Vinny said:
Yeah, but Irish chicks are funny as hell.
Craic, not crack.
Is Civilization much Older than we're led to Beleive?
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Craic, not crack.
GetRichOrdie
Sparrow
Great post! Well researched and brings out my inner-Indi!
When you dig deeper it seems like many things, anything that conflicts with the official elite approved version of history gets censored or banned, for example, egyptian ruins being found in Australia
I mean they cant even recreate a smaller scale of the pyramids or obelisk stones with modern technology, and there are pyramids all throughout the world with sophisticated orientation, alignment with various grid lines, and an assortment of so many other things we don't know much about. The navigational knowledge of the Polynesian islanders for example was so sophisticated and advanced they traveled the ocean with ease, and encompassed thousands of different star charts and waypoints.
Even with conservative figures, scientists estimate there are 50,000 intelligent species living out there in space, and with my own research ive seen too much evidence to show that there is intelligent life out there. The argument that they are too far to reach us is crazy, because we are basing that on very primitive, heavily censored technology, whereas the reality of technology on a vector of history combined with a small % of game-changing innovations being confiscated or suppressed by military-industrial interests, shows that the true level of technology is far beyond what we image-anti-gravity, teleportation, remote viewing psychic warfare/spying, time travel etc etc
There is an overall agenda to make us believe that our ancestors were primitive apes, when the opposite in fact is true, that they were an incredibly advanced civilization, that even were able to travel psychically to other civilizations in space, and gain profound wisdom and scientific breakthroughs as far back as Egyptian times and beyond. Ringing Cedars books, remote viewing and other deep black whistle-blowers cover a lot of this, but you have to sift the wheat from the chaff to get to the truth
When you dig deeper it seems like many things, anything that conflicts with the official elite approved version of history gets censored or banned, for example, egyptian ruins being found in Australia
I mean they cant even recreate a smaller scale of the pyramids or obelisk stones with modern technology, and there are pyramids all throughout the world with sophisticated orientation, alignment with various grid lines, and an assortment of so many other things we don't know much about. The navigational knowledge of the Polynesian islanders for example was so sophisticated and advanced they traveled the ocean with ease, and encompassed thousands of different star charts and waypoints.
Even with conservative figures, scientists estimate there are 50,000 intelligent species living out there in space, and with my own research ive seen too much evidence to show that there is intelligent life out there. The argument that they are too far to reach us is crazy, because we are basing that on very primitive, heavily censored technology, whereas the reality of technology on a vector of history combined with a small % of game-changing innovations being confiscated or suppressed by military-industrial interests, shows that the true level of technology is far beyond what we image-anti-gravity, teleportation, remote viewing psychic warfare/spying, time travel etc etc
There is an overall agenda to make us believe that our ancestors were primitive apes, when the opposite in fact is true, that they were an incredibly advanced civilization, that even were able to travel psychically to other civilizations in space, and gain profound wisdom and scientific breakthroughs as far back as Egyptian times and beyond. Ringing Cedars books, remote viewing and other deep black whistle-blowers cover a lot of this, but you have to sift the wheat from the chaff to get to the truth
if you hypothesize a rising of the sea levels 10,000 years ago, whether due to a flood or global warming, then the result would be that the old coast lines of ancient civilization are not miles off shore.
so while academia says Sumeria is the oldest civilization known to history, there may be unknown civilizations whose records are along the former coasts which are now miles off shore.
also, someone above mentioned fallen angles bringing knowledge. Knowledge brought by angels occurs in the myths of ancient cultures around the world - inca, maya, etc.
so while academia says Sumeria is the oldest civilization known to history, there may be unknown civilizations whose records are along the former coasts which are now miles off shore.
also, someone above mentioned fallen angles bringing knowledge. Knowledge brought by angels occurs in the myths of ancient cultures around the world - inca, maya, etc.
sterling_archer
Hummingbird
People always assume that beings from outer space gave us knowledge, but these fallen angels seem more like aliens misrepresented as angels of the Lord.
So we are talking about beings with physical bodies, just like ours, who teach us.
In my opinion and that is stance of many many other researchers, there is no concrete evidence for that but there are countless evidence for other type of contact.
I talked about outer space, Universe, but people forget (or don't even know) about inner universe.
What is that? See, for that we need to know nature of reality. Without going into long articles which would be offtopic, I will say that this universe is physical plane of reality and that there are more non-physical planes of reality, and these planes are closer to the "root" of all things, then our physical reality. Humans are made of different "bodies", which we use to traverse each plane of reality. During waking time, we use only physical body. In sleep we use other type of body (whole story in itself, I am practitioner of that).
For all questions about this stuff, I will recommend literature.
But on topic. What I wanted to tell is that people from the beginning of official history contacted these other planes of reality and took or were given to Knowledge.
Most of that knowledge was centered about how to effectively survive, but I suspect some more advanced nations used that knowledge for construction of monumental architecture around the world.
So we are talking about beings with physical bodies, just like ours, who teach us.
In my opinion and that is stance of many many other researchers, there is no concrete evidence for that but there are countless evidence for other type of contact.
