Is lower intelligence the reason why Africans/blacks fail to thrive in the west on average?

[Er Miqué]

I'd say it's not IQ or intelligence.

It's more about impulse control and postponing gratification. If Blacks could postpone gratification and control their impulses they would be able to succeed in this society a lot more. If they could wait a whole month working for a wage instead of just going to rob somebody because it's quicker they would be better. If they could control their impulses better they wouldn't be as violent, lust-driven and so close to drug or alcohol addiction. And then you got the welfare culture and it exacerbates their weaknesses.

Not a lot of people are smart but they still get to succeed: it's just having the determination that you're going to do something and you will. The smarter people aren't the ones who solve all their problems alone but the ones who make others solve their problems. You don't need to have a 140 IQ to run a successful business: you just need to know what to do and you will do it. And that's another problem for Blacks: nobody tells them to become entrepreneurs or at least to get a decent job and have a nice family but it's only "be tha gangsta" and "get tha bitches" stuff they hear all the day. And then you wonder why they are like they are.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

My best guess is that black people spent most of their evolution near the equator which provided a easier life in the hunter gather days compared to less melanated races that evolved closer to the poles

The main vector for the increase of IQ was likely man-made environments that modestly favoured more intelligent people for reproduction. It appears a society without a large welfare state and where people who are more economically successful have more children leads to something like a 0.3 IQ increase per generation.

Other than places in Africa where Semitic culture flowed down to, there was essentially no written language in Mummy Africa, very few skilled trades or sophisticated classes. There has been no precursor for Africans to become more intelligent for the most part, so they aren't.

There is also the factor of nutrition. The far eastern societies had poor nutrition, hence their small stature. Their economies were not complex, but they had trades and scholars for 1,000s of years - longer than Europe and hence their higher IQs. But with East Asians their poor nutrition was likely a bigger suppressant on IQ potential. 200 years ago the average Northern European man was 5ft 5in, due to nutrition. That likely shaved 10 or so IQ points off. So in times past the bar for professional, complicated jobs was more challenging. It puts in context some of Europe's beautiful historic cities, like Vienna. That the people living there likely had a 5 point IQ deficit. This factor was much stronger in East Asia, where nutrition was much worse.

Another factor with blacks is that they have a much higher incidence of a variant of a gene known as the warrior gene, which is strongly linked with violent behaviour. One in a thousand whites have it, while more than one in twenty blacks have it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

This gene variant is present in something like half of street gang members.

Western societies wont deal with this, so the violence of blacks will go on.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

I'd say it's not IQ or intelligence.

It's more about impulse control and postponing gratification. If Blacks could postpone gratification and control their impulses they would be able to succeed in this society a lot more. If they could wait a whole month working for a wage instead of just going to rob somebody because it's quicker they would be better. If they could control their impulses better they wouldn't be as violent, lust-driven and so close to drug or alcohol addiction. And then you got the welfare culture and it exacerbates their weaknesses.

Not a lot of people are smart but they still get to succeed: it's just having the determination that you're going to do something and you will. The smarter people aren't the ones who solve all their problems alone but the ones who make others solve their problems. You don't need to have a 140 IQ to run a successful business: you just need to know what to do and you will do it. And that's another problem for Blacks: nobody tells them to become entrepreneurs or at least to get a decent job and have a nice family but it's only "be tha gangsta" and "get tha bitches" stuff they hear all the day. And then you wonder why they are like they are.

If you have an 85 IQ you can't run a successful business. Their brain does not have the capacity to deal with anything beyond linear problems, unless they are trained. Someone with an 85 IQ can be a cashier or maybe run a restaurant, but nothing notable. There is a good amount of research on IQ and occupations and all professional occupations (including at least some pro sports) have an average IQ of 110.

Those with top one percent incomes are also in the top couple of percent of SAT scores, which are largely analogous with IQ scores.

As for impulse control, to learn such things you probably need stable people around you. Poor life decisions correlate with low income, which correlates with low IQ, which both correlate with living around other people with the same. People who are less intelligent need good moral and economic leaders in their area, which they don't have. They have the opposite.

