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<blockquote data-quote="bucky" data-source="post: 1331521" data-attributes="member: 10588">I wanted to address the bolded part separately. There's so much to contradict this that I don't know where to start. To begin, in case you're not aware, in the ancient Greco-Roman world the term &quot;barbarian&quot; simply meant &quot;not Greek or Roman&quot; and had nothing to do with being civilized or not. For example, the highly advanced Persians and Chinese were barbarians to the Romans. Millennia of highly advanced human civilization proceeded the advent of Christianity, both European and non-European. Africans and Latin Americans have had something like 500 years with Christianity, which seems like it should be enough to produce an advanced civilization if that were something that Christianity inevitably does. The idea that Christianity always eventually leads to advanced, stable civilizations seems highly doubtful to me, but none of us will be around in a thousand years or so to see for sure.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bucky, post: 1331521, member: 10588"] I wanted to address the bolded part separately. There's so much to contradict this that I don't know where to start. To begin, in case you're not aware, in the ancient Greco-Roman world the term "barbarian" simply meant "not Greek or Roman" and had nothing to do with being civilized or not. For example, the highly advanced Persians and Chinese were barbarians to the Romans. Millennia of highly advanced human civilization proceeded the advent of Christianity, both European and non-European. Africans and Latin Americans have had something like 500 years with Christianity, which seems like it should be enough to produce an advanced civilization if that were something that Christianity inevitably does. The idea that Christianity always eventually leads to advanced, stable civilizations seems highly doubtful to me, but none of us will be around in a thousand years or so to see for sure. [/QUOTE]

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