Is It Time To Move To A Better Place?

Roosh

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Originally posted on RooshV.com

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The most frequent question I’m asked is if one should move from a degrading city, state, or country for another location that is better. Everyone’s situation is different, and I can’t possibly know what is right for you, but in the vast majority of cases, I’m reluctant to tell any man “Yes.”

There are two kinds of people who ask me this question: secular and Christian. To the secular person, a situation becomes bad when there are more costs than benefits. I relocated to California to hit in rich in Silicon Valley… the state has become a cesspool… technology jobs can be found in Austin… I’m a rootless cosmopolitan… I have no children… I’m tired of smelly homeless encampments… so I will just get up and move, rebuilding my social network with Tinder and other apps. This person will not admit that it’s their godless materialism which is the root cause of societal decline, that they are the problem, so they pack their sins and nihilism into the moving van to defile the new location they end up in. No matter what advice you give them, they will end up doing what they “feel” that allows them to be “happy” and extract the most material benefits from the world.

Then there’s the Christian, but not all Christians are the same. We must ask how much does the Christian trust in God. If he is Christian in name only, and does not have a living faith of self-denial where all his major decisions derive from serving God’s will, and instead practices a comfortable Christianity, he will proceed as the secular man albeit with more hesitancy since he is more likely to have family and be part of a local community. He has kids to consider, and he wants them to be raised in a good environment, and so he decides to move to an area that is better today (but maybe not tomorrow). No one will fault him for this, but if the Christian doesn’t have children, he will likely be similar to the secular man who places comfort above all else. The secular man and childless Christian are on different timelines, but they both end up in the same place because they both have the same desire for living in a “good place.” The problem for both is that in a connected world, the place they’re moving to is still part of the same sickly body, and just because it’s visibly healthy now doesn’t mean that the infection hasn’t already begun underneath the surface.

Moving doesn’t treat the root cause of infection, which is that world society has aggressively turned its back on God. By treating the symptom, you only buy time, perhaps three years, five years, or even ten years if you’re lucky, but then in ten years, you will end up in the exact same situation as before, but perhaps now much weaker in the faith since you chose comfort and a false sense of material safety over God, and where will you now go that the whole world is oozing with pus and rotten to the bone?

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Then there is the Christian who was chosen out of the world by Lord Jesus Christ and is carrying his heavy cross (John 15:19), which gets heavier by the month. He knows Church history and the martyrs that suffered before him. He reads the lives of the saints. He knows that God will only bless nations if they repent. He knows the nature of spiritual warfare and how demons are not constrained by walls or borders. What choice does he make? The one that his faith allows. If you can endure then endure. If you can’t endure, ask God for endurance, and if He has gone quiet on you (for your own benefit so you seek Him with more zeal), then the problem is not where to live but the state of your soul.

I’m a middle-aged single man. I live close to Washington DC, ground zero for the worst social engineering and psychological operations known to humanity. I hope to soon move to an outer exurb, but it could be in a blue state. My aspirational plan is to endure the hardships, adapt to them with prayer and faith, inoculate any children I may have against the evil ideas of our times, and live in the midst of great evil, because I know that this world is fallen. Heaven will never be achieved in this life, and by moving to South Dakota or Tennessee, I will just train my soul to run away at material discomfort, to kick the can down the road, when I should be actively training for persecution of my faith or worse, and when that persecution comes, if I can stay and endure martyrdom then I should, and if I can’t then I should flee.

Those who have gone like sheep to the slaughter, “resisting not evil” (cf. Mt 5:39), will become like the Son of the Father (cf. Is 53:7) and will rise again with him in glory everlasting (cf. Col 3:1-4) —Saint Sophrony in On Prayer
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Persecution of your faith is the most valid reason for a Christian to leave (Matthew 10:23), especially if a family is involved. If you cannot practice your faith with your children, if your church is burned down, if the local government is banging down your door because of your homeschooling curriculum, then escape in the dead of night. But if you’re a single man, examine yourself and the reasons why you want to leave. The martyrs who stay and the confessors who flee both keep the faith alive, and only God knows what is right for you to enter the Kingdom in your pure white garment. The fewer attachments and responsibilities you have, the more you should be able to endure. I should personally be able to face the worst of what’s to come, since I don’t have a 9-5 job or family, but my human strength is so weak then I will end up having to flee sooner than I should.