One piece of information I heard recently is that a better marker of bad life outcomes is not coming from a fatherless home, but coming from a neighbourhood where there are lots of fatherless homes. But it's not simple the absence of a father. These are markers of other things, including low IQ, which as mentioned leads to poor life decisions.

Due to social liberalism and leftism our moral leaders have been cast off. Until certain morals are again law, like no divorce or fornication these problems will continue to rage.

 

[infowarrior1]

If you have an 85 IQ you can't run a successful business. Their brain does not have the capacity to deal with anything beyond linear problems, unless they are trained. Someone with an 85 IQ can be a cashier or maybe run a restaurant, but nothing notable. There is a good amount of research on IQ and occupations and all professional occupations (including at least some pro sports) have an average IQ of 110.

Those with top one percent incomes are also in the top couple of percent of SAT scores, which are largely analogous with IQ scores.

As for impulse control, to learn such things you probably need stable people around you. Poor life decisions correlate with low income, which correlates with low IQ, which both correlate with living around other people with the same. People who are less intelligent need good moral and economic leaders in their area, which they don't have. They have the opposite.

One piece of information I heard recently is that a better marker of bad life outcomes is not coming from a fatherless home, but coming from a neighbourhood where there are lots of fatherless homes. But it's not simple the absence of a father. These are markers of other things, including low IQ, which as mentioned leads to poor life decisions.

Due to social liberalism and leftism our moral leaders have been cast off. Until certain morals are again law, like no divorce or fornication these problems will continue to rage.

As Voxday once said:

"Intelligence is merely firepower. More specifically, it is your mental caliber. To effectively utilize intelligence, you still require the ammunition that is information, whether acquired via formal education or autodidacticism, as well as the wisdom to know where to direct it. A well-placed .22 round is more effective than a 152mm artillery barrage that is miles off target.

This is why the possession of high intelligence is little more meaningful than the possession of academic credentials. It's all just potential, and potential should never be confused with actual accomplishment. This is why even a moderate amount of wisdom merits far more respect than very high intelligence. "

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[Blade Runner]

If you look at people in terms of groups, there will always be problems since by definition you are doing it in order to compare. You could just look at it from a "let's see how group X is getting along" but we know that's not what is happening, it's never in a vacuum that one would do such an experiment or analysis. Throw in the egalitarianism nonsense of modern people, and of course you have the worst possible combination of things going. The bioleninism thread is informative on why this is so problematic, and thus, utilized. Of course, selective application of traits or talents (why aren't athletes equally distributed?) only goes one way and then even further becomes a joke (since all the athletes look like this, why aren't coaches?) to anyone who actually pays attention, is honest, or tries to analyze fairly.

 

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[dv2020_to_be_or_not_to_be]

As Voxday once said:

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I was listening to a recent VD darkstream today. He explained that due to limited inflow of non native people into China that they would be far stronger in the future. Places like Europe and America with their constant inflow of people of different cultures was a clear indicator of war. Whenever there is a mass movement of people, historically, war is brewing. I really like this guy's delivery & wisdom. Thanks Vox Day.

 

[infowarrior1]

I was listening to a recent VD darkstream today. He explained that due to limited inflow of non native people into China that they would be far stronger in the future. Places like Europe and America with their constant inflow of people of different cultures was a clear indicator of war. Whenever there is a mass movement of people, historically, war is brewing. I really like this guy's delivery & wisdom. Thanks Vox Day.

China used to be multiple ethnic groups and countries also. But they have long been unified under one Emperor and intermarriage has made them far more closely related. With each dynasty lasting longer in uniting the country for centuries.

 

[infowarrior1]

If you look at people in terms of groups, there will always be problems since by definition you are doing it in order to compare. You could just look at it from a "let's see how group X is getting along" but we know that's not what is happening, it's never in a vacuum that one would do such an experiment or analysis. Throw in the egalitarianism nonsense of modern people, and of course you have the worst possible combination of things going. The bioleninism thread is informative on why this is so problematic, and thus, utilized. Of course, selective application of traits or talents (why aren't athletes equally distributed?) only goes one way and then even further becomes a joke (since all the athletes look like this, why aren't coaches?) to anyone who actually pays attention, is honest, or tries to analyze fairly.

