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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bucky" data-source="post: 1331536" data-attributes="member: 10588">Yes, "preceded" not "proceeded." I meant "came before."I think we might be working with different definitions of "civilization" and "advanced." I'm defining civilization in the way an anthropologist would, as a society having established cities, agriculture, and a writing system. I'm defining advanced as technologically advanced. Nothing in my definitions of either term has anything to do with being moral, good, or Christian. I don't believe there's much correlation between being good, moral, or Christian and being civilized and technologically advanced, or that God much cares about things like civilization in the way I'm defining it or advanced technology. People can be good Christians with or without those things.</blockquote>