Is lower intelligence the reason why Africans/blacks fail to thrive in the west on average?

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Looking at the answers so far: a compelling argument has been made.

Solution seems to be repatrition or extremly strict immigration from lower IQ countries, which should have taken place along time ago.
Well first you have to ask the fundamental question "what do I even want from my society in the first place?"

"Successful" is a rather ambiguous term and I think it's become abundantly clear by what's going on in America right now that even if you disappeared the non-whites entirely that the GOP, having a clean road to a dozen elections, would still sell their constituents down the river in pursuit of the creation of a satanic technocratic oligarchy, and whites would do little to stop them as long as they had their digital distractions.

Even the presumption of democracy itself as "best practice, but suitable only for high IQ people" is fallacious. It has delivered us easily into the mouth of the serpent decade over decade over decade, not just in places where black people vote but in places where nearly everyone is white. As usual defenders of democracy have to resort to increasingly abstract versions of it in order to come up with a system that might (in theory) work wonderfully where previous versions failed utterly.

"It would work if there were no black people (because by principle we can't have black people but not let them vote)."
"It would work if women couldn't vote (because we can't get rid of women, it doesn't really work)".
"It would work if there was an intelligence test before you could vote."
Eventually we get to "It would work if it weren't for those damned scots/irish/protestants/catholics/aryans/scandis/atheists/muslims/whoever-else-votes-for-what-I-don't-like".

And the people you're voting for laugh behind your back because they give you nothing you voted for anyway. In reality they work for (((someone else))) so democracy is a perfect vehicle for tyranny, because you can treat the population like cattle and retain the plausible deniability that it's all their fault for voting the wrong way half the time.

Yes, we whites are evidently very smart with our amazing forms of democratic government. We're so smart we've invented, funded, built and operated our own technocratic prison state.

So if you can't accurately even describe what "success" is then by what basis can you make the claim that race (x) is "failing to thrive"?

Are we whites?

Thriving?

Anywhere?
 

KingDavid

Sparrow
Are we whites?

Thriving?

Anywhere?
E. Michael Jones writes this in length over many books; the main theme being corruption of morality and an explanation of the political cycle, of how actions create equal and opposite reactions.

We seem to be a people of great highs but equally great lows.

One can only conclude that God is fair.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The sun people vs. ice people theory has some issues. By that theory, shouldn't eskimos be the master race then? Also ancient Egypt shouldn't have existed either: after all they had easy to access to the Nile River which provided fertile farmland yearly so going by the sun people theory, they should have just remained as primitive hunter-gatherers rather than developing the civilization they did. And what about Greece? The Mediterranean has most of the gentle climates in the world and also provides easy food so shouldn't Greece have not developed either? If people said that Middle Eastern people are the master race and used the reasoning that they had to survive in a harsh unforgiving landscape where you had to be intelligent about resources, people would rightfully laugh that theory out of the building.

A lot of the reasoning seems to me to be just so stories, similar to what you see sometimes when evolutionary psychology gets over-applied.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
When the Indo-European peoples first arrived in northern Europe there were probably lots of men who were womanizers who had children with multiple women and then abandoned them, but their offspring mostly starved and froze to death in the winter without a man around to provide, so that genetic tendency towards womanizing and carousing largely died out. Meanwhile, in places like Africa and Mesoamerica, the children of such men lived badly without a father around but didn't starve to death because there's always some fruit or something around to eat and it doesn't get cold enough to literally freeze to death.
I thought the pre-Christian Scandinavians were known for being pretty loose with keeping their marriage vows, especially the women. I've seen some theories that the reason why you see so much divorce in places like Iceland and Sweden and why women from these nations are notorious for being carnal-minded is traced back to this.
 

blackglasses

Woodpecker
I don't think so - at least in terms of "raw intelligence". African immigrants to the U.S. often do very well, and are also on average fairly Christian. I think it's a combination of genuinely bad policies, and bad culture.