Envy is an endless resource. Resulting in a ready made group to use against whatever group you seek to destroy.

 

[Dilated]

It’s both culture and genetics. I’m a white guy with a black ex-wife and to be honest the culture is appalling. It’s impossible to see without being in it.

I can’t find any redeeming qualities.

It’s a culture of failure with no peers in this world. It’s the deadly combination of lower IQ...poor work ethic...and a culture that doesn’t promote family/good values/education/curiosity/learning/etc.

An added problem in USA is they think of themselves as black first and humans second. So, if a black guy gets treated poorly (or it’s perceived he was treated poorly- thanks CNN) it’s an assault on the entire race. Now there’s an axe to grind and someone else to blame.

Rinse and repeat.

It’s not fixable I don’t think. It would take too great a change...from too many people...consistently for too long.

 

[DenizenJane]

Hidin' Biden and Trump are doing campaign speeches at Black Empowerment Summits now. As if they got brand new plans and this country has brand new blacks...

Back in the 1990s, eastern Canada had an economic collapse. The cod yields depleted. Unlike the gradual offshoring of industry in the U.S, the government response up there was a moratorium on fishing. Therefore, everything collapsed harder and faster than U.S deindustrialization ever did.

Some of the effects were predictable. Population growth in the Maritmes slowed to a crawl, with Newfoundland having substantial population decline. Most of those I assume moved out west. I'm sure a few of the chronically unemployed began to just wallow in dope and booze.

But these places didn't turn into East St. Louis. Or Detroit. Or Camden. Or Chicago. Or Oakland.



lol We can't keep this up forever. Its time to start telling the truth. Otherwise the truth will start telling us, so to speak.

No, its not just culture. Its biological. If any honest person is just focused on fixing so-called dysfunctional African American ghetto culture, they should be obligated to do the same thing in; Jamaica, Haiti, South Africa, Brazil etc.

Its not just culture.

 

[Towgunner]

This is a factor, period. The truth of it is expressed in hard quantitative data. That being said, that's not to say all Blacks are dumb. Many aren't. And that's why its important to sustain a tradition that says to look at people individually. Judge on actions. Never judge a book by its cover. But all of that are relics of the old America. Its the Golden Rule. And it worked very well.

IQ deficiencies notwithstanding, I'd say the biggest reason for Blacks not doing well is the break down of the nuclear family. You can go a long way by being motivated and over-coming the odds. People do it all the time. But, very few even attempt it let alone are successful if they don't have good influences. Fathers were the locus of this motivation and wisdom and encouragement. Especially for boys. They set the example. Their wisdom came from their f*ck ups and close calls. But they have to be there. And not only that engaged.

Society as a whole doesn't value fathers that much. They think some "village" made up of indifferent assh*les that care only about themselves is all that's needed. Or "love". If the father isn't valued than family isn't valued...how can it be since it takes a father and mother? No no, single moms are heroic. Single moms are better than two parent households. We're told. How can a father be so necessary when "they" insist that two moms or two dads aren't just as good, but, way way way better. Because as we know ALL homosexuals are perfect and superior to anyone that is not homosexual.

This is what is holding Blacks back.

 

[Easy_C]

One thing I will point out: IQ isn’t strictly a “race” thing. A huge part of why Europeans are they way they are is because Middle Ages Europe’s method of law enforcement killed about 1% of their population ever year. Over the course of a few centuries they literally killed off much of the portion of the population with lowlife instincts. And they did this in a Climate with harsh winters while dealing with near constant Turkish/Muslim incursions and invasions.

Africa by contrast has had no such event in their history yet. If anything the endless resources funneled their way have an extremely dysgenic effect.

I guarantee that if you had a situation in Africa where they have several centuries of anyone who exhibits Sociopathic underclass behavior being brutally executed that the attributes of the population would be very different on the other side of that time period.

