Is Islam red pill?

[JDresden]

One thing I don't understand about Islam is the whole 4 wives thing.
First of all its statistically impossible for this to happen as for every 1 female born there are usually 1.05 men born.

This is an excellent question.
I'm not sure how accurate that stat is but for the sake of the question let's assume that it is factual.

So how do you actually get more than one wife, say you have a wife. But you want another one do you go through your family or do you have to meet them and their family in person i.e. at a mosque. Do you have to be able to prove you can financially support another wife etc. So to stop guys taking on more than they can handle so to speak.

Networking through family, friends, and the mosque are excellent options. It is the right of the wife to be supported. Meaning the husband is responsible for clothing, food, and housing. If the husband wants to produce documents outlining his financial fitness he is certainly welcome to do so but it isn't neccessary. The wife is going to find out sooner or later if he can't support her and she can divorce him because of it if she so chooses.

Or is it a case where only the some men get 4 wives but if this is the case what happens to the guys at the bottom of the food chain do they not get a wife, as if this is the case you're going to have a lot of angry young men wandering around which isn't good for society. An example being the "lost boys" in polygamous Mormon communities

Any male can have more than one wife as long as he can fulfill the rights of each wife. What happened to the "lost boys" is truly a disgusting situation. We have to understand that just because polygyny is perfectly permissible, and even encouraged, not everyone will have the emotional or financial capacity to deal with multiple families. So as we see now it is only a minority of men who take on these responsibilities in locations where it is permissible.

Generally, when countries experienced an abundance of young men it was considered the perfect opportunity to expand borders and secure more resources (that includes women).

With the obvious demographics above what happens if you or your family can't find a wife for you as said above do you just have to wait for one , do you have to work harder to prove to the community you deserve a wife. Its not like there's a free for all like in western countries.

If he can't find a wife around him he should travel to areas that have them available.

Finally is this whole 4 wives thing bullshit whereas the only guys that get 4 wives are the super alphas so it doesn't affect the numbers so much. i.e. basically every normal guy gets a wife.

Seems to be, If we define the super alpha as those who go through with multiple marriages.

 

[El Chinito loco]

I've been in many many islamic countries (across asia and the gulf) and the religion breeds blue pill actions and thinking in my opinion. In the UAE you see lots of baller type muslim gulf arabs but a lot of them are raised in a strong gender segregationist environment which ends up creating men with overall low social skills and a culture which ironically ends up pedastalizing women through sexual repression.

A lot of gulf arab guys and other rich muslims pretend to be players but are in reality throwing money at women to get what they want. This is basically resorting to monetary compensation ie. prostitution which is not game or red pill thinking.

 

[LeBeau]

I've seen these debates pop up now and then for multiple religions, and a big aspect that people gloss over, is what allows us to discuss Red Pill beliefs in the first place:

- Freedom of speech
- A focus on reason, logic and avoidance of fallacies
- Belief in the scientific method of testing and falsifiability

You can't possibly consider something Red Pill if it doesn't meet those beginning characteristics, and everywhere that Islam is predominant, you find those features censored, punished, or considered heretical.

Make rationalizations around multiple wives, traditional gender roles, etc. it doesn't matter, those all fall apart when you look at the repressive foundations of Islam and how it is practiced today.

 

[turkishcandy]

I've seen these debates pop up now and then for multiple religions, and a big aspect that people gloss over, is what allows us to discuss Red Pill beliefs in the first place:

- Freedom of speech
- A focus on reason, logic and avoidance of fallacies
- Belief in the scientific method of testing and falsifiability

You can't possibly consider something Red Pill if it doesn't meet those beginning characteristics

who came up with this definition? let's define red pill first then it will be obvious whether islam fits it or not

 

[Bushido]

Religion functions as a means of controlling the masses. I fail to see how Islam can be red pill.

Maybe it's just me but I wonder what brings Muslims to a Game forum anyway?

Is there such thing as Muslim game?

Do guys do street game in Saudi Arabia?

Just wondering.

 

[Comte De St. Germain]

Well I'd say that Western society has forced them. Reasonably saying I personally have accepted the freedom I have been given and am making the most of it. If given opportunity the smart have to act. I personally I found myself disillusioned with the modern culture of those societies and am instead trying to blaze my own path through the world. There is a strong possibility that is why Muslims would join this forum. There will be varying levels of hedonism(mine personally being high), and some may just be here to figure out women. To each their own.

 

[Hotwheels]

I see a lot of guys seem to think "red pill"="game".

They are two separate things.

Just because a guy is red pill doesn't mean he has game.

Game really has no place being brought up in a religious discussion as most religions are based on a man providing for a woman in marriage.

 

[Simple Man]

I see a lot of guys seem to think "red pill"="game".

They are two separate things.

Just because a guy is red pill doesn't mean he has game.

Game really has no place being brought up in a religious discussion as most religions are based on a man providing for a woman in marriage.

Good point. I guess you can say that religions advocate solid LTR game but they would all shun the player lifestyle.

 

[Earth]

They belive in afterlife.

So, hell no.

ditto

 

[Hotwheels]

I see a lot of guys seem to think "red pill"="game".

They are two separate things.

Just because a guy is red pill doesn't mean he has game.

Game really has no place being brought up in a religious discussion as most religions are based on a man providing for a woman in marriage.

Good point. I guess you can say that religions advocate solid LTR game but they would all shun the player lifestyle.

Exactly. Religion, as I understand it, is primarily a way to promote the prosperity and cohesiveness of the tribe or group by mandating social norms that eliminate things such as promiscuity and adultery that undermine the family unit.


I'm no religious scholar by any means, but that's always been my take.

 

[soup]

Religion asks people to a take a ridiculous leap of faith. For most people it's about how much you trust the person giving you the info.