I talked about outer space, Universe, but people forget (or don't even know) about inner universe.
What is that? See, for that we need to know nature of reality. Without going into long articles which would be offtopic, I will say that this universe is physical plane of reality and that there are more non-physical planes of reality, and these planes are closer to the "root" of all things, then our physical reality. Humans are made of different "bodies", which we use to traverse each plane of reality. During waking time, we use only physical body. In sleep we use other type of body (whole story in itself, I am practitioner of that).
For all questions about this stuff, I will recommend literature.
But on topic. What I wanted to tell is that people from the beginning of official history contacted these other planes of reality and took or were given to Knowledge.
Most of that knowledge was centered about how to effectively survive, but I suspect some more advanced nations used that knowledge for construction of monumental architecture around the world.
sterling_archer said:
I've tried DMT several times. I agree wholeheartidly with everything you've said.
I believe the " angels" of yore are actually 4th dimensional beings that have broken through to the 3rd dimension. Following gnostic texts, we were made by a malevolent being, but we were built very similarly to "them" hence why we have the ability to sense those realities.
I hope one day this will all be revealed to us.
sterling_archer said:
I don't have a view one way or the other, but it depends on context. earlier in this thread the Nephillim are discussed. That is a very specific reference. There is a brief mention of them in Genesis as being giants that are the descendants of fallen angels. I believe they are discussed in other ancient texts or gospels that were rejected by the Council of Nicea. Also, note that those fallen angles were male only and came for the sole purpose of reproducing with the daughters of Adam. Other cultures reference "angels" which brought technology and which might have been aliens. Another example is in the book Kon Tiki. The premise of his voyage was that blond haired folk came to Chile/Peru with technology, and then sailed to Polynesia; Hyerdal's hypothesis was that Polynesia was populated from South America rather than from Asia. He proved that sailing from Chile to Polynesia was possible.
sterling_archer
Hummingbird
The Beast1 said:
That 4th dimensional beings are this other planes of reality I mentioned. But I shun from using terms like dimensions as they draw me to New Age, and New Age is part of Establishment disinfo campaign, specifically Liberal Establishment (one of 4 rulers of World).
Interesting fact is that New Age came from Theosophical Teachings of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky but this today's New Age is not even a shade of original 19th century thinking.
You can't go wrong with these old hard core occultists.
That is why I use terms from magick and occult to describe other planes of reality. Sometimes I use Eastern terms.
Regarding DMT, it is perhaps most powerful method for accessing these other planes, specifically lower ones (why it is that is another story).
Terence McKenna, pioneer in the usage of psychedelic substances reported most amazing experiences while on DMT. All his experiences were described hundreds of years before him and because he generally shunned away from occult, that gives him even more credibility, as he couldn't read something and then just say "it was like that".
DMT is also found in the Vine of the Dead brew (Ayahuasca) and in some mushroom (would like to try both), but synthetic one is the most potent.
Also if you notice that DMT is on schedule 1 drugs with most dangerous drugs ever (excluding Cannabis and some other), makes you really think that they are trying to cut off our access to these substances. And they probably did that on purpose, not because its dangerous.
sterling_archer
Hummingbird
GreyFFM said:
Regarding this reproduction of humans and non humans, you are opening a whole new can of worms here!
I will say shortly that this motive is not just from Genesis or Book of Enoch but is found in all mythologies around the world and in actual folklore of Europeans, specifically Irish, where you have fairies/elves (non physical beings) that want human babies or even snatch men to have sex with them. Notice parallel to the myth of succubus and incubus.
sterling_archer
Hummingbird
Btw, these last few posts that are maybe off topic made me think I should open new discussion, specifically regarding this nature of reality in which we could discuss this other realities, share experiences and drew parallels between our experiences and ancient myths and legends.
If someone is interested I would gladly open it soon.
If someone is interested I would gladly open it soon.
sterling_archer said:
I was referring to the Nephillim specifically, and pointing out that they were male angels, but other visitors might have been aliens. depends on the context.
the numerous examples in legends from diverse geographies is very interesting. I was also contrasting a motive that was selfish for the visitor with the more common motive of bestowing technology.
Yes, civilization is far older and our history much richer (and stranger) than the mainstream propagandists would have us believe. This has been a passion of mine for decades. So many great posts and references here, kudos for the links on the South African megalithic sites. Also be sure to watch 'Forbidden Archaeology', just paradigm-shattering. The artificial metal spheres found in billion year old rock (with larger analogs on the surface) really make you scratch your head.
Have been following Graham Hancock for a few years respect his brilliant and tenacious approach to authentic history. 'Supernatural' was a fascinating read and there are many others as already mentioned. I met the warm and brilliant Dr. Robert Schoch, professor at Boston U, who gave a presentation on the theme of SIDA (solar induced dark age). He makes a strong case for solar outbursts being a likely cause for the world-wide cataclysms noted in geological and in anecdotal evidence at the end of the Younger Dryas. His book on this topic is 'Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future.'
