Is It Time To Move To A Better Place?

Cortez84

Pigeon
Catholic
Which Christian men? The Orthodox?

All denominations from multiple countries at different times in history. Anglican Puritans in the 1700's, French Huguenots in the 1800's, Greek Orthodox fleeing Egypts Nasser in the 1950's are a few examples. There has been a consistent pattern of Europeans abandoning their home country and relocating to the frontier, and its these people who built countries like the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Many also moved to countries like South Africa, Argentina and Brazil too. What has been achieved by these people is nothing short of amazing and it was achieved by people who decided to pick up and move.

When it reaches a point where the majority of the people you are trying to coexist with no longer share your values and you are being treated as a pariah because of the values you have? You have no obligation to these people at the expense of your own family or future, and you really do need to be asking yourself if you are being complicit in propping up a system which is ultimately hostile towards your core values.

You have three options IMO.

1 - You can stay, try and tolerate it and pray for a cultural shift
2 - You can try form a parallel society so that you exist alongside it, but you need to sever your reliance on that society (Mennonites, The Amish, Mormons to a lesser degree)
3 - You move to a place where your fundamental, core values are shared and you integrate accordingly.
 

Cortez84

Pigeon
Catholic
I have come to believe that the foundations of modern society such as democracy and religious freedom are the works of Satan. The prosperity was a means to cement in people‘s minds the idea that an aristocracy, kings and priesthood, all established by God for the protection of the people was in fact an evil. The prosperity even if it lasted a couple of centuries was only meant to be temporary. Now the average person no longer believing in God and trusting to his own limited intelligence is now open prey for Satan and his minions, both demonic and human.

Yes, its only through servitude to noble bloodlines, who have you work their lands and fight their wars so that they can own more land and titles, that you are truly living out Gods intended purpose for you.

Amazing take
 

Callixtus

Robin
Catholic
I live in an infamous west coast city and I have no intention of leaving. It is tempting to uproot and move to where the grass is greener, and I know many people who have done so, but this is where my parish, family and friends are.

This city is full of filth, crime and sin, but God didn't place me here for no reason. I am where He wants me to be, and, unless He reveals to me otherwise, it is where I will remain. I have work to do here and an incredible community of fellow Christians who need me just as much as I need them. It's home.

"Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more."
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
God gave you legs, you can leave.

There is this idea that someone is in the place they are because God put them there. But there is also free will. Free will is to do good or evil, and these choices present themselves in any place in this world during our lifetime.

I respect those who stay in their communities, parishes, and take seriously their responsibility to care and support their families. But I also respect the decision to leave. Here I am in Canada, unvaxxed, and I actually can't leave. I chose to stay, but seeing the door close wasn't very fun.

These choices require thought and consideration, but also foresight. In the future our choices will be increasingly limited. Prudence is a virtue.
 
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Cavalier

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
Yes, its only through servitude to noble bloodlines, who have you work their lands and fight their wars so that they can own more land and titles, that you are truly living out Gods intended purpose for you.

Amazing take
And now it is only through slavery to the International Jew that suck you dry of money while making you fight their wars while living in an increasingly depraved society devoid of God that you can find a happiness. Well I would take the Catholic Kings or the Russian Czar over what we currently have.
 

colin00

Chicken
Protestant
Yay, my forum account still works, haven't been here for quite some time.

So while I find Roosh's new perspective interesting, and while being MGTOW agree with him surprisingly often - this time I don't.
We discussed those matters a lot in the MGTOW sphere, and our conclusion was basically to move out of the cities which are cesspools obviously. And move out of the blue states. I don't understand it due to several reasons:

1. Why you'd make your life needlessly harder ?
I guess Roosh tried to answer that one in his text, but I don't agree with it. Still you're paying for the bs of those blue cities and states. Just why would you do this ? By being there / paying taxes, you enabling them to continue their evil.

2. We came to the conclusions that finding and joining based patriarchal communities is the best way to go. The difficulty is finding the people where you as a single man would belong/fit in.
Still, this is the most preferred solution imho, bc you can help and contribute to this based community, maybe even have a family there. You'll be far more effective in actually creating positive change than staying and suffering in the regions with the blue commie idiots while even not agreeing with them.
When Jesus was asked by the jews whether they should pay taxes to the pagan roman empire he answered in Luke 20:25 „And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."

When you spend money you‘re very likely to contribute it to satanic projects. Apple donated 100 millions to BLM (just in case you have an iPhone), Walmart or JnJ for example support "gay rights“. No matter to which state or country you move to, your taxes will be spent on harmful "vaccines“ produced by pharmaceutical companies which also manufacture hormone treatments for children.

So my bottom line is that not only by paying your taxes but also with daily spendings you’re contributing money to evil. So I don‘t think that this is a good reason to move.
 
