Is it ethical and/or wise to lie to become vaccine compliant?

Hello again.
There is only one main thing I am actually trying to get across and it is that of empathy, solidarity, truth and ethics.
So let's imagine the following:

60% have the real pass, 35 % have the fake pass, 5% have none.

The MSM is reporting daily that 95% are vaxxed, and 5% are unvaxed. The vaxed are consuming the MSM daily.

Then the clamp-down against the unvaxed begins.

How high is the threshold for the 35% to out themselves and join the 5% in support against the 60% and the state?
How is love and empathy of the vaxed (towards the unvaxed) effected by them knowing
a) that they are 95% against 5%?
b) that they are 60% against 40%?
Is there a difference between a and b that might lead to a different reaction by the 60%?
Is it thus ethical to get a fake pass when you can assume that it might affect those who stand firm against it all?
Let's not even call it ethical, let's say: Is it brotherly?
Many of us will propably resort to getting a fake pass when the suffering surpasses our strenght, but is it ethical? No.



I absolutely and vehemently disagree! "At all costs" includes deadly sins and apostasy. No!

Thanks for your response,

Your hypothetical example is very appropiate and the questions it poses merit an answer I don't have at this moment. Just an observation: given our current circumstances the percentage of the jabless certified will be far closer to the 5% than to 35% at least in the West and even in many parts of Latin America.

The last part, well, right now one can almost say that receiving the jab is an act of apostasy given what we know about it and how a self declared heretic antipope like Bergoglio supports it.
 
I mean no offense, but you as well as @in.image.and.likeness are terribly wrong on something fundamental: The relationship of the vax and the pass. While control is one of their goals, it's pretty obvious at this point in time that they are obssessed with having whatever is in many of the concoctions they push flowing through the veins of the public; especially children, all in a very tight timeframe, thus leaving no room for discussions or rational thought in the public sphere. There are many possible reasons for this, being the destruction of the "control group" one the most important: after all no one will be able to pin the blame on the sacred needle if in 5 years we "find out" the omega variant rendered most of the population infertile and doomed to shortened lives...if 80 or 85%+ of the population is vaxxed. The pass is to ensure you have to get the vax and boosters at some point if you want to "live" in society and not be a pariah, safe from the virus. They know perfectly that only a small minority even among us here was prepared for the current events.

The tracking is already performed on anyone with smart devices of any sort and can easily be bypassed by anyone savvy enough or without digital addiction. However no one will escape whatever nanotechnology is implanted in those allowed to survive.

Ignore this reality at your own peril.
I think we are saying the same thing but from different angles. I'm trying to look at the whole picture here, the endgame so to speak.
It's obvious that such an aggressive push for vaccination wouldn't make any sense if the vaccines were mostly placebos or some inocuous substances. But the fact that only a small minority have sufferered serious reactions to them should indicate that there are different batches that must serve different purposes in the experiment. Bear with me.
We know now the vaccines are an ongoing plan, they're not going to stop, there are more than enough people volunteering. So they become part and parcel of the 'new normal'. They are a delivery system for technology into the body, a way to integrate it with the tracking technology.
Whether these vaxxes are inserting the connectivity devices, or they will be coming later with implantable actual nano chips in future injections is only timing, but that's the intention. That's why the tracking/passes and the vaxxes are one and the same.
 
another step will be then to fully connect your DNA to a blockchain so that the human will be a biological mining rig for crypto also controlled by the elites (there are already articles about these ideas and patents - can’t remember where though, sorry).

I don’t know what you mean by „bypass“ the devices? if you mean that you can live without it, than yes, this is possible. but like I said, the device is only the holder of the pass (later it might be nano-tech inside your body that scanners react to) by which you are granted / denied access. bypassing it means no access. then self-sufficiency is the only way out (temporarily).
Maybe you meant the patent for 'CRYPTOCURRENCY SYSTEM USING BODY ACTIVITY DATA'.
Filed by Microsotf Corp, aptly under number WO 2020 060606.
Aren't they cheeky these geeks?
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Two people I knew who didn't take the vaccine, they are aware of the Great Reset scheme, have fixed a fake vaccine QR code now. They are secular so they want to continue their activities. I get it to some extent and it seems a good short term fix, but the result is that you legitimize the system, are not in solidarity with others and essentially means you'll never get out of the system anyway. So legitimizing the system will mean that you'll remain imprisoned, as you've accepted a bit more moving space inside the prison by bribing the officer. You're still in prison though. Only way to go is the hard way eventually and full non compliance. Tough choice with grave consequences both in the short and long term, as we all know this system is here to stay and to evolve into something more evil over time as its appetite will never be satisfied. That's a reality we have to face so that we can find ways to work around the system, e.g. alternative options in society or simply courage, resourcefulness, creativity, social skills and a bit of breaking the rules on our part.
 
