Mulally - left or were pushed out.

Many at Boeing say MDD bought Boeing with Boeing's own money. That seems to hold true today and bombastic but unqualified CEOs like Harry Stonecipher - who slashed budgets across the board, imperiously fought with Boeing senior staff, and quizzically moved corporate HQ to Chicago - led to problems like the MAX.
 
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Boeing's problems can be traced back to the merger with McDonnell-Douglas. Prior to that, Boeing was truly an aeronautical engineer's company and the product showed. MDD, on the other hand, was struggling and very corporate heavy-handed. Boeing's C Suite became dominated by MDD folks and the smart ones - like Alan Mulally - left or were pushed out.

Many at Boeing say MDD bought Boeing with Boeing's own money. That seems to hold true today and bombastic but unqualified CEOs like Harry Stonecipher - who slashed budgets across the board, imperiously fought with Boeing senior staff, and quizzically moved corporate HQ to Chicago - led to problems like the MAX.
This. I just watched the Netflix documentary "DOWNFALLL: The Case Against Boeing" last week. It tells the behind the scenes story of the two fatal crashes of the 737 MAX in 2018 killed almost 400 people combined. Boeing added a "safety" feature called MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System). There is a sensor near the nose of the 737 MAX that measures angle of attack. Boeing engineers discovered that in steep climbs the plane could stall. If the MCAS is measuring the angle of attack that is too steep a signal is sent to the level the plane. The issue is that the MCAS gave false data causing the plane to nose dive thinking the plane was in a steep climb and stalling when it was not. The pilots literally could not pull the plane up as the plane's mechanical systems were literally fighting them. The outrageous part is that Boeing decided to not inform the various pilots associations about MCAS when it was first installed so the pilots were never trained on this new system. Boeing was legendary for its focus and commitment to safety and quality. That went out the window with the 1997 merger with McDonald Douglass as the new bean counters took over. In the documentary they interviewed quite a few former Boeing employees and they all talk about how the company culture changed drastically after the merger.

 
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paternos

Woodpecker
Catholic
In the last 30 years i have seen the working culture decline at a very fast pace.

There had been a rapid change of values in large corporate organisations, it has become more important:
- to be "visible" in the organisation than to do good work
- to be a generalist (that's growth and higher paid) than be a specialist
- to work 3/4 days a week to take care of the kids partly than to work every day
- to hire diversity (more blacks, arabs, indians) than to have a strong team of the best engineers from a local engineering university that understands eachother
- to have fun than to be good
- hire women than to hire men (they say females heavy organisations are more succesful)
- to be socially accepted (be woke) than to make great products
- to have blacks and women in teams than to build safe plans
- to study what you like than to study what you are good at
- to change jobs every 2 years than to become really good at what you do
- to fly migrants to Europe than to fly Europeans safely around (proof below)
- excessive government power to push this agenda

It's not consumer driven, if you would ask anyone, would you rather fly in a good and safe plane or in a plane made by women and a woke diverse team? the answer is clear.

It goes so quick as the last generation of hard working, loyal Christian white engineers who ended up leading the company has stopped to work in the last 20 years. They are replaced by women, indians, blacks and arabs, a managerial class who have very other priorities than to build great planes.

It has become a humiliating experience for well willing, smart, hard working men to work in large corporate organisations as these. They leave in droves for that reason.

We don't have to look far. Boeing tells us what they do. Look at the annual report. (I wasn't exaggerating, this company looks like hell on earth)


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Does this look like a team of smart engineers? Is there anyone who believes adding more blacks, arabs and women to your team will bring quality?


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Crazy88

Robin
Other Christian
Do we have any explanation yet as to why this happened? The 737 has been around for a very long time, is one of the most traveled airplanes in service and has a good safety record. it doesn't have the same issues with the MAX.
This is apparently a still shot of the plane going straight down, nose first. It lost 20,000 feet in less than a minute and crashed on a mountainous area. The impact pretty much vaporized the poor souls onboard, truly terrifying way to go.

Someone commented that planes don’t go down in this manner (vertical angle) unless both wings have broken off. I’m not an aviation expert, so no idea if that’s true or whether it was an intentional act by the pilots?
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Towgunner

Kingfisher
Many of us think the entropy vector is leading us to disaster. However, unlike other vectors, such as our failing monetary policy, this vector could take more time to unfold. I can see why that could be the case, especially with the levels of technology and automation we have today. That being said, when you see the magnitude of things like "diversity" and "esg" and "women mandates on BODs" I think the case for an expedited entropy decline is valid. For instance, many F100 companies have implemented hiring policies that mandate 50% of all new hires MUST be "diverse". Big surprise...these percentages are going to possibly 65% this year. Policies like this have been in effect for decades, but, they've gone hyperbolic since the socialist revolt of 2020. Diversity is at best mutually exclusive from merit, but, I think it's more than that and is, in fact, an anti-merit force. Merit and competency are, frankly, elements of "whiteness" and as we all know "whiteness" is being eradicated. Of course, things like punctuality and work ethic are also "whiteness". Basically, the ingredients of success have been either diluted or outright canceled in the name of equality of outcomes. That's why Boeing cannot make a decent airplane anymore.