There's another talk / interview which I just found today but haven't yet watched:
As it relates to the destruction of Atlantis-in-the-eastern Atlantic (which more recent evidence suggests at least one outpost off the coast of north Africa) there would have been a double whammy of a) large vertical shifts in the position of the earth's crust as the weight of ice was released across North America and Europe with a rebounding and submergence of the crust farther away, plus b) massive pulses of water filling the oceans adding to the carnage. Changes of many hundreds or even a thousand+ feet of relative sea level are possible so washing away of previous structure seem very likely especially if not insulated by nearby land masses. It seems there's evidence for multiple Atlantean settlements not merely one (Tampa Florida and the Florida panhandle has very unique geography that one investigator makes a good case as a potential Atlantean state, along with many throughout Central and South America).
My studies suggest Lemuria existed predominantly in the area currently known as Indonesia / Polynesia but likely spread its influence as did Atlantis but perhaps less aggressively. The megalithic architecture and statuary between Easter Island, Gunung Padang, and Gobekli Tepe suggest a common source. How Atlantis and Lemuria related to each other is naturally a subject of speculation, but my sense is both groups broke off from a central group related to the fallen angels / whoever brought humans to this planet or created us here... I'm curious about recommended sources on this subject.
<drift> There's another video I recommend those stout of spirit called 'Is the human race a resource?' It's a sobering and I well-reasoned take on the phenomenon of UFOs and alien abductions, of which the Disclosure Project (which I initially was excited about) I believe is unfortunately offering partial or dis-information about. This video is a good step in exposure to a deeper part of any extra-terrestrial agenda and also calls out the 'new age' (favorite pastime of many liberals) as being duped into the control system.
The correlation of encountering elves/fairies/aliens/angels/divine beings during abduction experiences and revealed under hypnotic regression suggest cunning psychic manipulation by agents who don't want to be exposed. We'd do well to remain vigilant and guard our thoughts and behaviors. Those discussing globalists and also open to diving past the surface may appreciate some of the information in this video, as it points to darker forces at work in controlling those 'humans.'
People of strong heart and sound spirit need to stand in solidarity to resist. I am a big proponent of standing on your own two feet and am making a concerted effort to recognize and release any kind of addiction or habitual pattern. We can all truly wake up to our fullest potential and that is a key teaching of many ancient civilizations. Human beings are not meant to be dumbed-down, drugged (legal or illegal), and decrepit. The thread I'm working on regarding decision-making and human design/Gene Keys will help support self-realization and embodiment of our true potential as Spirit engaged in the play of being human.</drift>
What I find fascinating about the SIDA/solar outburst theory is the evidence of vitrification (burning) of the earth and the tie-in with shapes found in petroglyphs around the world being recognized by a plasma physicist as plasma discharge. The resulting synchrotron radiation especially from intense plasma would prompt people to get off the surface and out of the open. This helps explain the reason for cave structures (often vast and well-ventilated) which would be useless against an invading human horde but would offer protection again intense solar radiation. The fact of huge number of species going extinct at the end of the last ice age add support for the SIDA theory.
Have been following Graham Hancock for a few years respect his brilliant and tenacious approach to authentic history. 'Supernatural' was a fascinating read and there are many others as already mentioned. I met the warm and brilliant Dr. Robert Schoch, professor at Boston U, who gave a presentation on the theme of SIDA (solar induced dark age). He makes a strong case for solar outbursts being a likely cause for the world-wide cataclysms noted in geological and in anecdotal evidence at the end of the Younger Dryas. His book on this topic is 'Forgotten Civilization: The Role of Solar Outbursts in Our Past and Future.'
There's another talk / interview which I just found today but haven't yet watched:
As it relates to the destruction of Atlantis-in-the-eastern Atlantic (which more recent evidence suggests at least one outpost off the coast of north Africa) there would have been a double whammy of a) large vertical shifts in the position of the earth's crust as the weight of ice was released across North America and Europe with a rebounding and submergence of the crust farther away, plus b) massive pulses of water filling the oceans adding to the carnage. Changes of many hundreds or even a thousand+ feet of relative sea level are possible so washing away of previous structure seem very likely especially if not insulated by nearby land masses. It seems there's evidence for multiple Atlantean settlements not merely one (Tampa Florida and the Florida panhandle has very unique geography that one investigator makes a good case as a potential Atlantean state, along with many throughout Central and South America).
My studies suggest Lemuria existed predominantly in the area currently known as Indonesia / Polynesia but likely spread its influence as did Atlantis but perhaps less aggressively. The megalithic architecture and statuary between Easter Island, Gunung Padang, and Gobekli Tepe suggest a common source. How Atlantis and Lemuria related to each other is naturally a subject of speculation, but my sense is both groups broke off from a central group related to the fallen angels / whoever brought humans to this planet or created us here... I'm curious about recommended sources on this subject.
<drift> There's another video I recommend those stout of spirit called 'Is the human race a resource?' It's a sobering and I well-reasoned take on the phenomenon of UFOs and alien abductions, of which the Disclosure Project (which I initially was excited about) I believe is unfortunately offering partial or dis-information about. This video is a good step in exposure to a deeper part of any extra-terrestrial agenda and also calls out the 'new age' (favorite pastime of many liberals) as being duped into the control system.