If what's seen as aspirational in your community is being a basketball player, then a few make it, and the vast majority fail with no appreciable skills gained. But simultaneously, the drug war has been terrible for blacks. I don't condone the use of illicit drugs. However, people go to drugs, because their life is shit in some way. If you live in the ghetto, your life sucks, and we punish you twice by sending you to jail when you're drawn to drugs. If your dad's an otherwise decent guy who has a drug problem, it's better for a kid to grow up with his dad than to grow up with no dad at all.

I think the right approach is to increase police, decriminalize possession of drugs, increase school funding in shit areas, raise teacher pay to get better teachers, break up teacher's unions so that you can weed out shit teachers, and give parents school vouchers, so they can make their own choices about their kids' education (e.g. to use at Christian schools). But unfortunately, these BLM commies have everyone fixated on absolute nonsense.
As a black man. The reason is that African immigrants are the cream of the crop academically. from Africa.

I went to undergrad and grad school on scholarship (my tests scores were high in relation to all applicants not just black people).

The problem is culture but think for a second that the elite school I graduated from wouldn’t have accepted my grandparents but white students have several generations of legacy at that school.

think how blacks were systematically denied loans to buy house and opportunity to build wealth. Blacks usually find themselves in poor school districts combined with single parent households.

Think how black people do drugs at a similar rate to white people but are in jail for drug crimes at a much higher rate.

I had all the risk factors: my mom was a teen when she had me, young black male growing in the inner city etc. but I moved to the suburbs in middle school and my parents forced school on me
 

Kid ....picking up trash that EFF members keep throwing on the ground

Free State, South Africa (4 March 2019) – It is not known who the young man is but the video has been viewed over 300 000 times in just 4 hours and it doesn’t seem to be slowing down!

Ruan Bentley posted the video after seeing the young man continuously collecting trash and throwing it into the bin, despite the fact that EFF members keep taking the same rubbish and throwing it back on the ground.


Are you a Christian, Manjusri108?

Too, for everyone else, here is a story.

My Pakistani co-worker a very smart guy but misguided by democrat politics says that his own country and Af-gan-istan are lost causes because men marry five (5) women and lie around all day (presumably making sweet love). They have no energy to create an advanced society.

Maybe Africa has a similar problem?
As it was stated in my introductory post, I have found other than Christianity way of living in peace, freedom, love, withdrowing from erroneous actions and respecting myself and the other human beings, which is the teaching of Buddha. You can also deduce my primary tradition from the username I had chosen for this forum.

Still, I don't see any connection between the 'viral' video and the off-topics of this already off-toppish thread. Why did it ever become 'viral', after all? Two afrofeminist giving vent to their brewed-by-centuries hate and contempt. A white dude repeating the same action yet -- presumably -- hoping to get a different result. Their scorn VS his stupidity. A big deal. I've seen things a way way way worse than that, also in real life.
 

Easy_C

Crow
However, in most or all societies there were classes of people who had callings and mating patterns that lent themselves to a small group who had some sexual selection based on intelligence. These were merchants, priests, keepers of history and so on. Africa has had those people, but in very limited numbers.

There's also one factor that's not well known. Europe had an extended period under the rule of the church where there was an extremely harsh penal code but no prisons. On average, they executed 1% of their population a year for criminality.

The thing about Europeans that is unique is that they literally killed off their underclass.


As a black man. The reason is that African immigrants are the cream of the crop academically. from Africa.

I went to undergrad and grad school on scholarship (my tests scores were high in relation to all applicants not just black people).
One thing I've noticed among Africans is that there seems to be a very high dispersion in intelligence. Those who I have known that fell into that high IQ category tended to be MUCH smarter and generally more redpilled than your average caucasian I have been able to sit down and have conversations with them about things like how diversity hiring is such incredible bullshit and we're getting opportunities we don't deserve, or how insane feminists are. They laugh and add their own insights while any white person would be looking at me like a vampire seeing a cross if I said that to them.
 

