Is Iceland the most degenerated country in Europe?

Hannibal

Ostrich
Gold Member
They had books, the Christians burned them.
The metallurgy of the northern europeans was without equal and that was pre christian. It took modern techniques to be able to match the craftsmanship of the swords.
Vikings invented the most hydrodynamic shape of boat, it is still used today.
Their agriculture was fine. The introduction of the bean led to the age of Viking conquest.
Scandinavians were excellent traders, they did not need christians to teach them that.

I get what youre trying to convey, but the introduction of christianity does not lead to some mastery over the natural world. It is easily observed that luciferian doctrine brings the hidden knowledge that comes at an enormous cost to the user (adam and eve). If you're praying to a god and he makes you rich, wealthy and powerful, you can bet good money that he is not the Christian God.

The introduction of fire kept us warm and cooked our food. Now warmth is a requirement as we are too weak to keep ourselves warm, and raw meat can poison us, whereas our early ancestors fed on the carcasses of dead animals without trouble.

The introduction of agriculture gave us food when the hunts were slim. A faustian bargain, as we have property rights that, better or worse, cause massive scale wars among millions of (unfit) people that wouldnt be alive today without agriculture. Not to mention the diabetes, teeth problems, heart disease, cancer, and all levels of general physical and mental deformities that we can attribute to a grain heavy diet. We also get plagues caused by rats and insects that feed on the crops that we raise. God gave us steak, the devil gave us bread and beer.

Silverware allowed us to sit at the table and eat. Now we can not eat without it, as the front teeth no longer line up properly with the bottom row.

The industrial revolution replaced our muscles with mechanical ones. As a result, you are on average the weakest, dumbest and least virile in your lineage. Your knowledge of the natural world and how to survive in it is likely the least of that lineage, too.

None of those examples you listed were Christian societies. The romans were pagan for much of their glory and the greeks were extremely pagan. You could easily make the argument that societies begin to fail because of Christianity based on your reasoning (Christianity was introduced to Scandinavia centuries before the middle ages). Rome also fell 80 years after Christianity was made official. Rome was made Christian in 323 AD. It fell around 400, due to all those pagan invaders.

As far as making the argument that Christianity made the renaissance, you could just as easily argue that millennia of European paganism incubated it, molded the people in a certain way, as Christianity had a serious head start in the middle east and it was and continues to be a shithole. Christianity was so successful there that it doesn't exist, it was wiped out by Muslims 600 years after it started.
 

Hypno

Hummingbird
Didn’t the Vikings discover America before the Southern Europeans 500 years before the printing press? Not many books anywhere before the printing press.
 
First of all - the thread was started by a Muslim with a clear agenda.

Second - Iceland had a historic explanation for it - as likely a good portion of the population was wiped out with the marvelous smallpox vaccine (there are studies out on towns in England with those who had massive vaccination in the 18th and 19th century and then others which had received nothing - the unvaccinated had much lower mortality across the board).

So women were behaving already a bit different in terms of having kids from other men.

But what Muslims here miss is that Iceland still was able to produce a society far richer, more advanced and happy than any Muslim country out there - all without slavery and modern slavery of Philippino-maid-slaves and shitting on Instagram models. I know from girls who served some sheiks how really degenerate so many of them are - nevermind the backwardsness and relentless rape/harrassment in even less rich North African countries. su6CqgbVpzs

So comparing yourself to Iceland you would still lose on all metrics. The people of Iceland gave a finger to the bankers in 2009 and they gave a finger to the Gates-mafia in the virus hygiene-dictatorship push.

As one Islamic scholar said - "Europe is not a brothel. Their rules follow a different guideline, but there are rules in place nonetheless."

We know that the globalist agenda seems to be meshing well with what is happening there, but Iceland as mentioned has a historical precedent that faciliated that more. And I am not even defending that kind of behavior. Those tendencies can also be pushed back during tougher times or via simple changes. But once you become a low-IQ violent shithole, then it's over forever.
 

Goni

Robin
Lol at this poor soul above.

He has to come and destroy threads everywhere with his Muslim bullshits, which has has to mention every single time in every single topic.

I am actually christian in my origins and I am trying to be a practical Christian, despite the difficulties the modern days lifestyle and degerancy brings up.

I have lived and still live in a moderate Muslim country due to my job and unlike you I know these places far better , but thanks God I will never lose 12 hours a day like you bashing muslims and everything related to them.

I am not trying to bash or degrade any country or nation.

My question is legitimate.

Please stay on topic and stop with your conspiracies.

If you have nothing better to say , that do not say it at all.

The topic was being developed very well until you came here.

As for Iceland, it was a poor place until the 20th century.

Norway also was a poor place until 50s and 60s.

After that the Scandinavian countries became the prosperous economies that we see evan today.

