Is It Time To Move To A Better Place?

paternos

Woodpecker
Catholic
Your post kind of sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands.

This is what you are essentially saying, “If you follow God, you believe that God is the one who puts you in this sh*th*l*. God works in a mysterious way, you know. And you might get slaughtered, you might have to endure the suffering and the pain. Oh, and don’t forget God loves you. All the suffering is for the greater good”.
I would like to counter your post.

When reading the bible many references are made to pain. Many come down to endurance and that we don't see the full picture.

1 Peter 2:19-23 NIV​

For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly.

Christ set an example, that you can suffer.

Or Job:

At first Job bore these calamities with amazing submission: "The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord . . . Shall we receive good at the hand of the Lord, and shall we not receive evil?"

But as the misery drug out over the months, Job wavered in his confidence that God was for him. In defending himself against the bad theology of Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar, he said things about God that were not true. He began to insist on his own righteousness at the expense of God's justice

Do you really know what is good Zeroshame? Might it be gods plan? Do you trust god?

I have personally travelled a lot in most cases with good intent, but there is a presumption that I know what is good for me. In myself I spotted restlessness, I need to fix it, i. need to fix it now, if I live in X, if I have Y, if i do Z. Life will be better.

Is life really so hard now, that you need to flee? Or is it just running after the same emotions over and over again?

To some this post might sound like a plea for inaction or a stockholm syndrome.

But the contrary is true. It is a plea for something our society has forgotten and the bible points to us to over and over again.

Endurance and trusting gods plan.

How about spending 50% of your time on god, endurance of pain and 50% on fixing. And not 99.9% on fixing? What did all this fixing bring us and society?

Anyhow wish you all a great day!
 

RedLagoon

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Everything changes when you're married and have three or four children's mouths to feed and you're trying to stay sane in this madness.

God did provide us with our legs and feet to move in dire times.

The MGTOW guy or even the single Christian man will never understand. If you can run with your family to somewhere safer, do so. No need to see your kids perish and start questioning your own faith. This does happen.

Get out of the cities any way you can.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Your post kind of sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome, psychological response wherein a captive begins to identify closely with his or her captors, as well as with their agenda and demands.

This is what you are essentially saying, “If you follow God, you believe that God is the one who puts you in this sh*th*l*. God works in a mysterious way, you know. And you might get slaughtered, you might have to endure the suffering and the pain. Oh, and don’t forget God loves you. All the suffering is for the greater good”.
Have you ever read the lives of the saints?
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Which Christian men? The Orthodox?
I have come to believe that the foundations of modern society such as democracy and religious freedom are the works of Satan. The prosperity was a means to cement in people‘s minds the idea that an aristocracy, kings and priesthood, all established by God for the protection of the people was in fact an evil. The prosperity even if it lasted a couple of centuries was only meant to be temporary. Now the average person no longer believing in God and trusting to his own limited intelligence is now open prey for Satan and his minions, both demonic and human.
 

pathos

 
Banned
Orthodox Inquirer
There are two extremes I've observed and sometimes been guilty of myself.

One would be to resign yourself to staying where you are despite it making you miserable and having a bad influence on you, even as you're perfectly capable of finding a more wholesome place for you to live. This could be a form of fatalism, pride, heroism, or just sheer laziness. However, "staying put" can also be a perfectly wholesome, courageous and perhaps even patriotic thing to do.

The other extreme would be to continuously seek an escape route to the point of abandoning your country or family, in a perpetual quest for some sort of utopia on earth, which can turn into a delusional obsession. This I'd basically consider to be cowardice at worst or misplaced idealism at best, though depending on your motives and situation, it may still be perfectly legitimate to seek a saner place for you to live and settle down.

So for me, the real takeaway from this article is that we always have to question our motives and use proper discernment. There is no one-size-fits-all answer in the end. Some will decide to move, others stay - and both can be perfectly legitimate options depending on your motives. Take the action that's appropriate for you. It's between you and God in the end.

One last thing. The covid-19 "pandemic" has forced many of us to accept our current situation and learn to make the best of it since there hardly is any long-term escaping this global madness anyhow. This may prove to be a blessing in disguise for some of us as we learn to have more trust in God and endure hardship.
 