STG

Robin
The sun people vs. ice people theory has some issues. By that theory, shouldn't eskimos be the master race then? Also ancient Egypt shouldn't have existed either: after all they had easy to access to the Nile River which provided fertile farmland yearly so going by the sun people theory, they should have just remained as primitive hunter-gatherers rather than developing the civilization they did. And what about Greece? The Mediterranean has most of the gentle climates in the world and also provides easy food so shouldn't Greece have not developed either? If people said that Middle Eastern people are the master race and used the reasoning that they had to survive in a harsh unforgiving landscape where you had to be intelligent about resources, people would rightfully laugh that theory out of the building.

A lot of the reasoning seems to me to be just so stories, similar to what you see sometimes when evolutionary psychology gets over-applied.
You cannot assume that just because a country has a certain people living there today will mean that county was always populated by those people.

As I said before, that would be like believing Detroit at the height of its power was a black American city because its mostly black today.

The Greeks and Romans of ancient times were Nordic peoples descended from winter countries.

https://www.unz.com/article/what-race-were-the-greeks-and-romans/
A hundred years ago, however, Europeans took it for granted that many Greeks and Romans were the same race as themselves. The famed 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica, published in 1911, noted that “survival of fair hair and complexion and light eyes among the upper classes in Thebes and some other localities shows that the blond type of mankind which is characteristic of north-western Europe had already penetrated into Greek lands before classical times.” It added that the early Greeks, or Hellenes, were Nordic, one of “the fair-haired tribes of upper Europe known to the ancients as Keltoi.” Sixty years ago even Bertrand Russell, the British philosopher and socialist, believed that the Hellenes “were fair-haired invaders from the North, who brought the Greek language with them” (History of Western Philosophy, 1946).
In fact, there was a good basis for the 1911 Britannica to write about blonds in Thebes. Thebes was the leading city of Boeotia, a rich agricultural region in south-central Greece. Fragments from an ancient 150 BC travelogue describe the women of Thebes as “the tallest, prettiest, and most graceful in all of Hellas. Their yellow hair is tied up in a knot on the top of their head.” Pindar, a fifth century Theban lyric poet, refers to the Greeks as “the fair-haired Danaoi,” using a poetical name for the Hellenes. Likewise, in his Partheneia, or “Maiden Songs,” the seventh century BC Spartan poet Alcman, praised the beauty of Spartan female athletes, with their “golden hair” and “violet eyes.” He also wrote of Spartan women with “silver eyes,” meaning light gray. The seventh-century BC Greek poet Archilochus praises the “yellow hair” of one of his lovers, and Sappho — also of the seventh century BC — writes of her “beautiful daughter, golden like a flower.”
Egypt today is mostly the descendents of the slaves and lower classes. What happened to the ancient world is the same thing that is happening in the West today. The native upper classes stopped having children or fewer children and were outbred by the lower classes and immigrants.

https://www.smh.com.au/technology/some-ancient-egyptians-were-natural-blondes-20160426-gof9hn.html
She said it made sense. The child mummies had fair hair because they lived during the rule of the Greeks and the Romans. This era would have brought many new genes into Egypt, via the Northern Greek and Roman soldiers as well as traders and slaves who may have had northern European genes.

"Some ancient Egyptians could have been blue-eyed blondes or brown-eyed blondes," she said. "I wouldn't say ancient Egypt was multi-cultural like Australia today but certainly there were various mixes."
 

estraudi

Kingfisher
Gold Member
People have evolved to be best fitted to their environment.
Great point STG, we must not forget that nearly every african american who is alive today is a descendant of slaves dating back hundreds of years.
Back in those days slaveowners were breeding their slaves to be more pliable, more durable, physical and dullard in nature so that they can continue to be exploited for their labor. They never once were selected for intelligence or foresight planning.