The correlation of encountering elves/fairies/aliens/angels/divine beings during abduction experiences and revealed under hypnotic regression suggest cunning psychic manipulation by agents who don't want to be exposed. We'd do well to remain vigilant and guard our thoughts and behaviors. Those discussing globalists and also open to diving past the surface may appreciate some of the information in this video, as it points to darker forces at work in controlling those 'humans.'
People of strong heart and sound spirit need to stand in solidarity to resist. I am a big proponent of standing on your own two feet and am making a concerted effort to recognize and release any kind of addiction or habitual pattern. We can all truly wake up to our fullest potential and that is a key teaching of many ancient civilizations. Human beings are not meant to be dumbed-down, drugged (legal or illegal), and decrepit. The thread I'm working on regarding decision-making and human design/Gene Keys will help support self-realization and embodiment of our true potential as Spirit engaged in the play of being human.</drift>
What I find fascinating about the SIDA/solar outburst theory is the evidence of vitrification (burning) of the earth and the tie-in with shapes found in petroglyphs around the world being recognized by a plasma physicist as plasma discharge. The resulting synchrotron radiation especially from intense plasma would prompt people to get off the surface and out of the open. This helps explain the reason for cave structures (often vast and well-ventilated) which would be useless against an invading human horde but would offer protection again intense solar radiation. The fact of huge number of species going extinct at the end of the last ice age add support for the SIDA theory.
sterling_archer
Hummingbird
Truth Tiger said:
Practically all abduction theories, UFO theories and lizards/greys theories are part of disinfo campaign and mass hypnosis.
What agents you refer to? Human ones?
sterling_archer
Hummingbird
Truth Tiger said:
Semir Osmanagić, proponent of Bosnian Pyramids theory, wrote a lot about Lemuria and Atlantis and suggested they could have existed at the same time. They probably had contact with each other, some suggest war, but that is speculation.
I personally believe in Atlantis and Lemuria as world wide civilizations aka British Empire which originated from the specific locations (Pacific/Atlantic) and spread through nomadic life, exploration and war throughout the world and built all these beautiful monuments.
I don't necessary believe in Atlantis and Lemuria as huge continents which are secluded and populated with superior humanoids to all others around them at that time.
Also questions arise what kind of race were these two groups, what kind of life they lived and did other groups around the world regard them as "gods" or maybe just wealthy tribes that are potentially dangerous to them.
I am curious and yet to find answer that is satisfying and not "they had nuclear weapons and flew in saucers while others had stone spears".
You need to watch the third movie I included in my post.
I'm just now coming across Graham Hancock's material thanks to Joe Rogan's podcasts. Absolutely fascinating stuff. I don't know that he's got it all figured out, but it seems likely that he's got his finger on the truth with his hypothesis that civilization is much older than we've been taught.
What I haven't seen talked about much in relation to his catastrophic theories about the Younger Dryas event is the fairly recent discovery of large volumes of water deep below the Earth's surface, in the mantle. I can't shake the idea that there's some relation between this and ancient flood narratives, along with Hancock's brand of catastrophism.
It feels like a lot of the pieces are in place to construct some sort of comprehensive picture that will synchronize things that seem increasingly related - Atlantis and other mythic lost civilizations, megaliths at Gobeckli Tepe, Stonehenge, Polynesia, etc., ancient flood accounts, geological evidence, etc.
What I haven't seen talked about much in relation to his catastrophic theories about the Younger Dryas event is the fairly recent discovery of large volumes of water deep below the Earth's surface, in the mantle. I can't shake the idea that there's some relation between this and ancient flood narratives, along with Hancock's brand of catastrophism.
It feels like a lot of the pieces are in place to construct some sort of comprehensive picture that will synchronize things that seem increasingly related - Atlantis and other mythic lost civilizations, megaliths at Gobeckli Tepe, Stonehenge, Polynesia, etc., ancient flood accounts, geological evidence, etc.
GreenManaleshi
Sparrow
HermeticAlly said:
Check out Rogan's one on one interviews with Randall Carlson as well. Hancock and Carlson actually did a dual interview with Rogan (#872)
Greetings HA. Graham is excellent and covers so many topics. Have you also seen the work of Randall Carlson? There are some great JRE's with Graham and Randall. I'd check out Michael Cremo as well, along with Lloyd Pye.
I didn't know about the water trapped in the mantle, this is an excerpt from one article (https://www.scientificamerican.com/...earths-mantle-holds-an-oceans-worth-of-water/):
The science doesn't suggest that water from a deluge filtered down to that level and I don't believe there were sudden movements to bring those water molecules suddenly upward. This is more of a gradual process, where plate subduction at the bottom of the ocean would move water molecules down while upward crustal displacement brings the hydroxide-molecule-carrying ringwoodite up where it could bind to a positively charged (hydrogen-rich) water molecule under pressure to create more ocean water. That's how I'm reading it at least. It seems a very elegant dance that happens to replenish the oceans. Though I still wonder where all the water came from in the first place unless there are geological explanations.
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We've definitely lost multiple civilizations in the past 10,000 years and probably going back several hundred thousand years.
