Is boxing underrated?

[Malcolm Tucker]

Styles don't fight: people do.

I'd suggest reading everything Rory Miller's written (esp. "Meditations on Violence") along with "The Little Black Book of Violence" if you want to really open your mind about the realities of non-sport violence, that is if you're the type of person who learns from others' mistakes. Or just start going to the stupid places where stupid people do stupid things if you're not. Sooner or later you'll get some learnin' either way.

Violence fucking sucks. But IMHO anyone who underestimates the sweet science IRL does so at his peril.

Who wins in a street fight, Floyd Mayweather or George St-Piere?

My moneys on GSP.

By decision? :smile:

My cash is on whoever ambushes first or whoever has the knife, pistol, pool cue, pool ball, friends to help in the fun, gets the drop on whoever's taking a piss by attacking from behind at the urinal, etc. etc. etc. But like you said there are no alwayses (?) in this shit.

 

[stein]

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[Pilgrim37]

MMA etc just has nothing on a great boxing match like this:

 

[subutai]

Anderson Da Silva, MMA Champ, boxing one of Freddie Roach's boxers at his boxing gym. I know that Da Silva is a much better athlete than this anonymous boxer, so it makes the comparison unfair, but had Da Silva been able to use kicks, knees, and elbows, the boxer would have been on the floor unconscious in under a minute.

 

[OGNorCal707]

Krav Maga is widely considered the most lethal form of martial arts and best for street survival situations.

If I remember correctly I believe Speakeasy said he's trained in it for some years. If I continue with my martial arts training in the future, and move to a big city, I think I may try to learn Krav Maga, after I develop some basic mastery of Wing Chun Kung Fu and Muay Thai, the two I am starting to learn.

Krav Maga is also known for intense workouts and sparring, here is a clip of a "demonstration". Although it's not an actual fight you can see how these techniques would be more affective than the clip MikeCF provided us.

 

[MikeCF]

That video is hilarious. NO resistance. That's fake martial arts.

Also, who considers Krav Magna the most dangerous martial art? The guys who SELL classes, and the people who BUY those classes.

If I could only train one martial art, it'd be Combat Sambo. Indeed, that is what I trained, among other things in my two decades of training and fighting.

MMA, too, is what I'd train if I could only train one thing. Thankfully life allows a person to not have to choose just one thing.[/quote]

But that wasn't the point of the conversation. Issue was that chumps are dissing boxing without having a club.

Combat Sambo highlight:

 

[Basil Ransom]

So I stand by my statement that a seasoned MMA artist has more advantage than a boxer. I proved that with the extract of the match between one of the greatest boxers that this planet has ever known getting his legs kicked the fcuk out of by a Japanese martial artist. Subsequently, this legendary boxer was unable to even land one of his blows on him. It just makes perfect logical sense as to how that would happen.

Having more tools won't necessarily make you a better fighter. If boxing has X, and MMA has X, Y and Z, the boxer will be better at X. While the MMA fighter is practicing grappling and elbows, the boxer is perfecting his footwork and his punching. We don't have infinite time. The difference will be even more apparent with novices.

Which is more important? Mastery or breadth? I don't claim to know. I'm not an experienced fighter. But claiming that "logically" boxing is inferior is just ignorant, and doesn't account for the circumstances of a fight - where it's happening what the rules are, etc.

Here's a fun video for you:



Not that it proves anything.

Krav Maga has great marketing. I wonder if learning Krav Maga puts you in more danger, rather than less. Instead of thinking you can't fight, and running like hell, you think you can disarm a dude with a switchblade. You throw a cool move your

 

[OGNorCal707]

MikeCF I appreciate what you're saying, I am not expert, so I can't definitively say that Krav Maga is one of the most affective fighting system, and I have heard a lot of good stuff about combat Sambo.

However, as far as the vid clip I posted vs. the one you posted, I think your clip is equally as "hilarious", for one it looked fake, for two neither guy is fighting back at all. At least in the one I posted, it gives you some "self defense scenarios".

In closing, I agree that boxing is under-rated, and there is no one definitive best form of self defense.

However, the best defense is not getting into a fight in the first place, in my opinion anyone who escalates a fight over pointless bullshit, is just trying to prove something or satisfy their own ego.

 

[Dash Global]

MMA etc just has nothing on a great boxing match like this:

That is pretty boring & tame to me. Looks like they are just crying on each others shoulder and delivering love taps to the body for 80% of the fight.