 

[poster153712646]

In ghettos father figures eventually are the older local ballers (drug dealers for the most part) which leads them into the lifestyle.

Next we have ghetto schools: If you throw a bunch of kids from dysfunctional households together nothing good comes out of it. I know it first hand.

Lack of formal education = hard time getting into jobs. Local companies in Europe don't even hire you if you're from a shitty area known for crime.

Next we have propaganda: Music / media = stay gangster.

Then we have white rejection as the association of blacks is with [[tribe produced media]] which is either gangster or gay which doesn't foster economic integration.

There are enough functioning African countries. They obviously don't look like Europe / US or Canada but they aren't all completely dysfunctional sh*tholes either.

Another factor is lack of manufacturing jobs, which is also hurting lower IQ whites and even I as a high IQ guy with a good capability for delayed gratification and living way below my means see the goalpost moving ever higher with uncertain future prospects.

A lot of people will be totally f*cked without a boomer inheritance coming and jobs evaporating due to automation / COVID downturn etc.

 

[wannable alpha]

Didn't know about the warrior gene stuff before. But always thought that blacks had more testosterone compared to other races. That is why you see well fed blacks easily surpassing well fed individuals of other ethnic backgrounds in terms of physique.

A high testosterone male, from the time he hits his teens, cannot be cooped up in a classroom or a cubicle. He needs something more physical to do. If all these trouble making black teens running around in wilding gangs were transported to the jungles and savannas of Africa would they not find a natural fit for all their aggression and hypermasculinity?

I know this sounds like something that Leo DiCaprio's character from Django Unchained would say but that's my 2 cents.

 

[JohnQThomas]

I think the biggest factor is cultural. I don't mean they don't have a father. I mean most are raised in an environment with different values. Buy nice clothers and spend all your money rather than save. Dont' work for the Man/the system. Anyone who separates from the pack and tries to get ahead is ostracized, except in narrow contexts like sports or music. Its part of the corrupting effect of handouts and set asides.

Compare black culture in the U.S. to Mexicans. Mexicans are not a lot higher on the totem pole in this country, but they value savings, living below their means, kicking money back to their elders either here or in Mexico, big family units. They might be on welfare but if they are they are probably working 40+ hours a week under the table too.

There are exceptions of course. When I go to a sports arena, you always see kids hustling bottles of water and what not, respect.

Are some kinds of “hustling” (aka free enterprise) better than others? Bottles of water, sí; but other rackets (operated by “ghetto” kids)...not so much?

 

[Hypno]

Depends on your perspecitve.

From the hustler's perspective, both are positive in that they are making something for themselves, not relying on handout. Even if they are hustling drugs, that is positive on some level.

From society's perspective, it depends on what they are hustling. Plutonium - bad. stolen property - bad. Drugs, hookers - depends on your view of drugs or hookers.

 

[DenizenJane]

I wouldn't mistake drug dealing as a hint of being resourceful or brainy.

The truth is small time drug dealing is only a game of nerve thats fairly hard to screw up.


You have about a 50/50 chance of having your head blown off for starters. So, in that case, you can most definitely screw up, I suppose...


You're also dealing with illegal goods with a chemically captive clientele- essentially a monopoly on business. Therefore, you can also be as unpunctual, untruthful, and abusive as you want to people. This is in fact the stereotype of the chronically late dealer ala ""I'm just around the corner" text from an hour ago. You will only lose clients to their own incarceration, overdose, or to the occasional competition in which you arrange a drive-by or something like that.

The point is no drug dealer is a Salesman of the Year. Or an entrepreneur.

 

[El Draque]

Didn't know about the warrior gene stuff before. But always thought that blacks had more testosterone compared to other races. That is why you see well fed blacks easily surpassing well fed individuals of other ethnic backgrounds in terms of physique.

A high testosterone male, from the time he hits his teens, cannot be cooped up in a classroom or a cubicle. He needs something more physical to do.

Perhaps some sort of agricultural work might be the solution...

 

[Chiosboy90]

Of course its an IQ question. But in combination with fatherless homes and gangster/hip hop culture.