Is Islam red pill?

[007]

This thread is getting too halal for me, not good for me as I am a haraam professional. Protect ya neck, and ya foreskins.

By the way, this is my next red pill date

 

[Comte De St. Germain]

I'm just gonna stick around to see if it gets as bad as the Jew thread. Both sides will bring up valid points and yell at each other without compromising. Proceed and we'll note another 20 pages of insightful thinking mixed with blind ignorance. I think Vicious and TurkishCandy with his post about sexual repression summed it up perfectly at this point, but as we know we'll be continuing this argument. Proceed.

 

[soup]

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

 

[mikado]

Who exactly said everyone should kill himself to get 72 virgins?

Give me the exact quote promoting violence and murder.

To Soup:
Jews promote fiction as reality.
It's mad beta to rule the world while retaining the idea of racial supremacy because you were oppressed for centuries.

 

[007]

It's even more beta for the 'Islamic Morality Police' in Saudi Arabia to butt rape men for the crime of being a fag. Tell me, how does a straight man get aroused enough to butt rape another man? Simple... he's a fag himself.

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

 

[Muk]

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

It's also directly against Islam. Suicide sends them straight to hell, no matter how many "infidels" they take with them. There aren't 70 virgins waiting for them.

 

[mikado]

It's even more beta for the 'Islamic Morality Police' in Saudi Arabia to butt rape men for the crime of being a fag. Tell me, how does a straight man get aroused enough to butt rape another man? Simple... he's a fag himself.

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

Now give me the exact quote in the Kuran or the life of Muhammad where it is said to rape men for being homosexual.
The key words are : "Saudi Arabia"
I think many of you should make the difference between what's written in the Kuran and the interpretation done in Saudi Arabia and the Arabian countries near it, vs Islamic rules in Africa, the West, Asia...

From what I see on this forum, too many people here are lazy enough to search for quotes and/or clear information about the different applications of islam in the different countries.

I would not dare take the way some catholics believe, then extend it to the whole Christianity .Nor generalize the orthodox' rules.
Give me a clear breakdown of how every point of contention you list is applied towards general streams of Islam ( chiites, sunnites, islam in the west, in West Africa, in Saudi Arabia etc) , then we can talk more about it.

Kinda like what people did with the Jewish thread, when they distinguished the Jewish motives and behaviour in Israel, Europe, USA...

 

[JDresden]

It's even more beta for the 'Islamic Morality Police' in Saudi Arabia to butt rape men for the crime of being a fag. Tell me, how does a straight man get aroused enough to butt rape another man? Simple... he's a fag himself.

I made a direct post to you challenging your assertions and all you've done is try to reframe the thread with your picture and then throw out more assertions. This forum is for masculine men (or for those on their way) and all you've demonstrated is feminine behavior. I shouldn't be surprised I suppose. After all, you're not the first person I've challenged and had run away on this forum.

I'd also like to see some evidence for your assertion in this post as well.

 

[JDresden]

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

Muslims don't kill themselves for women. Why would we? We can have multiple wives already. The virgins, like numerous other things, are a reward for those who enter Paradise.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

My thoughts.

First off, I'm not a Muslim. I have no interest in promoting any one religion over another.

But from what I know and have studied about Islam and Middle Eastern societies, I can say that Islam is probably the most traditionally "masculine" of all the major world religions. Maybe even excessively so. All in all, making all allowances, it cultivates a stern, masculine ethos.

That does not mean it's for everyone. It is very rule-driven, much like orthodox Judaism. In fact, those who know Judaism will be surprised at how similar Islam is to Judaism. The moral code, dietary laws, monotheism, and overall puritanical aspects of it all reflect Judaic influence.

I suppose for us RVF guys, it's attraction seems to be the fact that it is unapologetic about putting women in their place. Muslim men totally reject all this feminist bullshit.

I can understand its attraction to many people in today's societies in Europe and the US. Islam offers strict discipline, rules, structure, a moral code, an uncompromising advocacy of monotheism, and a zealously expansionist ethic.

Does the future belong to them? Good question...maybe, maybe not.

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[Bill]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

"Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths."

 

[mikado]

My thoughts.

First off, I'm not a Muslim. I have no interest in promoting any one religion over another.

But from what I know and have studied about Islam and Middle Eastern societies, I can say that Islam is probably the most traditionally "masculine" of all the major world religions. Maybe even excessively so. All in all, making all allowances, it cultivates a stern, masculine ethos.

That does not mean it's for everyone. It is very rule-driven, much like orthodox Judaism. In fact, those who know Judaism will be surprised at how similar Islam is to Judaism. The moral code, dietary laws, monotheism, and overall puritanical aspects of it all reflect Judaic influence.

I suppose for us RVF guys, it's attraction seems to be the fact that it is unapologetic about putting women in their place. Muslim men totally reject all this feminist bullshit.