Only Sweden was a productive country before WW2.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Hannibal said:
They had books, the Christians burned them.
The metallurgy of the northern europeans was without equal and that was pre christian. It took modern techniques to be able to match the craftsmanship of the swords.
Vikings invented the most hydrodynamic shape of boat, it is still used today.
Their agriculture was fine. The introduction of the bean led to the age of Viking conquest.
Scandinavians were excellent traders, they did not need christians to teach them that.

I get what youre trying to convey, but the introduction of christianity does not lead to some mastery over the natural world. It is easily observed that luciferian doctrine brings the hidden knowledge that comes at an enormous cost to the user (adam and eve). If you're praying to a god and he makes you rich, wealthy and powerful, you can bet good money that he is not the Christian God.

The introduction of fire kept us warm and cooked our food. Now warmth is a requirement as we are too weak to keep ourselves warm, and raw meat can poison us, whereas our early ancestors fed on the carcasses of dead animals without trouble.

The introduction of agriculture gave us food when the hunts were slim. A faustian bargain, as we have property rights that, better or worse, cause massive scale wars among millions of (unfit) people that wouldnt be alive today without agriculture. Not to mention the diabetes, teeth problems, heart disease, cancer, and all levels of general physical and mental deformities that we can attribute to a grain heavy diet. We also get plagues caused by rats and insects that feed on the crops that we raise. God gave us steak, the devil gave us bread and beer.

Silverware allowed us to sit at the table and eat. Now we can not eat without it, as the front teeth no longer line up properly with the bottom row.

The industrial revolution replaced our muscles with mechanical ones. As a result, you are on average the weakest, dumbest and least virile in your lineage. Your knowledge of the natural world and how to survive in it is likely the least of that lineage, too.

None of those examples you listed were Christian societies. The romans were pagan for much of their glory and the greeks were extremely pagan. You could easily make the argument that societies begin to fail because of Christianity based on your reasoning (Christianity was introduced to Scandinavia centuries before the middle ages). Rome also fell 80 years after Christianity was made official. Rome was made Christian in 323 AD. It fell around 400, due to all those pagan invaders.

As far as making the argument that Christianity made the renaissance, you could just as easily argue that millennia of European paganism incubated it, molded the people in a certain way, as Christianity had a serious head start in the middle east and it was and continues to be a shithole. Christianity was so successful there that it doesn't exist, it was wiped out by Muslims 600 years after it started.

You really can't learn about history by watching Vikings episodes on cable TV.

The Vikings were only exposed to modern metallurgy from German monks, who produced a lot of the finer swords they used like the famous Ulfbehrt blades, and Arab traders who provided them with Damascus Steel material.

Ulfberht Viking Sword: German Monks May Have Forged Superstrong Weapons

The book burning part here reminds me of that joke snotty Brits tell about how they've closed the National Irish library because they lost THE book... The Vikings had an aural saga storytelling history, like the American Indians or the Eskimos. No universities, or school system, which taught the average citizen how to read and write through books and a body of literature.

Too many other points to cover in this post. Rome had the technology, Grecian/Etruscan mediterrannean heritage, but it was a morally flawed society and that was the poison pill that ultimately brought that civilization down. My point there was to dispel the notion of northern European racial superiority by stating the fact that northern Europe was a technological, civilizational AND spiritual backwater before the arrival of Christendom.


The introduction of agriculture gave us food when the hunts were slim. A faustian bargain, as we have property rights that, better or worse, cause massive scale wars among millions of (unfit) people that wouldnt be alive today without agriculture. Not to mention the diabetes, teeth problems, heart disease, cancer, and all levels of general physical and mental deformities that we can attribute to a grain heavy diet. We also get plagues caused by rats and insects that feed on the crops that we raise. God gave us steak, the devil gave us bread and beer.
Diabetes, heart disease, cancer did not exist much in agrarian societies, those are modern agro-business postwar N. American lifestyle diseases. Agriculture has been around for over 10,000 years, its modern forms with steel tools were introduced to northern Europe by the monks. Before that, Germanic tribes were hunter-gatherers. This basic tribal structure confers a national character that is closer to those of Africa, which had a similar hunter-gatherer structure, than those of modern Europe.
 

Goni

Robin
Hannibal said:
They had books, the Christians burned them.
The metallurgy of the northern europeans was without equal and that was pre christian. It took modern techniques to be able to match the craftsmanship of the swords.
Vikings invented the most hydrodynamic shape of boat, it is still used today.
Their agriculture was fine. The introduction of the bean led to the age of Viking conquest.
Scandinavians were excellent traders, they did not need christians to teach them that.

I get what youre trying to convey, but the introduction of christianity does not lead to some mastery over the natural world. It is easily observed that luciferian doctrine brings the hidden knowledge that comes at an enormous cost to the user (adam and eve). If you're praying to a god and he makes you rich, wealthy and powerful, you can bet good money that he is not the Christian God.