I want to see mother fuckers go at it HARD. I want to see brutal punches that leave people on their ass / knocked out.

One of the most entertaining dudes with absolute LETHAL HANDS is Fedor.

Dudes hands are so fast, powerful and he delivers his punches with crazy accuracy.



I will say this though. There is / was some entertaining boxers. Not many exist that are at the top of the game today.

One of my favorite boxers that could put on a show and drop dudes was Roy Jones Jr.

 

[subutai]

Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.

 

[Dash Global]

Subutai,

I think it is a few things.

He is past his prime. Dude pretty much went undefeated for his career. Now his age is catching up with him.

It's sad that Dana wouldn't ease up on the contract restrictions so we could have seen fedor in the UFC. But I respect him for saying fuck you Dana.

 

[Dash Global]

Ok, i just looked to confirm what I thought in regards to the length of time Fedor was doing his thing.

Fedor went undefeated and dominated the competition for a decade[\b] That's astonishing.

 

[Luckystar]

I don't care how great any boxer or UFC fighter is...they don't hold a candle to the talent and charisma of Ric Flair...WOOOOOOO!!!

 

[Chad Daring]

You do have to give Professional Wrestlers credit for being some of the most inshape men on the planet. Even if its fake (maybe because its fake) their job requires massive amounts of stamina, strength, and agility. Thought I've heard stories that most of the big names in professional wrestling are absolute shit in a fight because they're so programmed to NOT hurt the guy.

 

[thegmanifesto]

MMA etc just has nothing on a great boxing match like this:

That is pretty boring & tame to me. Looks like they are just crying on each others shoulder and delivering love taps to the body for 80% of the fight.

I want to see mother fuckers go at it HARD. I want to see brutal punches that leave people on their ass / knocked out.

You must be watching a different fight then.

Is this violent enough for you? (Super G Lenny McLean)



For all those that don't think boxing is effective in a real street fightthis guy isn't even that "clean". Great jab though)



A fluke? (No. This guy is "clean")

 

[MikeCF]

Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.

Ten years is a long time for a combat fighter.

How many broken noses, broken feet, hands, concussions you had?

When you're sitting down at work, reading, and your ears start ringing anda headache....then you understand what it means to be a fighter.

Until then, it's just words on the screen...

 

[Dash Global]

Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.

Ten years is a long time for a combat fighter.

How many broken noses, broken feet, hands, concussions you had?

When you're sitting down at work, reading, and your ears start ringing anda headache....then you understand what it means to be a fighter.

Until then, it's just words on the screen...

A decade is a long ass time to DOMINATE a sport and go undefeated.

Esp in MMA where anything can happen.

Unbelievable.

As of right now Fedor is hands down the greatest fighter that ever lived as far as im concerned.

I cant see anyone doing what he did for that long.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Either Fedor is past his prime or he was coddled to begin with. His last couple of losses made him look pretty bad.

Ten years is a long time for a combat fighter.

How many broken noses, broken feet, hands, concussions you had?

When you're sitting down at work, reading, and your ears start ringing anda headache....then you understand what it means to be a fighter.

Until then, it's just words on the screen...

A decade is a long ass time to DOMINATE a sport and go undefeated.

Esp in MMA where anything can happen.

Unbelievable.

As of right now Fedor is hands down the greatest fighter that ever lived as far as im concerned.

I cant see anyone doing what he did for that long.

"As of right now Fedor is hands down the greatest fighter that ever lived"

Obviously someone who has not studied his history beyond the last few years.

Not surprising.

 

[Dash Global]

G,

Obviously im not some fighting historian, my knowledge base is quite small on this. But that is simply my opinion from what I do know.

If you want to benefit the discussion how about listing some people you think are the greatest fighters that ever lived.

You might can change my opinion if you come with something strong

 

[Pilgrim37]

MMA etc just has nothing on a great boxing match like this:

That is pretty boring & tame to me. Looks like they are just crying on each others shoulder and delivering love taps to the body for 80% of the fight.

I want to see mother fuckers go at it HARD. I want to see brutal punches that leave people on their ass / knocked out.

You must be watching a different fight then.

Is this violent enough for you? (Super G Lenny McLean)



For all those that don't think boxing is effective in a real street fightthis guy isn't even that "clean". Great jab though)



A fluke? (No. This guy is "clean")

That second video had me pissing myself laughing with the Eye of the Tiger in the background.

Glad you agree on the Chico fight.
RIP Chico..what a fighter!