Fast forward to 2020 we can highlight that the past 50 yrs or so of continued ruination of the black community can be attributed to the breakdown of the family unit, social programs that make users of such a system dependent, therefore, unable to plan their own future much less for their posterity.
Caught between a rock and a hard place. Making a civilization is hard work. Maintaining said civilization is even harder.
Some people are at a significantly higher disadvantage than others this much is true. Those that weather winters, diseases, communism, socialism and whatever else that exists to wipe out civilizations are the ones that, by nature, get to live on into the future. Cui Bono?
Nature or Nurture?

Nature will always win out.
 

STG

Robin
I thought the pre-Christian Scandinavians were known for being pretty loose with keeping their marriage vows, especially the women. I've seen some theories that the reason why you see so much divorce in places like Iceland and Sweden and why women from these nations are notorious for being carnal-minded is traced back to this.
Revisionist history.

The Germania, written by the Roman historian Publius Cornelius Tacitus around 98 ad and originally entitled On the Origin and Situation of the Germans (Latin: De Origine et situ Germanorum), was a historical and ethnographic work on the Germanic tribes outside the Roman Empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germania_(book)

The Germania begins with a description of the lands, laws, and customs of the Germanic people (chapters 1–27); it then describes individual tribes, beginning with those dwelling closest to Roman lands and ending on the uttermost shores of the Baltic, among the amber-gathering Aesti, the Fenni, and the unknown tribes beyond them.

Tacitus says (chapter 2) that physically, the Germanic peoples appear to be a distinct nation, not an admixture of their neighbors, since nobody would desire to migrate to a climate as horrid as that of Germania. They are divided into three large branches, the Ingaevones, the Irminones, and the Istaevones, deriving their ancestry from three sons of Mannus, son of Tuisto, their common forefather. In chapter 4, he mentions that they all have common physical characteristics, blue eyes (truces et caerulei oculi = "sky-coloured, azure, dark blue, dark green), reddish hair ( rutilae comae = "red, golden-red, reddish yellow"), and large bodies, vigorous at the first onset but not tolerant of exhausting labour, tolerant of hunger and cold, but not of heat or thirst.[1]

In chapter 7, Tacitus describes their government and leadership as somewhat merit-based and egalitarian, with leadership by example rather than authority, and punishments are carried out by the priests. He mentions (chapter 8) that the opinions of women are given respect. In chapter 11, Tacitus describes a form of folk assembly rather similar to the public Things recorded in later Germanic sources: in these public deliberations, the final decision rests with the men of the tribe as a whole.

Tacitus further discusses the role of women in chapters 7 and 8, mentioning that they often accompany the men to battle and offer encouragement. He says that the men are often highly motivated to fight for the women because of an extreme fear of losing them to captivity. Tacitus says (chapter 18) that the Germans are mainly content with one wife, except for a few political marriages, and specifically and explicitly compares this practice favorably to other barbarian cultures, perhaps since monogamy was a shared value between Roman and Germanic cultures. He also records (chapter 19) that adultery is very rare, and that an adulterous woman is shunned afterward by the community regardless of her beauty. In chapter 45, Tacitus mentions that the tribe to the north of the Germans, the Sitones, "resemble [the Suevi Scandinavians] in all respects but one - woman is the ruling sex."[2]

The latter chapters of the books describe the various Germanic tribes, their relative locations, and some of their characteristics. Many of the tribes named correspond with other (and later) historical records and traditions, while the fate of others is less clear.[citation needed]
 

STG

Robin
The opening scene to the movie Idiocracy, a comedy movie from 2006.

Life imitates art?

In the Western world today, all children born will be taken care of. Literally, if you breed 'em we'll feed 'em.

There is no natural selection pressure on humans today in the West.

 
Those that weather winters, diseases, communism, socialism and whatever else that exists to wipe out civilizations are the ones that, by nature, get to live on into the future.
Actually the modern Swiss and Scandinavian society models are very much socialism-like, including citizen's basic income, freedom of trade unions and progressive income taxes. Stille alive and, as far as I can project it, will remain so far long hereafter.
 
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The opening scene to the movie Idiocracy, a comedy movie from 2006.

Life imitates art?