Regarding your question, in time there will be no more room for wiggling. Jabless passes will be a temporary solution, useful only to buy precious time.

Regarding my position, you should pray you don't need it ever, understanding it should only be pondered in the most extreme conditions, not to indulge in a consumer lifestyle that is dead anyway. That's my position.

Have a good evening. God bless you.
But friend, buy precious time for what? This is the world we live in, it is fallen, there is no redemption or peace in it. Don't get me wrong it is beautiful as God created it and we can see his signature everywhere, but it is fallen and destined to decay. So, if it is about buying time to repent and accept Jesus as our lord and only saviour, absolutely you're right.
Having said that if there are places left in this world where we wouldn't need digital state controlled currency to pay for our essentials like energy for heating, lighting, cooking, etc. by all means let's go there now. Or even better build a new society free from the World Economic Forum types if that's possible. But if it's about buying time to pretend to blend in and hope it will pass, I don't know that's gonna work.
I am positive however that God will intervene through providence as we can see it's getting to far.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
But friend, buy precious time for what? This is the world we live in, it is fallen, there is no redemption or peace in it. Don't get me wrong it is beautiful as God created it and we can see his signature everywhere, but it is fallen and destined to decay. So, if it is about buying time to repent and accept Jesus as our lord and only saviour, absolutely you're right.
Having said that if there are places left in this world where we wouldn't need digital state controlled currency to pay for our essentials like energy for heating, lighting, cooking, etc. by all means let's go there now. Or even better build a new society free from the World Economic Forum types if that's possible. But if it's about buying time to pretend to blend in and hope it will pass, I don't know that's gonna work.
I am positive however that God will intervene through providence as we can see it's getting to far.
Well put. There has to come a point for all of us that it is the destiny of this world to be ruled entirely by evil. We know that from the Bible and the teaching of the Church Fathers. And we are going in that direction in a straight line, that's absolutely clear and abundantly open since 2020. Fleeing is just a temporary solution. Where must we go? Mexico? They're having mask mandates on the streets too there, oh paradise Mexico! No country will be free from this global system, it's all been integrated already over the past decades. Does this mean accepting what is happening, just shrug our shoulders? Of course not. We must resist it vehemently, but at the same time acknowledge that this is the destiny and the inevitable path that has been created by God since eternity and has been known by the Church for 2000 years.
 
Two people I knew who didn't take the vaccine, they are aware of the Great Reset scheme, have fixed a fake vaccine QR code now. They are secular so they want to continue their activities. I get it to some extent and it seems a good short term fix, but the result is that you legitimize the system, are not in solidarity with others and essentially means you'll never get out of the system anyway. So legitimizing the system will mean that you'll remain imprisoned, as you've accepted a bit more moving space inside the prison by bribing the officer. You're still in prison though. Only way to go is the hard way eventually and full non compliance. Tough choice with grave consequences both in the short and long term, as we all know this system is here to stay and to evolve into something more evil over time as its appetite will never be satisfied. That's a reality we have to face so that we can find ways to work around the system, e.g. alternative options in society or simply courage, resourcefulness, creativity, social skills and a bit of breaking the rules on our part.
Jesus said that whoever loves his life in this world will lose it. Now, what did he mean by that? Jesus didn't speal idle words, so he meant exactly that.
People who make a pact with the prince of this world because they're moved only by their physical desires and material needs will lose in the end. Resisting this evil tyranny is living. I don't care if I can't participate in their entertainment and fun activities. The vax pass in many ways is their ticket to sin and sinful pursuits, or is it a coincidence that in the UK the first places to implement them were nightclubs, 'adult entertainment venues' and big music concerts?
 

Silvānus

Chicken
Banned by YouTube: here Doug Wilson shows the biblical case in favor of fake vaccine passports.

 

Padouk

Kingfisher
Banned by YouTube: here Doug Wilson shows the biblical case in favor of fake vaccine passports.


