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<blockquote data-quote="Truth Tiger" data-source="post: 959395" data-attributes="member: 6371"><p>Greetings HA. Graham is excellent and covers so many topics. Have you also seen the work of Randall Carlson? There are some great JRE's with Graham and Randall. I'd check out Michael Cremo as well, along with Lloyd Pye. </p><p></p><p>I didn't know about the water trapped in the mantle, this is an excerpt from one article (<a href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rare-diamond-confirms-that-earths-mantle-holds-an-oceans-worth-of-water/" target="_blank">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rare-diamond-confirms-that-earths-mantle-holds-an-oceans-worth-of-water/</a>):</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The science doesn't suggest that water from a deluge filtered down to that level and I don't believe there were sudden movements to bring those water molecules suddenly upward. This is more of a gradual process, where plate subduction at the bottom of the ocean would move water molecules down while upward crustal displacement brings the hydroxide-molecule-carrying ringwoodite up where it could bind to a positively charged (hydrogen-rich) water molecule under pressure to create more ocean water. That's how I'm reading it at least. It seems a very elegant dance that happens to replenish the oceans. Though I still wonder where all the water came from in the first place unless there are geological explanations. </p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p>We've definitely lost multiple civilizations in the past 10,000 years and probably going back several hundred thousand years.</p><p></p><p>The comet impact hypothesis around 12,800 years ago as the cause of the Younger Dryas cooling has strong footing. The Younger Dryas cooling event ran counter to the warming trend as earth came out of the last glacial maximum and occurred very suddenly which has all the ear-marks of a catastrophe! </p><p></p><p><a href="https://news.ku.edu/2018/01/30/new-research-suggests-toward-end-ice-age-human-beings-witnessed-fires-larger-dinosaur" target="_blank">https://news.ku.edu/2018/01/30/new-research-suggests-toward-end-ice-age-human-beings-witnessed-fires-larger-dinosaur</a></p><p></p><p>and the new papers published this year:</p><p></p><p>Part 1 - <a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695703?journalCode=jg" target="_blank">https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695703?journalCode=jg</a></p><p>Part 2 - <a href="https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695704?journalCode=jg" target="_blank">https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695704?journalCode=jg</a></p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p>Along with the start of the Younger Dryas, which seems well-understood right now, it's very intriguing (and possibly very relevant to us now) as to how that ~1,300 year period suddenly ended. This again speaks to a large extra-terrestrial input of energy - or perhaps several. It could be a combination of Dr. Robert Schoch's solar-induced dark age (SIDA) event, of solar-generated electrical discharges through our atmosphere and across the planet which scorched the deserts and areas around the planet. </p><p></p><p>If the earth's atmosphere was robbed of ozone due to byproducts from the fires after the comet fragment impacts, that could add another cause to the rapid deaths (due to UVB damage) as well as cancers and possible mutations in the offspring of survivors. Also, if the earth's magnetosphere was in a compromised state (as we're beginning to see now with the onset of the Eddy Grand Solar Minimum due to an increasing divergence between the sun's northern and southern magnetic fields) then it's possible a series of coronal discharges from the sun could have had massive effects on the planet. Even if the magnetosphere wasn't weakened, we've already seen disruptions from massive flares - with potential for massive electrical grid disruptions. </p><p></p><p>Interesting paper talking about atmospheric effects of comet impacts (mentions Tunguska comet airburst):</p><p><a href="https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1067.pdf" target="_blank">https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1067.pdf</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My guess is that for the end of the Younger Dryas (~11,500 years ago) there may have been comet fragments impacting the earth. The heightening electrical activity could increase the amplitude of solar discharges on the earth. Think the aurora borealis and australis but MUCH bigger! </p><p></p><p>There is evidence that the Mississippi River experienced several megaflood events which correlate time-wise to the big Meltwater Pulses 1A and 1B:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1B" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1B</a></p><p></p><p>The second event, Meltwater Pulse 1B, is more closely correlated to the end of the Younger Dryas. </p><p></p><p>Some interesting quotes from here:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/mysterious-meltwater-pulse-1a.113807/" target="_blank">https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/mysterious-meltwater-pulse-1a.113807/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p>I'd dive into the works of Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock for these subjects, and also Dr. Robert Schoch's work although he doesn't accept the comet impact hypothesis which seems very short-sighted given the evidence. </p><p></p><p>We're starting to see some very strange electrical behaviors around the world so there is certainly a possibility that more severe disruptions are possible. Crop losses have been increased year over year. Flooding in Africa, late season snow storms in the northeast, delayed crop planting in the upper Midwest. We're entering into a Grand Solar Minimum which has serious implications and is NOT being covered widely in the media. </p><p></p><p>I do love discovering more about the origins of human history, but catastrophes are part of human history too. It's crucial that we as red pill men become aware that major changes are taking place on earth due to changes inside the sun. Getting more self-sufficient is very important. That needs to be another thread which apparently I'll need to start.