There is a multitude of mitigating circumstances that my black and white portrayals cannot convey, but if you desire to move because you crave comfort or seek alleviation of your anxieties and fears, the problem may not be where you live but your faith. Search deep down for why you want to leave, and unless the answer stems from protecting your family or serving God, there is a high probability you’re making a decision to please the flesh, not the soul. May God enlighten us all to know the difference.

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Yay, my forum account still works, haven't been here for quite some time.

So while I find Roosh's new perspective interesting, and while being MGTOW agree with him surprisingly often - this time I don't.
We discussed those matters a lot in the MGTOW sphere, and our conclusion was basically to move out of the cities which are cesspools obviously. And move out of the blue states. I don't understand it due to several reasons:

1. Why you'd make your life needlessly harder ?
I guess Roosh tried to answer that one in his text, but I don't agree with it. Still you're paying for the bs of those blue cities and states. Just why would you do this ? By being there / paying taxes, you enabling them to continue their evil.

2. We came to the conclusions that finding and joining based patriarchal communities is the best way to go. The difficulty is finding the people where you as a single man would belong/fit in.
Still, this is the most preferred solution imho, bc you can help and contribute to this based community, maybe even have a family there. You'll be far more effective in actually creating positive change than staying and suffering in the regions with the blue commie idiots while even not agreeing with them.
 
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Well, if it is impossible to find a wife or like-minded people to form a community with, surely that's enough of a reason to leave?

I understand men going abroad just for casual sex are only pursuing lust. But what about men going to these different places to find a wife and ultimately start a family with?

Likewise, with meeting fellow Christians. Why suffer alone needlessly to prove a point? Being swamped by minions of Satan is misery inducing. Hypothesis confirmed. But does it have to end there?

I don't think God wants us to be overwhelmed by assaults from Satanists at all angles. I'd think he wants us to form Christian communities, find a wife and produce a family. It simply isn't possible in towns or cities where vast numbers have been engineered to hate Christians.
 
Wow, this really hit home. Not for the reasons in the article but for very personal reasons. The funny thing is we live in the middle of nowhere in a red area in a red state. We fled the city for a better place. My desire to move is due to this relocation dredging up some very frightful things for me. I’m tormented by anxiety and fear. Yet I know we’re where God wants us. I’ve recently realized that my prayers for help may be being answered with a no, that I may be this way till the day I die. I’ve spent 22 years praying for change, help, relief, release, etc., of this torment. Just maybe my perspective is skewed. Maybe this is my cross to bear. Maybe His grace being sufficient is it. That makes me sad but at the same time I can let go of my false hope for rescue. This desire for comfort, always begging for it and fighting for it, is a huge and exhausting burden.
 
My two bits for what they’re worth.

There is no answer because you’ve got to ask God and follow His lead. There is nothing wrong with getting out of dodge if God tells you to, Abraham left his hometown. On the other hand maybe God has stationed you where you’re at.

Moving to find a wife? Awesome, did God tell you to? I’m not saying passivity or anything at all like that but honestly it really really is in God’s hands.

I suspect a kind of false self reliance is what’s killing us, like we can come up with some sort of foolproof plan without real reference to God. I mean we believe in Him but think God’s strength and guidance is what we get after we’ve exhausted our own first. I think it’s the other way around, we need His blessing first, His guidance first and I’m not saying we won’t get it wrong.
 
In Europe you don't even have the luxury of moving to a "red" state because most countries are basically "blue" states by analogy. In that sense, moving to another "state" (another country) isn't much of an option. There are significant language and cultural barriers to take into account, too.

In some countries this dichotomy between "the godless city" and the "god-fearing countryside" is virtually non-existent. In fact, it's sometimes easier to find pockets of traditionally minded Christian communities in urban parts of the country than in the ageing countryside.

Basically I think we have to be willing to accept our situation and deal with it head-on even if it means persecution. But we also don't have to fall into fatalism and suffer needlessly. It makes perfect sense to move to have access to a good parish, for instance, whether single or married.