Whether they can justify it through the prism of the Bible or not does not eliminate the fact that it tactically wrong and it only delay the inevitable. There are number of reasons why not to do it:

1. You're adding a number to the statistical data which works in the government's favour.
2. It drives the price of these fake vaccines.
3. It will give the authorities the justification to implant the pass into people in order to avoid fakes.
4. It gives a false hope that you might be out of the bush
5. It sabotages the effort of the rest of us who openly resist it
... etc
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Whether they can justify it through the prism of the Bible or not does not eliminate the fact that it tactically wrong and it only delay the inevitable. There are number of reasons why not to do it:

1. You're adding a number to the statistical data which works in the government's favour.
2. It drives the price of these fake vaccines.
3. It will give the authorities the justification to implant the pass into people in order to avoid fakes.
4. It gives a false hope that you might be out of the bush
5. It sabotages the effort of the rest of us who openly resist it
... etc

All fair points, but i'd suggest reading the post above yours and seeing wht life is like for those without PapersInOrder in Lithuania.

Easy to tub-thump when this isn't your reality, but those with children, families and small businesses may have to seek a way to navigate this from the black market.
 

Padouk

Kingfisher
All fair points, but i'd suggest reading the post above yours and seeing wht life is like for those without PapersInOrder in Lithuania.

Easy to tub-thump when this isn't your reality, but those with children, families and small businesses may have to seek a way to navigate this from the black market.

There's not navigating your way out of it. The more you delay it the worse it will hurt. From what I understand this couple in Lithuania are not looking for a fake pass but trying to resist it and that's good for them.

Right at the beginning of this hoax I somehow knew where this is heading and took some drastic changes for my own family there and then. I exchanged a lifestyle which allowed me to take yearly vacations in places like Switzerland, for example, to one of shoveling manure in the garden now. I am no way out of trouble now but in a position that I can resist (for now) and I do sacrifice a lot in order to do it.
 

El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
There's not navigating your way out of it. The more you delay it the worse it will hurt. From what I understand this couple in Lithuania are not looking for a fake pass but trying to resist it and that's good for them.

Right at the beginning of this hoax I somehow knew where this is heading and took some drastic changes for my own family there and then. I exchanged a lifestyle which allowed me to take yearly vacations in places like Switzerland, for example, to one of shoveling manure in the garden now. I am no way out of trouble now but in a position that I cIfan resist (for now) and I do sacrifice a lot in order to do it.

Youre right, it's not out of it. I can just see how the economic realities will make people seek it out. If it grants them time to get their house in order for real changes, then fair enough.

Personally, i wont be getting any papers, at very least as things stand. I see too many perils in doing so, and frankly there's no call for them where i am, at least presently.
 
I think we are saying the same thing but from different angles. I'm trying to look at the whole picture here, the endgame so to speak.
It's obvious that such an aggressive push for vaccination wouldn't make any sense if the vaccines were mostly placebos or some inocuous substances. But the fact that only a small minority have sufferered serious reactions to them should indicate that there are different batches that must serve different purposes in the experiment. Bear with me.
We know now the vaccines are an ongoing plan, they're not going to stop, there are more than enough people volunteering. So they become part and parcel of the 'new normal'. They are a delivery system for technology into the body, a way to integrate it with the tracking technology.
Whether these vaxxes are inserting the connectivity devices, or they will be coming later with implantable actual nano chips in future injections is only timing, but that's the intention. That's why the tracking/passes and the vaxxes are one and the same.

IMHO the jabs are of at leat 3 types: NaCl (pretty harmless), depop concoctions (mRNA gene altering concoctions with God knows what secret ingredientes hidden within or adenoviral concoctions with mystery ingredients all guaranteed to make you and/or your descendance sick and/or infertile in time especially if you take them several times in a short time) or nanodevices designed to enable the connection between the human body and machines maybe even transform its hapless victims and/or their descendants into something that cannot be recognized as human. I've spoken with several especialists in the medical field all of them have told me this: No other vaxx in their entire careers has had the same traceability these concoctions enjoy. That means someone high enough in the chain can target populations even at county level with whatever they want. If you got NaCL the first time, don't worry, with the boosters you can have a chances to get the prize...or with the shot against the Marburg hoax...Anyway,

I'm convinced the proportion of saline shots will be far less with the boosters. Also, this is no experiment, IMHO they know perfectly well what the effects would be for most subjects. Do you really think all the thousands of small children that disappear every year worldwide just vanish in the air?