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Truth Tiger, post: 959395, member: 6371"] Greetings HA. Graham is excellent and covers so many topics. Have you also seen the work of Randall Carlson? There are some great JRE's with Graham and Randall. I'd check out Michael Cremo as well, along with Lloyd Pye. I didn't know about the water trapped in the mantle, this is an excerpt from one article ([URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rare-diamond-confirms-that-earths-mantle-holds-an-oceans-worth-of-water/[/URL]): The science doesn't suggest that water from a deluge filtered down to that level and I don't believe there were sudden movements to bring those water molecules suddenly upward. This is more of a gradual process, where plate subduction at the bottom of the ocean would move water molecules down while upward crustal displacement brings the hydroxide-molecule-carrying ringwoodite up where it could bind to a positively charged (hydrogen-rich) water molecule under pressure to create more ocean water. That's how I'm reading it at least. It seems a very elegant dance that happens to replenish the oceans. Though I still wonder where all the water came from in the first place unless there are geological explanations. === We've definitely lost multiple civilizations in the past 10,000 years and probably going back several hundred thousand years. The comet impact hypothesis around 12,800 years ago as the cause of the Younger Dryas cooling has strong footing. The Younger Dryas cooling event ran counter to the warming trend as earth came out of the last glacial maximum and occurred very suddenly which has all the ear-marks of a catastrophe! [URL]https://news.ku.edu/2018/01/30/new-research-suggests-toward-end-ice-age-human-beings-witnessed-fires-larger-dinosaur[/URL] and the new papers published this year: Part 1 - [URL]https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695703?journalCode=jg[/URL] Part 2 - [URL]https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/695704?journalCode=jg[/URL] === Along with the start of the Younger Dryas, which seems well-understood right now, it's very intriguing (and possibly very relevant to us now) as to how that ~1,300 year period suddenly ended. This again speaks to a large extra-terrestrial input of energy - or perhaps several. It could be a combination of Dr. Robert Schoch's solar-induced dark age (SIDA) event, of solar-generated electrical discharges through our atmosphere and across the planet which scorched the deserts and areas around the planet. If the earth's atmosphere was robbed of ozone due to byproducts from the fires after the comet fragment impacts, that could add another cause to the rapid deaths (due to UVB damage) as well as cancers and possible mutations in the offspring of survivors. Also, if the earth's magnetosphere was in a compromised state (as we're beginning to see now with the onset of the Eddy Grand Solar Minimum due to an increasing divergence between the sun's northern and southern magnetic fields) then it's possible a series of coronal discharges from the sun could have had massive effects on the planet. Even if the magnetosphere wasn't weakened, we've already seen disruptions from massive flares - with potential for massive electrical grid disruptions. Interesting paper talking about atmospheric effects of comet impacts (mentions Tunguska comet airburst): [URL]https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0907/0907.1067.pdf[/URL] My guess is that for the end of the Younger Dryas (~11,500 years ago) there may have been comet fragments impacting the earth. The heightening electrical activity could increase the amplitude of solar discharges on the earth. Think the aurora borealis and australis but MUCH bigger! There is evidence that the Mississippi River experienced several megaflood events which correlate time-wise to the big Meltwater Pulses 1A and 1B: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A[/URL] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1B[/URL] The second event, Meltwater Pulse 1B, is more closely correlated to the end of the Younger Dryas. Some interesting quotes from here: [URL]https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/mysterious-meltwater-pulse-1a.113807/[/URL] === I'd dive into the works of Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock for these subjects, and also Dr. Robert Schoch's work although he doesn't accept the comet impact hypothesis which seems very short-sighted given the evidence. We're starting to see some very strange electrical behaviors around the world so there is certainly a possibility that more severe disruptions are possible. Crop losses have been increased year over year. Flooding in Africa, late season snow storms in the northeast, delayed crop planting in the upper Midwest. We're entering into a Grand Solar Minimum which has serious implications and is NOT being covered widely in the media. I do love discovering more about the origins of human history, but catastrophes are part of human history too. It's crucial that we as red pill men become aware that major changes are taking place on earth due to changes inside the sun. Getting more self-sufficient is very important. That needs to be another thread which apparently I'll need to start. [/QUOTE]
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