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The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
I have come to believe that the foundations of modern society such as democracy and religious freedom are the works of Satan.

Modernity started in the Renaissance thanks to a renewed interests in Greco-Roman philosophy. That Philosophy came from a syncretism of even earlier wIsDoM from Hermeticism and other ancient knowledge which laid the ground work for early chemistry (alchemy), pharmacopeia, and the englightenment.

Hermiticism is quite literally the wisdom of the nephilim or watchers of Genesis. We have intentionally recreated the antediluvian world.

May God have mercy on our souls.
 
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nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Was thinking about this and happened to bump into this saying from St. Anthony on the Christian lifestyle. The emphasis is my own.

Someone asked Abba Anthony, "What must one do in order to please God?" The old man replied, "Pay attention to what I tell you: whoever you may be, always have God before your eyes; whatever you do, do it according to the testimony of the holy Scriptures; in whatever place you live, do not easily leave it. Keep these three precepts and you will be saved."
 

Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
Fair point. My ex-husband was basically a woman and fell apart, got in a tizzy, or raged over things like bad wifi and having to cancel his comic book subscriptions.

My husband now is pretty rugged, but is far less eager than I am to use austerity as a weapon to stick it to the man.

For that matter, he could unilaterally decide to relocate us, and there I'd be!

But I'm ALMOST guaranteed to outlive him, so I'm coming back here to die.
Your avatar is perfect for your user name!
 

Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
I've been a white-collar nomad in the semiconductor industry ever since 2006, when I earned my doctorate in physics. I went where the jobs were, worked for good salaries, and stacked the cash. So far, I've earned enough to not have to work for the next 20 years (Lord willing), and invested it in dividend stocks.

So here I am, 14 months after leaving my last job, wondering what to do. Most important detail to understand my situation is this: Exactly 1 year ago to the day, I went to my first Catholic mass. Long story short, I converted to Catholicism and have been trying to practice my faith daily ever since my first mass.

I can identify with ALL the hardships and tribulations that RooshV talks about. I pray multiple times daily. Go to mass almost every day. Have been struggling with various spiritual issues. What is the bottom line? The "tl;dr"? In my humble opinion it is this - you'd better be praying daily. If you do, your discernement and wisdom will be enhanced by God's grace. And in fact, I pray SPECIFICALLY for His grace in discernment of what I should do.

In my particular case, I think our Lord has narrowed down my options to just 2. And I need to be on my knees frequently in the coming days and weeks, to understand what HE wants for me. Then I need to accept my orders and go forth. Peace to all my Christian brothers.
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
I have come to believe that the foundations of modern society such as democracy and religious freedom are the works of Satan. The prosperity was a means to cement in people‘s minds the idea that an aristocracy, kings and priesthood, all established by God for the protection of the people was in fact an evil. The prosperity even if it lasted a couple of centuries was only meant to be temporary. Now the average person no longer believing in God and trusting to his own limited intelligence is now open prey for Satan and his minions, both demonic and human.
It’s been said that America was founded on Freemason principles, not Christian ones as we are led to believe.
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
I was thinking about starting a thread for that. It seems there may have been ulterior motives, with the stated motives as a cover story.
Go for it. I read it about somewhere before that the Founding Fathers were Freemasons, not really the good ole Christian boys we think they were and that America was founded as a way of furthering the goals of the Masons. The true story is that a lot of the lower and middle class citizens in the colonies didn’t want to become America and the rest of them were indifferent. It was a portion of the wealthy citizens and the elites that had the part in establishing America.
 

Palestrina

 
Banned
Trad Catholic
Apropos to this topic —

Season 3, Clerical Conversations on the Crisis, Episode 12: Relocation, Survivalism, & The End Times
BY MEMBER SUPPORTED RESTORATION RADIO · MAY 4, 2014

On this month's episode of Clerical Conversations on the Crisis, we will tackle several topics of recurring interest to traditional Catholics.

Following up on the January Flagships show, we will discuss the pros and cons of relocation for the sacraments from a clerical perspective. Is it a moral imperative to move to be closer to the sacraments? Can one settle for attendance at an S.S.P.X. Mass if that is nearby? We will also discuss the oft-floated idea of creating a traditional Catholic village.