The introduction of fire kept us warm and cooked our food. Now warmth is a requirement as we are too weak to keep ourselves warm, and raw meat can poison us, whereas our early ancestors fed on the carcasses of dead animals without trouble.

The introduction of agriculture gave us food when the hunts were slim. A faustian bargain, as we have property rights that, better or worse, cause massive scale wars among millions of (unfit) people that wouldnt be alive today without agriculture. Not to mention the diabetes, teeth problems, heart disease, cancer, and all levels of general physical and mental deformities that we can attribute to a grain heavy diet. We also get plagues caused by rats and insects that feed on the crops that we raise. God gave us steak, the devil gave us bread and beer.

Silverware allowed us to sit at the table and eat. Now we can not eat without it, as the front teeth no longer line up properly with the bottom row.

The industrial revolution replaced our muscles with mechanical ones. As a result, you are on average the weakest, dumbest and least virile in your lineage. Your knowledge of the natural world and how to survive in it is likely the least of that lineage, too.

None of those examples you listed were Christian societies. The romans were pagan for much of their glory and the greeks were extremely pagan. You could easily make the argument that societies begin to fail because of Christianity based on your reasoning (Christianity was introduced to Scandinavia centuries before the middle ages). Rome also fell 80 years after Christianity was made official. Rome was made Christian in 323 AD. It fell around 400, due to all those pagan invaders.

As far as making the argument that Christianity made the renaissance, you could just as easily argue that millennia of European paganism incubated it, molded the people in a certain way, as Christianity had a serious head start in the middle east and it was and continues to be a shithole. Christianity was so successful there that it doesn't exist, it was wiped out by Muslims 600 years after it started.
In the defence of 911, what ever you want to say and protect " muh European northern people" , you like it or not Germanic people and Scandinavians especially were backward savages in every sense.

They were living in houses made of grass and wood , with no civilisation what so ever. No developed culture, writings, no developed engineering or architecture or infrastructure etc.

No civilisation, no literature and no philosophy.

Evan in warfare they were not efficient. They were just very lucky to live far in the freezing north that no one would be interested to go there and conquer them.

Vikings were like blond gypsies, they killed and raped monks, killed unprotected villages and whenever they faced a professional army or army equal in numbers they lost everywhere.They barely won a big battle.

That is why they left no traces and no states. Only the Normans were successful, precisely because they heavily mixed with Latins , adopted Latin language and became Christians.

Making good swords and ships does not change this when Southern Europe and middle east had already developed philosophy, unmatched engineering, unmatched architecture, science, literature, water and road infrastructure, might military, big urban centres etc etc for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Germanics were literally hundreds if not thousands years more behind Southern Europe and middle east by early middle ages.

This started to change with Charlemagne, who created a true state based on imperial Roman traditions, started to adopt Latin everywhere , converted people to Christianity, and opened the gates of civilisation.

While Roman Empire was pagan and so where many developed civilisations of the ancient times , in the case of Germanics and Scandinavians , it was Christian Rome , Christian structures and Christian traditions that spread civilisation there.

And btw Rome felt in 476, not in 410.

While Rome felt, Eastern Rome continued for another 900 good years.

It was Christian Eastern Rome that spread civilisation to backward Slavs also that were as much savages as scandinavians.
 

STG

Sparrow
Charlemagne was a king of the Franks. The Franks were a Germanic tribe who came from Scandinavia.

The Nordics were warriors who conquered from Scandinavia all the way to North Africa. Where do you think the red/blonde hair and blue eyes in the Berber North African peoples come from? There is a genetic link between the Berbers and Scandinavians.

The Middle East of ancient times and the Middle East of today are completely different places with completely different people.

Do you think the people who live in Egypt today are the same ones of ancient Egypt?

The Arabs who conquered Spain, and the Islamized Persians and Moors, had a wonderful period of intellectual expansion during the seventh and following centuries. This amazing outburst of genius, which preserved for us much of the science and learning of the Greeks, came to an end when the Mediterranean Mohammedans began mixing their blood with that of their Negro slaves. Mohammedanism has always appealed to the lower races, especially the Negro, because when they became followers of the Prophet they were admitted to social and racial equality with the superior race. This and the lure of the Negro women ruined the Arab race. Today, all through Africa and Egypt and in parts of Arabia, the so-called Arabs are often Negroid in appearance. In this case polygamy was a racial curse because the richer and abler men had the most slave women and left a larger progeny of half-breed children than did their poorer countrymen
 

Hannibal

Ostrich
Gold Member
I didnt say they werent savages. They were the euro version of Native Americans, animal worship and blood sacrifices and other pagan shit. I was just saying that they werent complete idiots with no technology to speak of.