Roosh said:
No one will fault him for this, but if the Christian doesn’t have children, he will likely be similar to the secular man who places comfort above all else. The secular man and childless Christian are on different timelines, but they both end up in the same place because they both have the same desire for living in a “good place.”
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Many single Christians desire to find a place where they can make a living and have access to a parish and community. If their present location does not offer that, it's legitimate to move. Married Christians were once single and childless, too.

Bottomline is simply to accept that there is no perfect place and that ultimately we'll always have to endure hardship one way or another, sooner or later. But I don't think there's any disagreement on that.
 
Probably no one will admit it, but I think the biggest question for many is how to survive the quickly approaching end times without loss of comfort we are used to. The comfort we were born into or worked hard to have it. Well, maybe it's time to reconsider really, if having a good-paying job, two cars, and a constantly full fridge is worth staying in the Sodom and Gomorrah.

Moving to the unknown is not easy, and married men can find themselves facing very quickly challenges like how to keep the whole family "happy" when there is everything "different, and no air condition" because people are bonded to civilization very differently.
Also, single people could be in the new place even more alone because there is nobody familiar to whom they could talk.

But if someone is living already deep among godless masses waiting for their fourth jab, then he is a stranger anyway.
 
fortyfive said:
I think the biggest question for many is how to survive the quickly approaching end times without loss of comfort we are used to.
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Aha! I have the answer to this question: You do not!

You accept the loss of comfort as necessary, simple as that.

Once you have lost this comfort, you will recognize that it kept you weak, and that you are better off without it.
 
Kitty Tantrum said:
Aha! I have the answer to this question: You do not!

You accept the loss of comfort as necessary, simple as that.

Once you have lost this comfort, you will recognize that it kept you weak, and that you are better off without it.
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Well, saying that is easy when you aren't married to a woman, but a man!

But turn off hot water for one day, lose a hairdryer somewhere too, and I'm suddenly in the territory of raging female grizzly bear even without visiting Alaska!
 
I remember a speech where the pastor told a story about a Syrian Christian angry that so many pagan Lebanese refugees were coming into Syria, messing up the Syrian way of life. He was reminded by a Christian leader that God was in control of this migration, and it's for a reason. One possible reason was that this Syrian can now spread the Gospel to a people that Christians where previously barred from going to see.

It's similar to what is going on now, I think. When the character of our locale changes, we have the opportunity to discern God's purposes for changing it, and the way for each individual to proceed. I understand Roosh's reluctance to recommend any specific course of action, because God may have very different plans for everyone. One is to stay as a street preacher, another as militant resistance, another martyred, and yet another is to flee and have 5 children in Appalachia. His purposes will not be frustrated, and it's all to His glory.
 
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fortyfive said:
Well, saying that is easy when you aren't married to a woman, but a man!

But turn off hot water for one day, lose a hairdryer somewhere too, and I'm suddenly in the territory of raging female grizzly bear even without visiting Alaska!
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Fair point. My ex-husband was basically a woman and fell apart, got in a tizzy, or raged over things like bad wifi and having to cancel his comic book subscriptions.

My husband now is pretty rugged, but is far less eager than I am to use austerity as a weapon to stick it to the man.

For that matter, he could unilaterally decide to relocate us, and there I'd be!

But I'm ALMOST guaranteed to outlive him, so I'm coming back here to die.
 
Powerful stuff Roosh,

I think you are spot on here and I find it personally inspiring. The discussion show some interesting points.
mr_x said:
Why you'd make your life needlessly harder ?
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This is a dangerous question. Who is in charge? You or god?

What where does this question bring you, will you look for comfort? Or look for god?

In our own mind we tend to think, well let's first get to a nice location and then we will have a good church and kind people, and then we fill go look for god. Just fix this and then it's ok. Just get the new neighbourhood.

Essentially this is the same as the metropolitan Tindering in a new country.

Those who have gone like sheep to the slaughter, “resisting not evil” (cf. Mt 5:39), will become like the Son of the Father (cf. Is 53:7) and will rise again with him in glory everlasting (cf. Col 3:1-4) —Saint Sophrony in On Prayer

Every bit in modern society goes against this line. I feel it in myself.