The comet impact hypothesis around 12,800 years ago as the cause of the Younger Dryas cooling has strong footing. The Younger Dryas cooling event ran counter to the warming trend as earth came out of the last glacial maximum and occurred very suddenly which has all the ear-marks of a catastrophe!
https://news.ku.edu/2018/01/30/new-...-human-beings-witnessed-fires-larger-dinosaur
and the new papers published this year:
Part 1 - https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695703?journalCode=jg
Part 2 - https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695704?journalCode=jg
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Along with the start of the Younger Dryas, which seems well-understood right now, it's very intriguing (and possibly very relevant to us now) as to how that ~1,300 year period suddenly ended. This again speaks to a large extra-terrestrial input of energy - or perhaps several. It could be a combination of Dr. Robert Schoch's solar-induced dark age (SIDA) event, of solar-generated electrical discharges through our atmosphere and across the planet which scorched the deserts and areas around the planet.
If the earth's atmosphere was robbed of ozone due to byproducts from the fires after the comet fragment impacts, that could add another cause to the rapid deaths (due to UVB damage) as well as cancers and possible mutations in the offspring of survivors. Also, if the earth's magnetosphere was in a compromised state (as we're beginning to see now with the onset of the Eddy Grand Solar Minimum due to an increasing divergence between the sun's northern and southern magnetic fields) then it's possible a series of coronal discharges from the sun could have had massive effects on the planet. Even if the magnetosphere wasn't weakened, we've already seen disruptions from massive flares - with potential for massive electrical grid disruptions.
Interesting paper talking about atmospheric effects of comet impacts (mentions Tunguska comet airburst):
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1067.pdf
My guess is that for the end of the Younger Dryas (~11,500 years ago) there may have been comet fragments impacting the earth. The heightening electrical activity could increase the amplitude of solar discharges on the earth. Think the aurora borealis and australis but MUCH bigger!
There is evidence that the Mississippi River experienced several megaflood events which correlate time-wise to the big Meltwater Pulses 1A and 1B:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1B
The second event, Meltwater Pulse 1B, is more closely correlated to the end of the Younger Dryas.
Some interesting quotes from here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/mysterious-meltwater-pulse-1a.113807/
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I'd dive into the works of Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock for these subjects, and also Dr. Robert Schoch's work although he doesn't accept the comet impact hypothesis which seems very short-sighted given the evidence.
We're starting to see some very strange electrical behaviors around the world so there is certainly a possibility that more severe disruptions are possible. Crop losses have been increased year over year. Flooding in Africa, late season snow storms in the northeast, delayed crop planting in the upper Midwest. We're entering into a Grand Solar Minimum which has serious implications and is NOT being covered widely in the media.
I do love discovering more about the origins of human history, but catastrophes are part of human history too. It's crucial that we as red pill men become aware that major changes are taking place on earth due to changes inside the sun. Getting more self-sufficient is very important. That needs to be another thread which apparently I'll need to start.
I didn't know about the water trapped in the mantle, this is an excerpt from one article (https://www.scientificamerican.com/...earths-mantle-holds-an-oceans-worth-of-water/):
The science doesn't suggest that water from a deluge filtered down to that level and I don't believe there were sudden movements to bring those water molecules suddenly upward. This is more of a gradual process, where plate subduction at the bottom of the ocean would move water molecules down while upward crustal displacement brings the hydroxide-molecule-carrying ringwoodite up where it could bind to a positively charged (hydrogen-rich) water molecule under pressure to create more ocean water. That's how I'm reading it at least. It seems a very elegant dance that happens to replenish the oceans. Though I still wonder where all the water came from in the first place unless there are geological explanations.
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We've definitely lost multiple civilizations in the past 10,000 years and probably going back several hundred thousand years.
The comet impact hypothesis around 12,800 years ago as the cause of the Younger Dryas cooling has strong footing. The Younger Dryas cooling event ran counter to the warming trend as earth came out of the last glacial maximum and occurred very suddenly which has all the ear-marks of a catastrophe!
https://news.ku.edu/2018/01/30/new-...-human-beings-witnessed-fires-larger-dinosaur
and the new papers published this year:
Part 1 - https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695703?journalCode=jg
Part 2 - https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695704?journalCode=jg
===
Along with the start of the Younger Dryas, which seems well-understood right now, it's very intriguing (and possibly very relevant to us now) as to how that ~1,300 year period suddenly ended. This again speaks to a large extra-terrestrial input of energy - or perhaps several. It could be a combination of Dr. Robert Schoch's solar-induced dark age (SIDA) event, of solar-generated electrical discharges through our atmosphere and across the planet which scorched the deserts and areas around the planet.
If the earth's atmosphere was robbed of ozone due to byproducts from the fires after the comet fragment impacts, that could add another cause to the rapid deaths (due to UVB damage) as well as cancers and possible mutations in the offspring of survivors. Also, if the earth's magnetosphere was in a compromised state (as we're beginning to see now with the onset of the Eddy Grand Solar Minimum due to an increasing divergence between the sun's northern and southern magnetic fields) then it's possible a series of coronal discharges from the sun could have had massive effects on the planet. Even if the magnetosphere wasn't weakened, we've already seen disruptions from massive flares - with potential for massive electrical grid disruptions.