If this were just Boeing, which is bad enough, after all, it's only an airplane flying at 30,000 feet at 500 knots, that would be one thing and, I suppose, isolated. But, it's not that at all. This is systemic. Equity policies are infecting every aspect of our economy including even medicine, which is most alarming. Personally, I've started to notice simple everyday products are either poorly made or designed. So, I think the entropy factor, on its own, will collapse a lot sooner. But, at this stage, there are several other vectors that are on the verge of collapsing too, so, what difference will it make.
 
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bucky

Hummingbird
Other Christian
In the last 30 years i have seen the working culture decline at a very fast pace.

There had been a rapid change of values in large corporate organisations, it has become more important:
- to be "visible" in the organisation than to do good work
- to be a generalist (that's growth and higher paid) than be a specialist
- to work 3/4 days a week to take care of the kids partly than to work every day
- to hire diversity (more blacks, arabs, indians) than to have a strong team of the best engineers from a local engineering university that understands eachother
- to have fun than to be good
- hire women than to hire men (they say females heavy organisations are more succesful)
- to be socially accepted (be woke) than to make great products
- to have blacks and women in teams than to build safe plans
- to study what you like than to study what you are good at
- to change jobs every 2 years than to become really good at what you do
- to fly migrants to Europe than to fly Europeans safely around (proof below)
- excessive government power to push this agenda

It's not consumer driven, if you would ask anyone, would you rather fly in a good and safe plane or in a plane made by women and a woke diverse team? the answer is clear.

It goes so quick as the last generation of hard working, loyal Christian white engineers who ended up leading the company has stopped to work in the last 20 years. They are replaced by women, indians, blacks and arabs, a managerial class who have very other priorities than to build great planes.

It has become a humiliating experience for well willing, smart, hard working men to work in large corporate organisations as these. They leave in droves for that reason.

We don't have to look far. Boeing tells us what they do. Look at the annual report. (I wasn't exaggerating, this company looks like hell on earth)


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Does this look like a team of smart engineers? Is there anyone who believes adding more blacks, arabs and women to your team will bring quality?


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Yes, this does make Boeing look like corporate hell. The part about "Embracing Unique Perspectives" through the "Ethics Ambassador Program" illustrated with the picture of the scowling, masked Indian woman is particularly chilling.
 

paternos

Woodpecker
Catholic
Yes, this does make Boeing look like corporate hell. The part about "Embracing Unique Perspectives" through the "Ethics Ambassador Program" illustrated with the picture of the scowling, masked Indian woman is particularly chilling.

The face of death "fostering a culture of compliance". That's our value. Fostering a culture of compliance.

I just pinched myself, it's real, they really write it down.

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ed pluribus unum

Ostrich
Protestant
Someone commented that planes don’t go down in this manner (vertical angle) unless both wings have broken off. I’m not an aviation expert, so no idea if that’s true or whether it was an intentional act by the pilots?

My basic understanding is that aircraft in general are default designed to fly - even with zero engine power an airliner at altitude can glide for an astonishing distance. Even with part or all of a wing missing, it will still try to fly (or flutter like a falling leaf, if you will) until g-forces break it apart into smaller chunks. To point straight down like that requires forcing the control column forward and holding it there. It could be that the wings were shorn off completely since they are not at all visible in the albeit very brief video segment.

I feel for the poor souls on board and hope that they all passed out quickly and were not aware of their descent.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
Related to this topic, I must say I'm speechless on how rapid the adoption of "esg" has been. I come across this all the time because I work in high finance. The proliferation of this thing is alarming. This literally happened overnight. I've been in finance for nearly 20 years and I've never seen anything like this nor have I ever seen anything move so quickly through the system. This is disturbing.

Wall Street is a lot of things and most of it is rotten, but, there are many red-pilled and decent people working in this industry, see Ed Dowd on Infowars. There are many red-pilled people because finance is where most of this wizardry is happening. The open secret among those brave enough to even whisper the truth is "esg" is a fraud and imposed. It's regulation.

If hiring mandates, affirmative action, Dee Eee and Eye are bad enough and, on their own, promise eventual collapse, "esg" is more fuel for the fire. For me, it represents a perverse incentive, because, none of the components of esg are related to the actual profitability of a company. And esg is a rating system that scores companies, which in turn allocates capital to those with sufficiently high esg scores and, of course, the higher the better. But, a company's stock is based upon its valuation of future earnings and profitability (revenue and margins). Duh.

What esg is doing is substituting these age-old and iron-clad investment metrics for esg. So, no longer will a company be valued on its ability to grow and make money, rather, on its compliance with esg mandates. Or, for instance, if they hire enough black female lesbians to executive positions. This will result in utter disaster for multiple reasons. It's a gross misallocation of capital based on frivolous criteria.
 
Related to this topic, I must say I'm speechless on how rapid the adoption of "esg" has been. I come across this all the time because I work in high finance. The proliferation of this thing is alarming. This literally happened overnight. I've been in finance for nearly 20 years and I've never seen anything like this nor have I ever seen anything move so quickly through the system. This is disturbing.

