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<blockquote data-quote="Sisyphus" data-source="post: 1533549" data-attributes="member: 12616"><p>There’s a lot of talk of martyrdom in this thread. I understand why this can be considered something to aspire to, but I don’t think we’re at the stage where martyrdom is necessary or even the best course of action.</p><p></p><p>The early Christians had no choice but to martyr themselves. They were overwhelmingly outnumbered by the Roman juggernaut, and there were various sects to divide their already minuscule numbers. But we currently find ourselves in a much different situation.</p><p></p><p>Let’s use the US as an example. The liars claim that 2/3 of adults have received two administrations of the poison. Few of us here accept those numbers, but let’s do so for the sake of argument. Of that 2/3, many of them only did so under extreme coercion so we can disregard almost all who were added to the total after June or so. By then, anyone who really wanted to submit themselves could easily have done so. They also claim that 84% of people over 65 have gotten multiply injected.</p><p></p><p>So in reality, it’s something like half or even more of an adult population of 200 some million who are on our side. The ranks of the enemy consist largely of the old, frail, fat, and feeble minded. Yes, the enemy controls information and has superior weaponry, but victories are being won and I expect we have powerful allies we don’t yet know about. Our enemies have also yet to resort to the brutality with which the Roman Empire dealt with its dissidents – at least for now, we are not being executed in public without something resembling due process for the simple act of identifying evil and wrongness. We have yet to be forced to renounce our beliefs to remain alive. Yes, it's likely that we will soon be outcast, marginalized, or de-personed, but we have yet to reach that point.</p><p></p><p>While there have been times in history when martyrdom was the best and perhaps the only option, there have also been times when fighting and crusading was the purest way to promote good over evil. Should Christians have allowed Vienna to be sacked because they could ensure their place in heaven by being slaughtered or worse by the Turks? Would the world be better off if all true believers had chosen martyrdom over battle?</p><p></p><p>I’m not ready to martyr myself just yet. It’s clear to me that this is one of the times to resist the evil and to band together to attack it. There is no need for us to submit our lives along with those of our families and fellow men and taking action now can prevent us from ever reaching that unenviable state.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sisyphus, post: 1533549, member: 12616"] There’s a lot of talk of martyrdom in this thread. I understand why this can be considered something to aspire to, but I don’t think we’re at the stage where martyrdom is necessary or even the best course of action. The early Christians had no choice but to martyr themselves. They were overwhelmingly outnumbered by the Roman juggernaut, and there were various sects to divide their already minuscule numbers. But we currently find ourselves in a much different situation. Let’s use the US as an example. The liars claim that 2/3 of adults have received two administrations of the poison. Few of us here accept those numbers, but let’s do so for the sake of argument. Of that 2/3, many of them only did so under extreme coercion so we can disregard almost all who were added to the total after June or so. By then, anyone who really wanted to submit themselves could easily have done so. They also claim that 84% of people over 65 have gotten multiply injected. So in reality, it’s something like half or even more of an adult population of 200 some million who are on our side. The ranks of the enemy consist largely of the old, frail, fat, and feeble minded. Yes, the enemy controls information and has superior weaponry, but victories are being won and I expect we have powerful allies we don’t yet know about. Our enemies have also yet to resort to the brutality with which the Roman Empire dealt with its dissidents – at least for now, we are not being executed in public without something resembling due process for the simple act of identifying evil and wrongness. We have yet to be forced to renounce our beliefs to remain alive. Yes, it's likely that we will soon be outcast, marginalized, or de-personed, but we have yet to reach that point. While there have been times in history when martyrdom was the best and perhaps the only option, there have also been times when fighting and crusading was the purest way to promote good over evil. Should Christians have allowed Vienna to be sacked because they could ensure their place in heaven by being slaughtered or worse by the Turks? Would the world be better off if all true believers had chosen martyrdom over battle? I’m not ready to martyr myself just yet. It’s clear to me that this is one of the times to resist the evil and to band together to attack it. There is no need for us to submit our lives along with those of our families and fellow men and taking action now can prevent us from ever reaching that unenviable state. [/QUOTE]
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