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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Comte De St. Germain" data-source="post: 491126" data-attributes="member: 6151"><p>Any discussion of this sort is polarizing. Unless you look at things objectively and ignore the varying interpretations(note look at TurkishCandy's post about sexual repression, Vicious' first post about the Ottomans, or Quintus' post about the appeal it has) then that personally I think is not polarizing. The majority of this thread is polarized because each side is speaking one interpretation of beliefs, and not ignoring them for a second and looking at the after effect. Frankly, I believe that arguing the belief system like amateur religious scholars is fruitless and creating polarization. Instead if is much better to bring up the effects today with as little reference to the religion's beliefs as possible. We should be talking cultural and social effects not beliefs like theologians.</p></blockquote><p></p>