Christianity has been present on the african continent for millennia. Its still a hopeless shithole. It can domesticate but I think you guys are overselling the idea that Christianity confers some kind of preternatural intelligence in its adherents.

The persians, the egyptians, the sumerians, the romans, chinese, etc etc literally none of those civilizations did what they did with Christianity.
 

infowarrior1

Ostrich
ilostabet said:
In addition, because I only saw your follow up post now, the Renaissance was precisely the point where Europe started to reject God and his order, and put their faith in their technical capability. It was the start of the descent - descent from Christian meekness, from putting faith in God and putting faith in man's abilities, which to modern eyes looks like ascent to greatness. And that is exactly why they call it 'Renaissance' (obviously no bias there, right?). It's a rebirth, a going back to the pre-Christian civilization, and a rejection of the Christian societies that came before, that to this day are called by its enemies 'the dark ages'.
Agreed. Whilst Christianity helped to give rise to "Renaissance Europe" compared to other civilizations on the globe.

The apostasy is as you said largely.

I think that given the greater options provided by the secular sphere there is also more opportunities for the true spiritual state of said people to reveal themselves.

I believe that they are many people in the Middle Ages that are simply going through the motions because the Church is where the social life and status is at, not because they actually believe.
 

bucky

Pelican
infowarrior1 said:
I believe that they are many people in the Middle Ages that are simply going through the motions because the Church is where the social life and status is at, not because they actually believe.
Of course, much like Communism in the USSR or social justice and anti-racism nowadays in the West. There's always some dominant belief system that you have to at least pretend to follow unless you want your life to be very, very difficult.
 
I ve been with my wife three weeks to Iceland , quite long time ago.
Apart from a few shops and a few foreigners in Reykjavik , it seemed to be 100% white/icelandic.

Feminism is the only issue there. I didn't find any sort of sexual degeneracy , at least if there is , it is well hidden because i couldn't see it anywhere.
 
Polniy_Sostav said:
I ve been with my wife three weeks to Iceland , quite long time ago.
Apart from a few shops and a few foreigners in Reykjavik , it seemed to be 100% white/icelandic.

Feminism is the only issue there. I didn't find any sort of sexual degeneracy , at least if there is , it is well hidden because i couldn't see it anywhere.

>well hidden
 

bucky

Pelican
Dachanin said:
Polniy_Sostav said:
I ve been with my wife three weeks to Iceland , quite long time ago.
Apart from a few shops and a few foreigners in Reykjavik , it seemed to be 100% white/icelandic.

Feminism is the only issue there. I didn't find any sort of sexual degeneracy , at least if there is , it is well hidden because i couldn't see it anywhere.

>well hidden
Yikes. Textbook example of being sexual without being sexy. Something to add to my ever-growing list of things you're unlikely to see a churchgoing Latina do.
 

infowarrior1

Ostrich
Hannibal said:
I didnt say they werent savages. They were the euro version of Native Americans, animal worship and blood sacrifices and other pagan shit. I was just saying that they werent complete idiots with no technology to speak of.

Christianity has been present on the african continent for millennia. Its still a hopeless shithole. It can domesticate but I think you guys are overselling the idea that Christianity confers some kind of preternatural intelligence in its adherents.

The persians, the egyptians, the sumerians, the romans, chinese, etc etc literally none of those civilizations did what they did with Christianity.
Christianity didn't spread beyond Ethiopia until Western Missionaries spread beyond there. Here is a snapshot of Ethiopia:

Not a shithole. Likewise with Mali compared with rest of Sub-Saharan Africa.

Ethiopia Wuz Kangs. Except for the part where near the end the Ethiopian "Athaliah" nearly killed off the entire male line of the King she rebelled against almost ending his royal house.
 
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Lazuli Waves

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Dachanin said:
Polniy_Sostav said:
I ve been with my wife three weeks to Iceland , quite long time ago.
Apart from a few shops and a few foreigners in Reykjavik , it seemed to be 100% white/icelandic.

Feminism is the only issue there. I didn't find any sort of sexual degeneracy , at least if there is , it is well hidden because i couldn't see it anywhere.

>well hidden
"There’s more explicit messages that not all is well, though. Reykjavíkurdættur sing about feminism, gender equality, and (strikingly to me), homophobia. Their song ‘Næs í rassinn‘ (“Nice in the ass”) is all about anal sex, and it’s the one song I’ve seen them perform in English this Airwaves. They rap about the stigma surrounding bum fun and the concept of masculinity/femininity as it relates to sex. Their song (which is shockingly catchy, in English and Icelandic), discusses the lack of a positive discourse surrounding anal sex, the stigma that it’s “gay”, and that people should lighten up about it."
https://grapevine.is/icelandic-cult.../11/06/lots-of-hearts-positivity-at-airwaves/
 
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