The tracking passes is just part of what they want, a means to an end. So far the end as far as can be seen is to cull the herd and control it; and they are far more interested in the culling part for now...and for that they need the shots and have most of the population with it as well as for other. The tracking, you can always throw your phone and go into the woods. However cannot be unjabbed....
 
But friend, buy precious time for what? This is the world we live in, it is fallen, there is no redemption or peace in it. Don't get me wrong it is beautiful as God created it and we can see his signature everywhere, but it is fallen and destined to decay. So, if it is about buying time to repent and accept Jesus as our lord and only saviour, absolutely you're right.
Having said that if there are places left in this world where we wouldn't need digital state controlled currency to pay for our essentials like energy for heating, lighting, cooking, etc. by all means let's go there now. Or even better build a new society free from the World Economic Forum types if that's possible. But if it's about buying time to pretend to blend in and hope it will pass, I don't know that's gonna work.
I am positive however that God will intervene through providence as we can see it's getting to far.

Buy time to gather resources and proceed with the decision made if the situation merits it. Personally I haven't done so since I'm independent, but I understand anyone who does it. Even in my current situation I'm still not prepared financially for what seems to be coming so I'll have to take my punches and walk. Everyone will have to make his/her decision in time. Of course, for those of us that have been observant, blending in and hoping all will pass is not an option.
 
IMHO the jabs are of at leat 3 types: NaCl (pretty harmless), depop concoctions (mRNA gene altering concoctions with God knows what secret ingredientes hidden within or adenoviral concoctions with mystery ingredients all guaranteed to make you and/or your descendance sick and/or infertile in time especially if you take them several times in a short time) or nanodevices designed to enable the connection between the human body and machines maybe even transform its hapless victims and/or their descendants into something that cannot be recognized as human. I've spoken with several especialists in the medical field all of them have told me this: No other vaxx in their entire careers has had the same traceability these concoctions enjoy. That means someone high enough in the chain can target populations even at county level with whatever they want. If you got NaCL the first time, don't worry, with the boosters you can have a chances to get the prize...or with the shot against the Marburg hoax...Anyway,

I'm convinced the proportion of saline shots will be far less with the boosters. Also, this is no experiment, IMHO they know perfectly well what the effects would be for most subjects. Do you really think all the thousands of small children that disappear every year worldwide just vanish in the air?

The tracking passes is just part of what they want, a means to an end. So far the end as far as can be seen is to cull the herd and control it; and they are far more interested in the culling part for now...and for that they need the shots and have most of the population with it as well as for other. The tracking, you can always throw your phone and go into the woods. However cannot be unjabbed....
I am aware of the human organ harvesting and human experimentation that goes on for the pharma/medical/psychiatric/genetics machine. The idiotic university lab researchers PhDs have no clue where their data and experimental materials come from, not that they care anyway as they are godless goblins that wouldn't find their way out of a paper bag.
So there's no doubt in my mind the depop project is high up in their agenda and well underway. The unfortunate zombies that take the jabs, download the codes and believe it's all for the common good and to save the planet are gonners, one way or another, but the saddest part as opposed to previous times when people died for a cause and believed in God and higher morals, now they'll die for nothing. And it's not for me to know this but I fear they have sold their souls, and from that there ain't no coming back.

I'm sorry, this was about the vaxxes and I've gone all over the place, but the thing is to see how everything that's going on is connected, it boggles the mind.

On the other hand, don't think for a minute the nerds have everything figured out, they will still need to tweak the tools for depop as they go. One thing is controlled environments and labs and another is a worldwide rollover, meaning they can't overdo it or underdo it, they can't kill everyone off or leave too many maimed, it would be detrimental to their plans. So in my opinion there's still a bit of time, probably 2 or 3 years until we and they as well see the results of the vaxx experience. I also think that the requirements for pop reduction will vary across regions, that's why the west is the most heavily targeted. Just like the infamous Deagle Inc population projections for 2025, they are probably true.
 

NickK

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Libellatici:
"Those who had drawn up attestation (libelus), or had, by bribing the authorities, caused such certificates to be drawn up for them, representing them as having offered sacrifice, without however having actually done so."

1:50
 

Lightning

Chicken
Libellatici:
"Those who had drawn up attestation (libelus), or had, by bribing the authorities, caused such certificates to be drawn up for them, representing them as having offered sacrifice, without however having actually done so."

1:50
Wow. Haven't ever heard about this.

There really is nothing new under the sun.
 
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