Is Islam red pill?

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
MichaelWitcoff said:
The Renaissance was largely caused by the Crusaders who raped and pillaged their way through an Orthodox area, stealing the wealth and treasure of Constantinople and bringing it back to Rome.

This view of the 4th crusade needs balance. It didn't occur in a vacuum. From God's Battalions (Rodney Stark):

There even is a whole school of scholars who, in addition to lamenting the damage to the city, claim that the Fourth Crusade was from the start nothing but a diabolical Venetian plot to eliminate Byzantine commercial competition...Nothing here about the prior sacks of the city by Byzantines themselves during political coups: in 1081 Alexius Comnenus “allowed his foreign mercenaries to plunder the capital for three days.” Nor is there a word to acknowledge the centuries of Orthodox brutalities against Latin Christians: in 1182 the emperor incited mobs to attack all Western residents of Constantinople, during which “
 

Pinkman

 
Banned
Allowing men to take four wives is not a patriarch. It causes the majority of women to congregate among the top 20-30% of men, while the rest of the men will end up with nothing. It's pretty much what is happening in the West these days when women are allowed to choose freely.

So why is this bad for society? Civilization is built by the beta males and if they don't have access to a wife and family, they have nothing to motivate them. They will instead turn negative and aggressive.

A big reason for why Western nations succeeded so well was because of the one man, one woman policy. This gave even the bottom-tier men a reason to live and contribute to society.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Athanasius said:
MichaelWitcoff said:
The Renaissance was largely caused by the Crusaders who raped and pillaged their way through an Orthodox area, stealing the wealth and treasure of Constantinople and bringing it back to Rome.

This view of the 4th crusade needs balance. It didn't occur in a vacuum. From God's Battalions (Rodney Stark):

There even is a whole school of scholars who, in addition to lamenting the damage to the city, claim that the Fourth Crusade was from the start nothing but a diabolical Venetian plot to eliminate Byzantine commercial competition...Nothing here about the prior sacks of the city by Byzantines themselves during political coups: in 1081 Alexius Comnenus “allowed his foreign mercenaries to plunder the capital for three days.” Nor is there a word to acknowledge the centuries of Orthodox brutalities against Latin Christians: in 1182 the emperor incited mobs to attack all Western residents of Constantinople, during which “
 

OskuroPekenyo

 
Banned
Some will understand, others will not.

TLDR:
  • Red-pill is useful
  • Black-pill is useless
  • Some Islamic values on marriage
  • This is not a valid question


Red-pill and Black-pill

Red-pill is theoretical and observational. Game is the collection of strategies based on these concepts. None of this is science, just collected wisdom.

Arm-chair eugenics (IQ and race theories etc) is black-pill. It has no use in developing Game so it is not red-pill. This stuff does not get you a wife, they run away when they hear this stuff from you. This is anti-Game. It slowly kills the heart.

It is stupid and dysgenic for the one partaking in it. Its like one is trying to farm people. Its tasteless.

It is true that matrimony is demographics and a morally bad game makes morally bad players, this is common sense. Naturally, one would develop bad strategies to win.

Just family laws, good morals and good ideal role models (for each type of economic and gender role and type of person) are time-tested and more than enough to maintain a good game. The is no need to track the migration of IQ in 8723 BCE. No need for alpha this and beta that in demographics.

Some people are ahead in this, others behind. Some catch up, others lose position. Its just life man.

Simple self-improvement and good morals lead to a fulfilling life. A community of this and a family, simple.

All these pills are not good for you and waste your time.

Islam
On Marriage
Islam brings polygamy to public and then limits it to four. There is no hidden defacto polygamy. The husband is fully responsible for all of his wives and their children.

Also, the father of the bride can VETO the marriage if he does not like the situation that she is marrying into. She chooses who she wants and the father approves.

If she wants a monogamy, and majority of the people are monogamous, she will choose accordingly.

This stuff about a minority marrying up all the women and the rest being left alone is not true.

Values
Islam sets the guideline that men and women should not imitate each other.

It promotes strength and knowledge in men. Both study the scripture and have the same spiritual duties (five pillars etc).

Differences between the sexes are recognized and mentioned, and people build their gender roles according to how they divide labor in their environment.

It has just family laws, sets out what is moral and what is not and sets good role models.

Islam protects marriage and family.

Is a religion red-pill?

Religion comes with Belief, Practice and Law.

OP's question actually concerns the latter two.

So is the Practice and the Law consistent with a Red-pill world view?

The question is invalid as it places the Red-pill world view above the religious world view.

Next thread from OP: "Is Jesus Red-pill?"
 

Samseau

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Athanasius said:
MichaelWitcoff said:
The Renaissance was largely caused by the Crusaders who raped and pillaged their way through an Orthodox area, stealing the wealth and treasure of Constantinople and bringing it back to Rome.

This view of the 4th crusade needs balance. It didn't occur in a vacuum. From God's Battalions (Rodney Stark):

There even is a whole school of scholars who, in addition to lamenting the damage to the city, claim that the Fourth Crusade was from the start nothing but a diabolical Venetian plot to eliminate Byzantine commercial competition...Nothing here about the prior sacks of the city by Byzantines themselves during political coups: in 1081 Alexius Comnenus “allowed his foreign mercenaries to plunder the capital for three days.” Nor is there a word to acknowledge the centuries of Orthodox brutalities against Latin Christians: in 1182 the emperor incited mobs to attack all Western residents of Constantinople, during which “
 
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