In the Western world today, all children born will be taken care of. Literally, if you breed 'em we'll feed 'em.

There is no natural selection pressure on humans today in the West.

The IQ in Idiocracy has nothing to do with race. It's about white trash, remember :)
 
American ideals of democracy and free markets are not ideal for any people.
Well, all people of all races, religions or cultures want to pursue their happiness and avoid suffering, that's a universal law applicable to both humans and other beings from any worlds.
 

Easy_C

Crow
It doesn't. Give Europeans a few centuries of welfare state provision and their average intelligence will start dropping
 
As a black man. The reason is that African immigrants are the cream of the crop academically. from Africa.

I went to undergrad and grad school on scholarship (my tests scores were high in relation to all applicants not just black people).

The problem is culture but think for a second that the elite school I graduated from wouldn’t have accepted my grandparents but white students have several generations of legacy at that school.

think how blacks were systematically denied loans to buy house and opportunity to build wealth. Blacks usually find themselves in poor school districts combined with single parent households.

Think how black people do drugs at a similar rate to white people but are in jail for drug crimes at a much higher rate.

I had all the risk factors: my mom was a teen when she had me, young black male growing in the inner city etc. but I moved to the suburbs in middle school and my parents forced school on me
You're just making excuses.

No one should buy them, least of all yourself.

There are people who have suffered more than blacks, who are very successful today.

Dark indians from the Dalit caste have literally been untouchable for millennia, forced into debasing work, emptying public toilets and similar tasks for thousands of years. We're talking being treated like slaves for thousands of years. They come to the US and in 2 generations are among the most successful minorities.

Let go of the excuses.
 

estraudi

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Actually the modern Swiss and Scandinavian society models are very much socialism-like, including citizen's basic income, freedom of trade unions and progressive income taxes. Stille alive and, as far as I can project it, will remain so far long hereafter.
True. But the genetics of the people in switzerland(Germanics, Dinaric & Alpinid) render them to be the most healthiest so they really don't "abuse" their healthcare system by being fat slovenly and an overall drain on their medical system, alone. Figure that to be the case for their tax bases, unions and income. They are more harmonious so less conflictual. Genetically they are as homogeneous as Scandis. So therefore they tend to have the same "socialist" models but with not very many of it's downsides.

But socialism in "diversity" is all downsides and nary an upside. It's inverted.
 
You're just making excuses.

No one should buy them, least of all yourself.

There are people who have suffered more than blacks, who are very successful today.

Dark indians from the Dalit caste have literally been untouchable for millennia, forced into debasing work, emptying public toilets and similar tasks for thousands of years. We're talking being treated like slaves for thousands of years. They come to the US and in 2 generations are among the most successful minorities.

Let go of the excuses.
Oh, looks like the suffering, deprivation and oppression Olympics are about to begin. How convenient for the WASPs.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
You're just making excuses.

No one should buy them, least of all yourself.

There are people who have suffered more than blacks, who are very successful today.

Dark indians from the Dalit caste have literally been untouchable for millennia, forced into debasing work, emptying public toilets and similar tasks for thousands of years. We're talking being treated like slaves for thousands of years. They come to the US and in 2 generations are among the most successful minorities.

Let go of the excuses.
I agree, if I have an opinion about the state of African American society in America its that they were the first target of "Globohomo" and we're seeing the results. They got welfare, government housing, abortion, single mother families and hard drugs pushed on them first as the dry run. Crack for was the blacks, now they are rinsing and repeating with meth/fentanyl for the whites.

When I lived in Tennessee and would go to Memphis or even in east Tennessee and you met people that went to a black church, or especially a two parent household they were polite, stable and well mannered just like the white people of the same family and religious status.

On the reverse, the a welfare queen single mom, with 5 kids, from 5 different fathers living in a drug and crime ridden neighborhood the only time that skin color came into it was if you were in the country or the city. In the country the welfare queens are white and live in the trailer parks, in the city they are black and live in the old city areas.
 
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