Why should you be slaughtered? fight against it! But that's essentially just looking for comfort.

If god is with you, you can be slaughtered, why not accept what is, and have god close to you. He might bring you to a new neighboorhood or not.

Will we find god up in the air? Or deep in the dark soil?

I grew up in this perverse society and realize that many lines from the bible have been falsely re-interpreted to destroy the faith. Strength has become weakness, and the otehr way around, an inversion of values.

It's like the English who brought opium to China in the 19th century, our society is addicted to comfort.

What a peace to carry a cross, with bloody arms, neck, and pain.

The paradoxes are huge.
 
paternos said:
Powerful stuff Roosh,

I think you are spot on here and I find it personally inspiring. The discussion show some interesting points.


This is a dangerous question. Who is in charge? You or god?

What where does this question bring you, will you look for comfort? Or look for god?

In our own mind we tend to think, well let's first get to a nice location and then we will have a good church and kind people, and then we fill go look for god. Just fix this and then it's ok. Just get the new neighbourhood.

Essentially this is the same as the metropolitan Tindering in a new country.

Those who have gone like sheep to the slaughter, “resisting not evil” (cf. Mt 5:39), will become like the Son of the Father (cf. Is 53:7) and will rise again with him in glory everlasting (cf. Col 3:1-4) —Saint Sophrony in On Prayer

Every bit in modern society goes against this line. I feel it in myself.

Why should you be slaughtered? fight against it! But that's essentially just looking for comfort.

If god is with you, you can be slaughtered, why not accept what is, and have god close to you. He might bring you to a new neighboorhood or not.

Will we find god up in the air? Or deep in the dark soil?

I grew up in this perverse society and realize that many lines from the bible have been falsely re-interpreted to destroy the faith. Strength has become weakness, and the otehr way around, an inversion of values.

It's like the English who brought opium to China in the 19th century, our society is addicted to comfort.

What a peace to carry a cross, with bloody arms, neck, and pain.

The paradoxes are huge.
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Your post kind of sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands.

This is what you are essentially saying, “If you follow God, you believe that God is the one who puts you in this sh*th*l*. God works in a mysterious way, you know. And you might get slaughtered, you might have to endure the suffering and the pain. Oh, and don’t forget God loves you. All the suffering is for the greater good”.
 
zeroshame said:
Your post kind of sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands.

This is what you are essentially saying, “If you follow God, you believe that God is the one who puts you in this sh*th*l*. God works in a mysterious way, you know. And you might get slaughtered, you might have to endure the suffering and the pain. Oh, and don’t forget God loves you. All the suffering is for the greater good”.
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I have to be honest, I too believe this to a certain extent, and not really sure how to navigate life. Do we trust in God and make moves when we can, try and discern Gods plans for us or stay and suffer.
 
Guh Roosh you manage once hit close to home and this time I didn't even mention publicly. I've been trying to relocate out of southern California to anywhere to avoid the maskvax tyranny. I am a rootless cosmopolitan but I have young kids so I hope I'm not too rootless.

Well timed read that's for sure.
 
The modern western world was built by Christian men who were fed up with the limited opportunity, endless wars and in many cases religious persecution in Europe. They picked up and moved, with many of them relocating all over the world. Despite moving to hostile countries with no safety net they thrived and in the process built the freest, most prosperous and equal societies in history.

The corrupt and degenerate society we exist in today, and its inevitable and continual decline into the dystopia it is becoming still relies on the contributions of its citizens to sustain itself though. Its important to remember that by remaining within it you are propping this system up too, unless you can really disassociate and establish a parallel society like the Amish have for example. However your labor, your taxes, your spending, all of this just feeds the beast regardless of your intentions.

Its also important to remember that remaining in a specific place to protect it really comes down to what you are defending. If you are defending a place from a foreign or external threat, and you coexist with people who share your values, heritage and culture to some degree? I think in this case you have a moral obligation to fight for it whenever feasible. However when you are faced with what is an internal threat, and huge swathes of completely subverted people who no longer share your values or despise your heritage and culture, then you are not obligated to do anything at all.
 
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