We will then move on to discussing survivalism, dire predictions of an impending economic crash, the end of the world, and the "Three Days of Darkness". What is the proper Catholic attitude to each of these things and how does one appropriately deal with them in one's everyday life?

Join us as His Lordship, Bishop Daniel Dolan and Father Anthony Cekada of St. Gertrude the Great Catholic Church in West Chester, Ohio chat with host Nicholas Wansbutter on this month's episode of Clerical Conversations on the Crisis.
 

Virginiahousewife

Sparrow
Woman
Catholic
I praise God daily that shortly after marriage he lead us find our home in a very large active growing traditional Catholic community full of many young families around our age. He will lead you where you belong in His time, which may not match your own timeframe but will be full of all the grace that you can imagine. We had been searching closer to each of our parents and other areas of interest fruitlessly for several months. We were at our wits end thinking we were priced out of decent single family homes and tied to areas that weren’t for us.

We prayed to find our place to set up our roots. Someone casually mentioned this area to us in passing. We had visited before while dating and it wasn’t too far from family. This town is full of Christ centered families and a thriving Christian community life. Abundant options for Catholic schooling and social life. He lead the way here, we found our home the day it was listed at our exact price with everything we had hoped but thought would not be possible, just right. Through His grace our offer was accepted over multiple others. When it is His will it will come to you. When we had our first child we met so many friends in our community as the ladies at church set up a meal train. We didn’t have to cook for several weeks! Every passing year we feel more enmeshed in this community and closer to Christ. He has blessed us greatly and I wish the same for all of you. May you find the path that God has for your life.

When I think of my life God has always lead me where I belonged, often after much prayer and discernment and growth through pain. After many years of prayer for a Christian husband he moved me back home where I met my future husband shortly after. He lead me to find a new church and that’s where my husband was called to convert to Catholicism before our marriage, whereas he had been unmoved previously. It had been weighing on my heart as I desired full communion with the church through a sacramental marriage and raising children in His church. Through Him all things are possible.

“And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Luke 11:1-13 and Matthew 7:7-12
 

Maniac

Chicken
Protestant
Wow, this really hit home. Not for the reasons in the article but for very personal reasons. The funny thing is we live in the middle of nowhere in a red area in a red state. We fled the city for a better place. My desire to move is due to this relocation dredging up some very frightful things for me. I’m tormented by anxiety and fear. Yet I know we’re where God wants us. I’ve recently realized that my prayers for help may be being answered with a no, that I may be this way till the day I die. I’ve spent 22 years praying for change, help, relief, release, etc., of this torment. Just maybe my perspective is skewed. Maybe this is my cross to bear. Maybe His grace being sufficient is it. That makes me sad but at the same time I can let go of my false hope for rescue. This desire for comfort, always begging for it and fighting for it, is a huge and exhausting burden.
Lamkins, may I suggest that you not give up hope of deliverance just yet? I've suffered from anxiety and major self-esteem issues for the better part of my life as well. I believe that God is bringing me out of those things in order to (hopefully) usher in a new period of spiritual and personal prosperity. I empathize with your frustration - I quit praying and going to church for two years myself - but as the Book says, keep knocking.
 

Lamkins

Woodpecker
Woman
Protestant
Lamkins, may I suggest that you not give up hope of deliverance just yet? I've suffered from anxiety and major self-esteem issues for the better part of my life as well. I believe that God is bringing me out of those things in order to (hopefully) usher in a new period of spiritual and personal prosperity. I empathize with your frustration - I quit praying and going to church for two years myself - but as the Book says, keep knocking.

Thank you, Maniac, that means a lot and is very encouraging. I think my biggest mistake has been making all this effort myself hence the exhaustion.
 

MsJNix

 
Banned
Woman
Catholic
Aha! I have the answer to this question: You do not!

You accept the loss of comfort as necessary, simple as that.

Once you have lost this comfort, you will recognize that it kept you weak, and that you are better off without it.
People today have replaced family and God, with pleasure and entertainment and they are miserable. Suicide rates are up and anti-depressant use has risen. They think they can numb the pain of an empty heart with food other pleasures, but only God can restore what the heart was truly made for, and that is His love for us, our love for Him and for others. Today people eat too much restaurant/delivery food, they watch too much tv and sports, and play too many video games and it makes them weak.
 
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