Interesting paper talking about atmospheric effects of comet impacts (mentions Tunguska comet airburst):
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1067.pdf
My guess is that for the end of the Younger Dryas (~11,500 years ago) there may have been comet fragments impacting the earth. The heightening electrical activity could increase the amplitude of solar discharges on the earth. Think the aurora borealis and australis but MUCH bigger!
There is evidence that the Mississippi River experienced several megaflood events which correlate time-wise to the big Meltwater Pulses 1A and 1B:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1B
The second event, Meltwater Pulse 1B, is more closely correlated to the end of the Younger Dryas.
Some interesting quotes from here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/mysterious-meltwater-pulse-1a.113807/
===
I'd dive into the works of Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock for these subjects, and also Dr. Robert Schoch's work although he doesn't accept the comet impact hypothesis which seems very short-sighted given the evidence.
We're starting to see some very strange electrical behaviors around the world so there is certainly a possibility that more severe disruptions are possible. Crop losses have been increased year over year. Flooding in Africa, late season snow storms in the northeast, delayed crop planting in the upper Midwest. We're entering into a Grand Solar Minimum which has serious implications and is NOT being covered widely in the media.
I do love discovering more about the origins of human history, but catastrophes are part of human history too. It's crucial that we as red pill men become aware that major changes are taking place on earth due to changes inside the sun. Getting more self-sufficient is very important. That needs to be another thread which apparently I'll need to start.
I think about this kind of thing a lot. Here is some of my thinking on ancient unknown civilizations:
-Any advance that is found in the archeological record always has one find that is earlier than all the rest. However, the real date when that phenomena occurred is always earlier than our earliest archeological record. This must be true.
-Any of these advances that occurred before they were found in the archeological record probably were invented numerous times in various places, but just didn't work out. They weren't effective enough, or that people got raided by nearby nomadic peoples, or the culture just failed (like the Mayans or the people at Mesa Verde in the SW United States)
-If you look at various key technologies, many of them are estimated to date back 20,000 years or more, including building construction, textiles, pottery, domestication of the dog, boats, and many other technologies. These combined to allow a fairly sophisticated standard of living going back a lot longer than you'd think.
It's said that until agriculture, people were all nomadic. However, I believe many fixed site communities must have existed. It's known that trading goes very far back. Sites with salt, or high quality obsidian or flint for stone tools, or good fishing were likely to have had villages. It seems inevitable that some of these villages must have flourished even 20,000 years ago. They may have only flourished a few 100 years, and then they declined, but there must have been fair number of these short term towns through the years across the old world from China to Europe. As many have noted, many of these would have been along coastal regions that are now under the oceans.
As for agriculture, I think it would have been obvious to the Paleolithic humans that seeds turn into plants, and that you could plant seeds to grow more of the good plants. However, this was before domesticated strains of these plants existed, and even though some towns may have existed at resource rich sites, most people still were nomadic. I imagine the combination of low-yield undomesticated plants and mostly nomadic populations meant that agriculture was impractical long after the basic concept was known.
However, where did the domesticated strains of grain, fruits, and vegetables come from? My guess is that some people attempted to grow wild plants in some times and places, but it wasn't successful enough to catch on. The people might have grown a crop for 100 years, but then they got soft and raiders came and killed them. Agriculture was probably known for 10,000 years before it succeeded, but people thought it was stupid and dangerous, because everybody who has ever tried it ended up getting destroyed. Eventually better and better strains of agricultural crops were developed from 1000's of years of local, small scale attempts, and "suddenly" the agricultural revolution occurred.
I imagine in the ancient world before the last small burst of glaciation in the Younger Dryas, there were chiefdoms scattered across the old world, with active trading between them. There must have been places making textiles, pottery, obsidian spears and knives, and high quality stone axes. They must have traded premium furs, and other specialty and luxury goods. This would have been small scale by modern standards, but I bet there were local populations that spoke the same language and had a central town with a big chief and a central ceremonial place, probably on a river or sea coast for trading. I think these kind of locally developed chiefdoms have been occurring for 20,000 years or more, but they never got big enough to leave a permanent archeological record, and never lasted more than a few 100 years, before they declined or were overrun. Most people still would have been nomadic, but a network of these permanent villages seems likely to have existed along trading routes in places with unusually plentiful resources.
Another thing I've noted is how close the New World peoples were technologically to the Old World. On the one hand, the Europeans were far more advanced than the New World peoples, and conquered them with almost absurd ease. On the other hand, the New World peoples had agriculture and large scale civilizations. They had writing. They were only a few hundred years into their own bronze age, so they were about 3000 years behind the old world. However, they were completely isolated. Even if Polynesians or some other ancient peoples came to the new world, these were tenuous contacts at best with the old world. The New World cultures developed these technologies in isolation from the Old World, with only a few 1000 years difference between them. That's not very long compared to the long span of human prehistory.