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Mercury

Pigeon
Catholic
I live in an infamous west coast city and I have no intention of leaving. It is tempting to uproot and move to where the grass is greener, and I know many people who have done so, but this is where my parish, family and friends are.

This city is full of filth, crime and sin, but God didn't place me here for no reason. I am where He wants me to be, and, unless He reveals to me otherwise, it is where I will remain. I have work to do here and an incredible community of fellow Christians who need me just as much as I need them. It's home.

"Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more."
I was wondering if anyone was going to call something like this out. I recently moved to this cesspool called D.C. Research prior to coming here gave me the belief that it was absolutely soulless. From the outside, the Catholic church appeared not to be safe refuge as we had the most complicit(in sex scandals) and corrupted St. Gallen Catholic bishop in Archbishop Wilton Gregory running the show here.

And yet, if you cross the river into Alexandria it is one of the most based Catholic dioceses in the country with multiple parishes running ad orientem consecration and Latin masses. I was shocked to see how many families and younger people compared to the typical European or Northeastern dying Novus Ordo parish.

You don't necessarily need to go to Idaho or another continent as the solution. Another town over in your metro area to link up with like minded people many times contains the community you are looking for.
 

Sheepdog86

Chicken
Orthodox
I would add two decision considerations as someone who is Orthodox, the father of five, and a professional strategic analyst and planner. The first is whether or not there is a vibrant, conservative - or at least not trending towards the apostasy of "wokeness" - Orthodox parish close enough to involve your family in parish life. This matters a great deal if you have a family. We are not saved alone and even the Desert Fathers tended to form communities.

The second criteria is the opportunity to earn some sort of living within your skills sets and abilities. Ideally, consider an ability to engage with a parallel economy. One must be careful not to allow pride to dictate in the sense of "I'm an engineer/whatever and can only work in that field." Honorable work you can do to feed, clothe, and house your family and that gets you close to a good parish is the goal, not wealth and "success," but you do have to be able to work.

Just a couple of thoughts from someone who has, in fact, moved his family to a place where there is only a COVID-steric, vaccine happy, stereotypical ethno-centric GOARCH parish.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
And yet, if you cross the river into Alexandria it is one of the most based Catholic dioceses in the country with multiple parishes running ad orientem consecration and Latin masses. I was shocked to see how many families and younger people compared to the typical European or Northeastern dying Novus Ordo parish.

The community and the multiple TLM parishes is key. It gives your group an ability to be a force within the dioceses. Someday the Bishop will change, perhaps for the worse.
 

augustchambers

Chicken
Other Christian
There is a third option...stay and FIGHT.
We are not commanded to lay down and die by default.
Self preservation is not evil.
"Thou shall not kill" has an equal and opposite positive: "Thou shall preserve life"-- and that includes your own life.
He who does not have a sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one...for you will have trouble in this world.
Two of the Lord's disciples were armed, and if anyone was on a non-violent mission, it was Jesus.
The question of fighting or laying down my life without conflict is something I have spent a lot of time on in prayer.
After quite a bit of prayer, reading and meditation, I believe we've been programmed (Christians especially) to be pacifists. If Christians understood they had not only a right, but a responsibility to protect the innocents, fight off tyranny and evil-- the world would look different..then again, very few "Christians" have an intimate relationship with Jesus...

I highly suggest reading

The Magdeburg Confession: 13th of April 1550​

The Magdeburg Confession is the first known document in the history of man to formally set forth the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates. The Lesser Magistrate Doctrine teaches that when a superior authority makes unjust laws or decrees, the lesser authority has a God-given right and duty to resist those unjust laws or decrees. In 1548, Charles V imposed his infamous Augsburg Interim which was an attempt to smash the Protestant Reformation. While all of Protestant Germany conformed to his decree, one city decided to take a stand and resist his authority – the city of Magdeburg. The pastors of Magdeburg issued their Confession and Defense of the Pastors and Other Ministers of the Church of Magdeburg on April 13, 1550 AD. Five months after issuing their Confession, Charles V’s forces marched on Magdeburg. The people of Magdeburg burned everything outside the city walls and closed the city gates. The siege of Magdeburg had begun. What constitutes a tyrannical government? How and when are Christians to respond and act when a government does become tyrannical? Are Christians to give unlimited obedience to the State? These questions and others were addressed and answered by the pastors in the Confession. In defiance of Charles V’s tyranny, they declared, “Divine laws necessarily trump human ones.” What the pastors of Magdeburg wrote in the Confession significantly impacted men like John Knox, Theodore Beza and Phillip Mornay. The repercussions of the Confession were felt throughout Western Civilization all the way to the founding of America as a nation. For over 460 years, the Confession has existed only in Latin and German. Now English-speaking people can read it for themselves. This is the first English translation of The Magdeburg Confession ever written. Dr. Matthew Colvin holds a Ph.D. in Latin and Greek Literature from Cornell University.
 

augustchambers

Chicken
Other Christian
And now it is only through slavery to the International Jew that suck you dry of money while making you fight their wars while living in an increasingly depraved society devoid of God that you can find a happiness. Well I would take the Catholic Kings or the Russian Czar over what we currently have.
You would?
You think the society under one devil is more preferable than another?
When was the last time you saw someone burned at the stake for going against the Catholic church?