 

[Hotwheels]

Religion asks people to a take a ridiculous leap of faith. For most people it's about how much you trust the person giving you the info.

Forget the God, Jesus, Allah, Budda, etc part and look at the lifestyle they promote.

Hundreds/thousands of years ago people were simpler and didn't question things like they do now, so it was easier to control the masses with the Wrath of God hanging over them.

 

[soup]

Religion asks people to a take a ridiculous leap of faith. For most people it's about how much you trust the person giving you the info.

Forget the God, Jesus, Allah, Budda, etc part and look at the lifestyle they promote.

Hundreds/thousands of years ago people were simpler and didn't question things like they do now, so it was easier to control the masses with the Wrath of God hanging over them.

Redpill needs to stop whining about bringing back the past.

Do you know what that makes us?

Romanticists. Goths.

Unless you are in a real position of power to change things to be the way you want, you are just complaining to the air.

Learn to separate the good from the bullshit.

Yes, maybe things were more natural in the past. Humans do not need to be deluded to be happy though. They do not need child-level comfort items like the old/new testament god.

We don't need to have our responsibility displaced on to some outside force- be it god, "The Jews", the "X" or whatever you want to call it.

There are memes that do take root in our subconscious, but if you work at being present, you can see them as not part of you.

 

[Sp5]

I was in a LTR with one Muslim woman and dated others. It was always fun to tease them with the four wives thing, but women always interpreted Islam in a feminist way, for example saying that a man needed the wife's permission to take additional wives. Which I don't think is in the text of the Quran or the hadiths.

You also have to distinguish Islam from Arab or other tribal practices. A lot of Arab society is extremely patriarchal, but at the same time can go too far in mate- or daughter-guarding to the extreme of honor-killing (also among the non-Arab Kurds and Persians but not so much among Muslim Malays).

Agree with those who note that Arab guys generally do not have good game, because the opportunity to exercise it is not there. If you make an approach in a lot of Muslim countries, other people on the street or mall will stop and watch you talk to the woman with the stink eye. I've read a lot about using Bluetooth, but never tried it, but have used Tango and WeChat in Gulf countries (but only successfully with Filipina guest workers).

 

[svenski7]

Islam is extremely blue pill. I've never seen bigger dredges than the Saudi men I've met in my life. The first time I got pegged as "a player" was when I tried to impart basic Game knowledge to some Saudis complaining about not being able to meet girls. The friendship immediately ended and I learned my lesson.

Also, in regards to Saudi Arabia buttfucking homos out of ignorance of the Koran -- please. That's like telling me the Vatican doesn't have any copies of Bible. Where are the holy cities of Mecca and Medina? Do they not have any Imams handy to correct this homo for homo practice?

You think it's red pill to have a harem? Come to Thailand and get a few geeks (sp). Convert to LDS church.

 

[All or Nothing]

Yes, maybe things were more natural in the past. Humans do not need to be deluded to be happy though. They do not need child-level comfort items like the old/new testament god.

Most men cannot live without a clearly delineated reason to exist.

Give man a reason to exist and a system of values and you give him the world.

I do not believe in God or Jesus, but I know for a fact that would not be alive to day if it was not for Christianity.

I can only hope that as I grow older that in my personal life, I can begin to find strength in the Christian values that brought me to the world.

 

[Bill]

Yeah many people need a lie to function. The problem starts when they try to impose these lies to others. These lies create even greater problems as one has to face reality some day and things will get ugly.

Sometimes not to live is better than to live under a lie.

 

[Crackshot]

I dislike Saudis and Pakistani culture as much as the next man, but if whites for example were fo adopt Islam it would make more sense to see how Bosnians, Chechens, or Macedonian Muslims live their lives

 

[Switch]

Islam is extremely blue pill. I've never seen bigger dredges than the Saudi men I've met in my life. The first time I got pegged as "a player" was when I tried to impart basic Game knowledge to some Saudis complaining about not being able to meet girls. The friendship immediately ended and I learned my lesson.

Also, in regards to Saudi Arabia buttfucking homos out of ignorance of the Koran -- please. That's like telling me the Vatican doesn't have any copies of Bible. Where are the holy cities of Mecca and Medina? Do they not have any Imams handy to correct this homo for homo practice?

You think it's red pill to have a harem? Come to Thailand and get a few geeks (sp). Convert to LDS church.

If someone's looking for a religion that will allow you access to traditional family values, patriarchy, etc, Mormonism is a great way to go. White feminine girls. Successful group of people, too. Mormons are some of the most successful people in America, in terms of wealth, if I'm not mistaken. The girls can actually be pretty hot. On par with the hottest girls in America, they are just conservative.

 

[Mage]

Islam is red pill as a concept. Mohammed was a badass red pill dude who designed a religion of his own so that it would be patriarchal, fruitful and aggressive. He needed a powerful ideology to boost his conquests and he was very successful in using it.

But this does not mean that individual Muslims are red pill. Vast majority of people are always simpletons. The vast majority does not understand the reasons why they are told by their religion to do what they are told. They just believe that Quran is the will of God and that's it.

This is the same with all major religions. Red pill guys with big beards want to do some social engineering to create social order and civilization out of the egoistic masses worshiping the golden calf. They write sacred books to tell people to behave for a personal reward in afterlife, although the real reward is a prosperous and culturally homogenous society. The people read these books, believe them and prosper. Time goes, the esoteric red pill meaning of the sacred texts is forgotten and people start seeing sacred texts as mere fairy tales or contradictory historical records. People start to question their beliefs and eventually abandon them. People start to cheat, slut around, cuckold, divorce, sodomize, lie, steal and atrophy. Society crumbles. A group of wise bearded men see this, learn from the mistakes of the failing society and write a new book. The cycle repeats again.