My theory on this is that when humans crossed the Bering Strait into the New World 12-15,000 years ago, they carried the cultural knowledge of humanity at that time. Therefore, humans in the Old World and New World were roughly equal technologically in 12,000 BC. Given their isolation and small initial numbers, it's no surprise that development was slower in the New World than in the Old World. However, I think the people coming to the New World already had the possibility of agriculture and larger scale permanent communities in their cultural traditions. They passed these traditions down as they spread across North and South America, and when their numbers had increased enough, they started practicing agriculture and building towns. Just as it was in the old world, there must have been a period of gradual small scale domestication of crop plants before the agriculture really took hold. Likewise, I think a lot of mythological themes were carried across the Bering strait at that time and were passed down through the generations.
All of this is only speculation, but I think it seems very likely, based on the three principles I listed at the top of my post. However, if you put this all together, you can imagine traveling the ancient world as a trader, who comes from a port town with a long tradition of trading. You can imagine traveling to other trading centers scattered days and weeks apart, and coming into town with your shipment of fine obsidian, polished beads, fine furs, and other trade goods, and in turn picking up a load of whatever goods are available in that town.
You can imagine having a troubadour of sorts in your ship's complement, who swaps stories and epic songs with the locals. When you arrive at the village you're trading at, they'd probably declare a festival, and have a big pow wow at their ceremonial site. You could probably score with one of the young village girls, drink some fermented drink, and have a grand old time (making sure your men are still prepared against a sudden ambush, of course).
You can imagine being the chief of a tribe that controls 2-3 high value resources that happen to be close together, and growing your small village into a bigger town, such that you can start to keep a harem, live in a big house, and have the first choice of all the best food and other goods. Your village would have the strongest men with the best obsidian tipped spears, so you could go raid nearby nomadic tribes, kill the men, take their women and their weapons, tools, boats, etc., and settle your own people to roam the new hunting grounds. Good times!
Things like this must have happened all over the ancient world for a period of 10,000 years or more before the agricultural revolution. Even when the agricultural revolution came, that Neolithic era reached great heights of development during a period that lasted another 4000 years or so, until the times we know about, with the Sumerians, Egyptians, etc. It must have been a nasty, brutish and short life for most people, but for some exceptional men, it must have been like living in a modern fantasy adventure.
-Any advance that is found in the archeological record always has one find that is earlier than all the rest. However, the real date when that phenomena occurred is always earlier than our earliest archeological record. This must be true.
-Any of these advances that occurred before they were found in the archeological record probably were invented numerous times in various places, but just didn't work out. They weren't effective enough, or that people got raided by nearby nomadic peoples, or the culture just failed (like the Mayans or the people at Mesa Verde in the SW United States)
-If you look at various key technologies, many of them are estimated to date back 20,000 years or more, including building construction, textiles, pottery, domestication of the dog, boats, and many other technologies. These combined to allow a fairly sophisticated standard of living going back a lot longer than you'd think.
It's said that until agriculture, people were all nomadic. However, I believe many fixed site communities must have existed. It's known that trading goes very far back. Sites with salt, or high quality obsidian or flint for stone tools, or good fishing were likely to have had villages. It seems inevitable that some of these villages must have flourished even 20,000 years ago. They may have only flourished a few 100 years, and then they declined, but there must have been fair number of these short term towns through the years across the old world from China to Europe. As many have noted, many of these would have been along coastal regions that are now under the oceans.
As for agriculture, I think it would have been obvious to the Paleolithic humans that seeds turn into plants, and that you could plant seeds to grow more of the good plants. However, this was before domesticated strains of these plants existed, and even though some towns may have existed at resource rich sites, most people still were nomadic. I imagine the combination of low-yield undomesticated plants and mostly nomadic populations meant that agriculture was impractical long after the basic concept was known.
However, where did the domesticated strains of grain, fruits, and vegetables come from? My guess is that some people attempted to grow wild plants in some times and places, but it wasn't successful enough to catch on. The people might have grown a crop for 100 years, but then they got soft and raiders came and killed them. Agriculture was probably known for 10,000 years before it succeeded, but people thought it was stupid and dangerous, because everybody who has ever tried it ended up getting destroyed. Eventually better and better strains of agricultural crops were developed from 1000's of years of local, small scale attempts, and "suddenly" the agricultural revolution occurred.
I imagine in the ancient world before the last small burst of glaciation in the Younger Dryas, there were chiefdoms scattered across the old world, with active trading between them. There must have been places making textiles, pottery, obsidian spears and knives, and high quality stone axes. They must have traded premium furs, and other specialty and luxury goods. This would have been small scale by modern standards, but I bet there were local populations that spoke the same language and had a central town with a big chief and a central ceremonial place, probably on a river or sea coast for trading. I think these kind of locally developed chiefdoms have been occurring for 20,000 years or more, but they never got big enough to leave a permanent archeological record, and never lasted more than a few 100 years, before they declined or were overrun. Most people still would have been nomadic, but a network of these permanent villages seems likely to have existed along trading routes in places with unusually plentiful resources.