Those who know little of the evils of history, believe the present time is most evil.
It was evil. It is evil. But it has not been a linear progression from bad to worse.
America, imperfect as it has always been, helped slow the spread of evil; and even pushed it back.
We have been sliding into tyranny, oppression and godlessness pretty swiftly the past hundred years, or so.

That is my opinion; and worth very litte-- as all opinions are.
 

MsJNix

Pigeon
Woman
Catholic
You would?
You think the society under one devil is more preferable than another?
When was the last time you saw someone burned at the stake for going against the Catholic church?

Those who know little of the evils of history, believe the present time is most evil.
It was evil. It is evil. But it has not been a linear progression from bad to worse.
America, imperfect as it has always been, helped slow the spread of evil; and even pushed it back.
We have been sliding into tyranny, oppression and godlessness pretty swiftly the past hundred years, or so.

That is my opinion; and worth very litte-- as all opinions are.


In those days if a serious error or crime was committed there were serious consequences. Countries would expel whole groups of people if they continued to commit crimes that went against the morals and standards of the people. Here are some examples for you.
1290 A.D. - Jews were expelled from England.
1306 A.D. - Jews were expelled from France
1483 A.D. - Jews were expelled from Warsaw, Sicily, Lithuania, Portugal.
1492 A.D. - ALL JEWS EXPELLED FROM SPAIN.
1510 A.D. - Jews were EXPELLED from Brandenburg, Germany.
1553 A.D. - Rome seized and burned the Talmud by order of the POPE.
1559 A.D. - 12,000 copies of Talmud burned in Milan.
1569 A.D. - POPE PIUS V ordered all Jews out of the Papal states.
1593 A.D. - EXPULSIONS from Italy and Bavaria.
 
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Jdc732

Chicken
Catholic
Pretty timely article for me since I've been contemplating moving from the Boston area to the Southeast (Georgia or SC) once my daughter graduates high school in 1.5 years. I'm single and have never been able to connect with a solid Catholic community up here although, perhaps I haven't worked overly hard at it.

Now that vaxx mandates are gaining steam in MA, my ability to find new jobs (assuming I don't stay in my current one until retirement) long-term will be difficult to impossible. Remote work offers options in regard to sidestepping the mandates but, with the high cost of living up here I say to myself often ,"why am I paying so much (taxes, inflated home prices, etc) to live in a politically and spiritually hostile area? Especially one that's freezing for 5 months a year?"

Sure, these are mostly worldly concerns but, if there isn't a spiritual reason to stay in the midst of encroaching communism, why not move? Also, I'm not above believing that God directs our paths through practical, worldly purposes.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Sometimes you dont have to move far to drastically change your environment.

I used to live in a downtown of one city, no car, was relying on public transit. Thus, I was constantly in the middle of the simmering cultural rot, for years. Then, when I met my wife and we started pondering about our future and where to raise our future kids, we moved to a smaller city that was only a short drive away from where we used to live.

However, the difference was stark - no homeless, quiet, safe, clean surroundings, respectful neighbors. Also, by not using public transit any longer, I was not exposed any more to your typical characters you would encounter on a bus or LRT.

My stress and annoyance levels reduced significantly. Why suffer in vain? If it is within your power to change things for better, I say, why not do it? Especially, if its something simple like moving to a different neighborhood or a city.

Or perhaps, moving from a rental apartment with hundreds of people to renting a guest suite in a house in the suburbs.

Im still hoping to move, ideally on an acreage somewhere.
 

thetruewhitenorth

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Pretty timely article for me since I've been contemplating moving from the Boston area to the Southeast (Georgia or SC) once my daughter graduates high school in 1.5 years. I'm single and have never been able to connect with a solid Catholic community up here although, perhaps I haven't worked overly hard at it.

Now that vaxx mandates are gaining steam in MA, my ability to find new jobs (assuming I don't stay in my current one until retirement) long-term will be difficult to impossible. Remote work offers options in regard to sidestepping the mandates but, with the high cost of living up here I say to myself often ,"why am I paying so much (taxes, inflated home prices, etc) to live in a politically and spiritually hostile area? Especially one that's freezing for 5 months a year?"

Sure, these are mostly worldly concerns but, if there isn't a spiritual reason to stay in the midst of encroaching communism, why not move? Also, I'm not above believing that God directs our paths through practical, worldly purposes.
Im sure there are numerous, family friendly towns and cities across US where the cost of living is less, and the culture is healthier.

Coeur D'Alene, ID comes to mind.
 
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