Wall Street is a lot of things and most of it is rotten, but, there are many red-pilled and decent people working in this industry, see Ed Dowd on Infowars. There are many red-pilled people because finance is where most of this wizardry is happening. The open secret among those brave enough to even whisper the truth is "esg" is a fraud and imposed. It's regulation.

If hiring mandates, affirmative action, Dee Eee and Eye are bad enough and, on their own, promise eventual collapse, "esg" is more fuel for the fire. For me, it represents a perverse incentive, because, none of the components of esg are related to the actual profitability of a company. And esg is a rating system that scores companies, which in turn allocates capital to those with sufficiently high esg scores and, of course, the higher the better. But, a company's stock is based upon its valuation of future earnings and profitability (revenue and margins). Duh.

What esg is doing is substituting these age-old and iron-clad investment metrics for esg. So, no longer will a company be valued on its ability to grow and make money, rather, on its compliance with esg mandates. Or, for instance, if they hire enough black female lesbians to executive positions. This will result in utter disaster for multiple reasons. It's a gross misallocation of capital based on frivolous criteria.
My brother works for a big oil company. He said that for a few years now, activist shareholder groups were buying their way into the company and then agitating to restrict new capital investments in developing new fields or even upgrading existing oil infrastructure. Rather they wanted that capital returned to shareholders, or focused on ESG products. Who was behind or funding these activist shareholders I didn't get the details on.

So some powerful people I suspect were doing this across the board for US energy companies.
 

paternos

Woodpecker
Catholic
Related to this topic, I must say I'm speechless on how rapid the adoption of "esg" has been. I come across this all the time because I work in high finance. The proliferation of this thing is alarming. This literally happened overnight. I've been in finance for nearly 20 years and I've never seen anything like this nor have I ever seen anything move so quickly through the system. This is disturbing.

Wall Street is a lot of things and most of it is rotten, but, there are many red-pilled and decent people working in this industry, see Ed Dowd on Infowars. There are many red-pilled people because finance is where most of this wizardry is happening. The open secret among those brave enough to even whisper the truth is "esg" is a fraud and imposed. It's regulation.

If hiring mandates, affirmative action, Dee Eee and Eye are bad enough and, on their own, promise eventual collapse, "esg" is more fuel for the fire. For me, it represents a perverse incentive, because, none of the components of esg are related to the actual profitability of a company. And esg is a rating system that scores companies, which in turn allocates capital to those with sufficiently high esg scores and, of course, the higher the better. But, a company's stock is based upon its valuation of future earnings and profitability (revenue and margins). Duh.

What esg is doing is substituting these age-old and iron-clad investment metrics for esg. So, no longer will a company be valued on its ability to grow and make money, rather, on its compliance with esg mandates. Or, for instance, if they hire enough black female lesbians to executive positions. This will result in utter disaster for multiple reasons. It's a gross misallocation of capital based on frivolous criteria.
Very true, esg is regulation, is a planned economy.

That's the big move, away from the free market, from enterpreneurship, personal accountability, personal profiting.

People use different words for it, communism, modern monetary theory, or liberalism, or socialism, or equality. Setting the word, of the naming convention aside, which is not so interesting.

It is the government and in the EU, not the countries, but the international rulers that will decide on the flows of capital and labour.

And they are doing that now, the huge packages for green energy, will flow a large share of capital and thus labour to windmills, many government are already using parts of ESG, like municipalities that don't do business with transporters if they don't have the newest diesel engines.

Post WW2 all western governments went on a power trip, with most of them today controlling the majority of every dollar or euro spent. Literally most governments in Europe control +50% of the everything spent.

ESG is just another step to extend the influence to the 50% of free money. Also the war on cash is huge. So that every transactions can be tracked, taxed and redistributed.


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We already live in a planned economy, in which governments control housing prices, energy and is constantly distorting markets due to mega spending. E.g. now they are talking on energy subsidies, given with printed money, which will just increase demand.

So I think we won't see a financial crisis, the government controls all of it, so they'll just print some more, and the housing prices will rise as will the stock markets.

What we will see is dysfunctional society, with lots of support packages, esg, and mostly perverse incentives. Boeing shows that beautifully. The first 20 pages of their annual report is the bullshit i shared here.

The problem is, it is not just greenwashing, they really do it, they hire incompetent people, they pay taxes for their environmental sins. Dropping planes. Dysfunctional cars. (anyone has an idea how a 15 year old battery car works?) A squeezed middle class.

To me South Africa is always an interesting canary in the coal mine.


They saw a huge outflux of capable people, people that can operate a power station, that can and will work, that grow crops. Many have left as they have been extorted by the ruling jewish/black elite.

The collapse is easily seen when we just open our eyes.


I think we will see the same and we do.

- no houses avalaible
- energy not available
- empty shelves
- farmers out of business

I think we will see a large outflux of people looking for survival. I'm curious where to go.

A planned economy end in death and despair.
 
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