Another thing I've noted is how close the New World peoples were technologically to the Old World. On the one hand, the Europeans were far more advanced than the New World peoples, and conquered them with almost absurd ease. On the other hand, the New World peoples had agriculture and large scale civilizations. They had writing. They were only a few hundred years into their own bronze age, so they were about 3000 years behind the old world. However, they were completely isolated. Even if Polynesians or some other ancient peoples came to the new world, these were tenuous contacts at best with the old world. The New World cultures developed these technologies in isolation from the Old World, with only a few 1000 years difference between them. That's not very long compared to the long span of human prehistory.
My theory on this is that when humans crossed the Bering Strait into the New World 12-15,000 years ago, they carried the cultural knowledge of humanity at that time. Therefore, humans in the Old World and New World were roughly equal technologically in 12,000 BC. Given their isolation and small initial numbers, it's no surprise that development was slower in the New World than in the Old World. However, I think the people coming to the New World already had the possibility of agriculture and larger scale permanent communities in their cultural traditions. They passed these traditions down as they spread across North and South America, and when their numbers had increased enough, they started practicing agriculture and building towns. Just as it was in the old world, there must have been a period of gradual small scale domestication of crop plants before the agriculture really took hold. Likewise, I think a lot of mythological themes were carried across the Bering strait at that time and were passed down through the generations.
All of this is only speculation, but I think it seems very likely, based on the three principles I listed at the top of my post. However, if you put this all together, you can imagine traveling the ancient world as a trader, who comes from a port town with a long tradition of trading. You can imagine traveling to other trading centers scattered days and weeks apart, and coming into town with your shipment of fine obsidian, polished beads, fine furs, and other trade goods, and in turn picking up a load of whatever goods are available in that town.
You can imagine having a troubadour of sorts in your ship's complement, who swaps stories and epic songs with the locals. When you arrive at the village you're trading at, they'd probably declare a festival, and have a big pow wow at their ceremonial site. You could probably score with one of the young village girls, drink some fermented drink, and have a grand old time (making sure your men are still prepared against a sudden ambush, of course).
You can imagine being the chief of a tribe that controls 2-3 high value resources that happen to be close together, and growing your small village into a bigger town, such that you can start to keep a harem, live in a big house, and have the first choice of all the best food and other goods. Your village would have the strongest men with the best obsidian tipped spears, so you could go raid nearby nomadic tribes, kill the men, take their women and their weapons, tools, boats, etc., and settle your own people to roam the new hunting grounds. Good times!
Things like this must have happened all over the ancient world for a period of 10,000 years or more before the agricultural revolution. Even when the agricultural revolution came, that Neolithic era reached great heights of development during a period that lasted another 4000 years or so, until the times we know about, with the Sumerians, Egyptians, etc. It must have been a nasty, brutish and short life for most people, but for some exceptional men, it must have been like living in a modern fantasy adventure.
AceP
Woodpecker
I think to address this topic we first need to know what exactly is the oldest known record of civilization?
So far I believe all humankind stems out of this. The Annuaki. Translate to "God of the Sky"
All the stories in the bible, quran, everywhere else basically about the great flood etc. Stems out of this.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Anunnaki
There's a believe that humans are created by this alien race by taking one of earth's early inhabitants (apes) and added some of their like-ness. Not just some random mutation that suddenly make us stand out so much.
There are books about this. I only wished it backed with more mainstream scientific evidence.
So far I believe all humankind stems out of this. The Annuaki. Translate to "God of the Sky"
All the stories in the bible, quran, everywhere else basically about the great flood etc. Stems out of this.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Anunnaki
There's a believe that humans are created by this alien race by taking one of earth's early inhabitants (apes) and added some of their like-ness. Not just some random mutation that suddenly make us stand out so much.
There are books about this. I only wished it backed with more mainstream scientific evidence.
I am entertained by the ancient aliens or lost-civilization narratives (in sort of a late-night ghost story sort of way) but in the end I don't buy into them.
There is a high associated with discovery. It's a feeling that's quite addictive. I think these narratives provide this endless tantalizing itch that can never be fully scratched because history is so sketchy before the dawn of writing, and even after, things are open to so much interpretation.
It's the fog of history that facilitates conjecture and the internet allows us to cherry-pick our chosen "experts" and ignore skeptics.
Remember that at the end of the day it really doesn't matter whether there was an Atlantis or humans are the product of alien genetic engineering. We all have to get up each day, go to work, pay bills, and wrestle with a world that is increasingly hostile to straight men. It's fun to daydream about this stuff but that's all it really amounts to, a form of escapism.
There is a high associated with discovery. It's a feeling that's quite addictive. I think these narratives provide this endless tantalizing itch that can never be fully scratched because history is so sketchy before the dawn of writing, and even after, things are open to so much interpretation.
It's the fog of history that facilitates conjecture and the internet allows us to cherry-pick our chosen "experts" and ignore skeptics.
Remember that at the end of the day it really doesn't matter whether there was an Atlantis or humans are the product of alien genetic engineering. We all have to get up each day, go to work, pay bills, and wrestle with a world that is increasingly hostile to straight men. It's fun to daydream about this stuff but that's all it really amounts to, a form of escapism.