I can understand its attraction to many people in today's societies in Europe and the US. Islam offers strict discipline, rules, structure, a moral code, an uncompromising advocacy of monotheism, and a zealously expansionist ethic.

Does the future belong to them? Good question...maybe, maybe not.

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This is because Islam and Judaism ( at least for Muslims) come from the same root: Abraham.
Btw you are right, Islam does not advocate feminism. However, to those who say it doesn't care about women except for their pussy

- The Prophet said that the best Muslim was the best towards his wife.
-Women are exempted from fasting when they are on their period.
-Calomniating women is harshly punished, way more than calomny towards men.
-Men have to provide the future spouse with some items/money before the marriage.
- Quote from The Prophet : "Paradise is under your mother's feet"
-The mother is the person whom we should respect the most, three more times than the father. Father comes next.
-At the time, no religion or "mainstream stream" entitled women to a significant part of their husband's heritage. Islam fixed that.
-At the time before the Prophet, People from Mecca would bury their girls alive, when they were born.
- You have to support your family no matter what.

I stand again by my requisite on the first page, if you have some concern over Islam.

 

[mikado]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

"Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths."

This was in response to several attacks from Meccans, who broke the treaties they signed with Muslims.

Read this

I will use the same strategy as you , and provide my link too.

 

[007]

"Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation" - Yeh right, I'll leave it at that bro.

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

Muslims don't kill themselves for women. Why would we? We can have multiple wives already. The virgins, like numerous other things, are a reward for those who enter Paradise.

 

[mikado]

"Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation" - I'll leave it at that bro, stay halal.

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

Muslims don't kill themselves for women. Why would we? We can have multiple wives already. The virgins, like numerous other things, are a reward for those who enter Paradise.

Lol yeah. Though I believe he is right, this is not really an argument in this discussion.

 

[007]

Mikado, I appreciate your love for your religion bro, I really do. I was just busting some balls (especially that other fool). You have to admit though, that sometimes it is very hard to separate muslim religious vs muslim cultural traits / quirks. Many a time it seems like the cultural quirks stem directly from religious sources. Especially when I hear what some of your imams and mullahs say.

Although I am a big fan of this particular Mullah, I actually agree with his method of wife beating.


@ JDresden - There was a big outbreak of swineflu in Mecca, is that considered haram? (serious question)

"Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation" - I'll leave it at that bro, stay halal.

Redpill is about recognizing truth, so how can any religion be redpill? Islam promotes fiction as reality.

Absolutely. Islam is Divine Revelation.

It's mad beta to kill yourself for 70 virgins because you don't have any game to get many girls in real life.

Muslims don't kill themselves for women. Why would we? We can have multiple wives already. The virgins, like numerous other things, are a reward for those who enter Paradise.

Lol yeah. Though I believe he is right, this is not really an argument in this discussion.

 

[Comte De St. Germain]

Meh I'll add in a neutral POV that someone already mentioned. I think it's best to take the best from everything and not follow the rest. It's the reason I don't really follow a religion. I took the best from every religious or spiritual faith from Judaism, Christianity, and Islam to Buddhism and Taoism(I would include Shintoism with the more Asian belief systems but it has more religious bearings than the rest) as well as even moral systems such as Confucianist thinking and Legalistic thinking, and added to my beliefs while leaving the worst behind. No belief is inherently bad, you just choose to follow all of it or interpret it in a certain manner. All this considered, I sincerely hope this doesn't devolve into 9/11 conspiracy stuff and American patriotic bull crap that tends to happen on any political forum.

 

[mikado]

Don't worry, Islam asks Muslims to never stop learning, and not just blindly believe facts, but use reason.

There is also something to consider: the cultural Arabian stuff mixing with the original precepts of Kuran.
You'd be surprised by all the things Islam never prescribed , but are believed by some Muslims ( and Non Muslims).
Also, Muslims are definitely not a unity yet , especially when you look at the racial tensions ( mostly one-sided, directed to Black people who are considered inferior, even if Muslims).

 

[Comte De St. Germain]

Don't worry, Islam asks Muslims to never stop learning, and not just blindly believe facts, but use reason.

There is also something to consider: the cultural Arabian stuff mixing with the original precepts of Kuran.
You'd be surprised by all the things Islam never prescribed , but are believed by some Muslims ( and Non Muslims).
Also, Muslims are definitely not a unity yet , especially when you look at the racial tensions ( mostly one-sided, directed to Black people who are considered inferior, even if Muslims).

Black Muslims in Arab countries are discriminated against and a major reason for my distaste in Arabs. The terrorist crap never got to me, but the hypocritical and elitist Arabs never ceased to irk me.

Side note: Pakistani and Indian Muslims discriminate as well but are more accepting of converts. The Arabs on the other hand are complete dicks.

 

[Comte De St. Germain]

Adding in Arabs have stigma towards whites marrying Arab girls, but the other way around is usually fine.