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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sisyphus" data-source="post: 1531095" data-attributes="member: 12616">Your points are well taken and in general I'm inclined to agree with many of them and in fact most of what you've been saying in general in this sub-forum. I agree that compliance is hurtful to all of us. No one should submit to the injection or wear a mask under any circumstance. However, the title of the thread does not specify what level of compliance is being discussed and thus perhaps we are talking about different things. Some points I wish to clarify and respond to:Having a forged card is not equivalent to using it. I've criticized some people discussed in a news story presented here which talked about a father and son team who were busted on a flight to Hawaii. You should not be waving a phony card around to get a nice beach vacation. It is strictly for survival. If it comes to this point, fooling a low level HR person at a small business will not impose any undue burden on everyone else. Especially if you're the only one of your colleagues who didn't actually succumb to the injection which is likely in most cases. Obviously this can vary based on the industry and the size of the operation.I'm not understanding your second point. Under no circumstances do I advocate that anyone get the poison injection, nor participate in any sort of green pass, QR code, or whatever. As I wrote above, I agree with you that surveillance is the purpose of the hysteria and not the shot itself. But having a phony paper card seen by one HR drone to secure your livelihood will not subject you to any more tracking than you are already experiencing through the use of your phone. The Mark described in Revelation is required to buy and sell. A tattoo is permanent and cannot be falsified. Having a phony document printed on card stock is not the same as participating in electronic surveillance, and if it gets to that point then consider your efforts to have been thwarted and prepare for the next  more challenging phase of the struggle. Hopefully you bought yourself some time. I disagree with you in that having a phony card does not mean renouncing the possibility of difficulty and struggle. It is likely and perhaps inevitable for all of us who hold fast and refuse to receive the poison.You claim that 99% of the world does not require proof of injection to sustain themselves. It seems to me that many large countries or large industries within large countries have already forced these circumstances upon their citizens and employees respectively. I believe we're well beyond 1% of people who do need it to acquire sustenance. You don't address my point directly - one person's belief that we have "reached that point" may not agree with another's. And in any case, should one not prepare for the eventuality of reaching that point? I argue that for all intents and purposes, many people are at that point. What if in your estimation we do reach that point? Does this change your opinion? Do you believe the people I referred to should have chosen gulag or death over life and freedom? Do you believe everyone today should make that same choice? What about when other innocent people who can't fend for themselves are involved? Is it sinful and will they pay an eternal price for doing so?It's not clear to me how the actions of the midwives helped the "spiritual life" of the Hebrew babies. Would the babies not have benefited from dying free of sin in their infancy instead? I fail to see the distinction between the actions of the German nurse and the midwives. Both acted selflessly and at great peril to themselves to preserve the corporeal, material existences of their beneficiaries. Should the nurse have injected thousands of people with the mystery concoction instead? Is saving a life not a commendable act? Why should anyone help anyone? Should we not just let them all pass into the eternal kingdom? Perhaps people can be forgiven for failing to overcome their animal instincts in fighting for their material worldly lives.I know someone who received the poison under coercion - this person supports a wife and two children. I have directed no recrimination or reproach towards this individual. While I'm disappointed in his choice and I do agree that this action is detrimental to all of us, I understand the evil position he was put in. Perhaps he acted for his own benefit, but he also acted on behalf of others and sacrificed his bodily integrity in doing so. In this case, one could argue that receiving the poison is a form of martyrdom, especially if some of the predictions we see discussed on here come to fruition. Because in this case he won't enjoy any material benefit; instead he will enjoy the benefits of ADE and slow deterioration. Nonetheless, I personally don't subscribe to this viewpoint.The choices are not black and white for everyone and one size does not fit all. I'm not advocating that anyone lie or participate in forgery nor am I saying I've done so myself. In fact, I agree that lying is only likely to come back to get you in the end and is to be avoided in all but the most dire circumstances.I'm presenting one side of the ethical component of the debate raised by the title of this thread. Members posting in this thread have argued on both sides, but I believe that soon enough we are all likely to suffer the same miserable fate regardless of whether anyone has chosen to proceed down the route of falsification. Perhaps those making this choice understand that they are willing to delay the inevitable for slightly longer than you are, but I believe that all of us here (except for the occasional troll like the excess death guy) are fighting on the same side and will need to band together when the coercion becomes more violent and overt.In a war that is not of your choosing, one can only impose so many requirements on allies willing to stand beside you and fight.</blockquote>

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