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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manjusri108" data-source="post: 1331499" data-attributes="member: 18352">I think what you've written here tells more about a paternal fugure within national American mythology than of actual state of things. Back in Neolithic times 'Native Europeans' were most likely living in a matriarchal society. Patriarchy and a Deus Pater figure are Indo-European things, but elsewhere the societies were ruled by women. I bet some of those societies had a lot of good traditional -- in their terms -- nuclear families, also led by women, but that was long before the Indo Europeans came there.Also, I think you've got some strange ideas about Hispanics -- who are mostly Catholics and therefore very loyal to their families and family ties.</blockquote>