Is Roosh and the manosphere a bankruptcy sinking ship out of ideas?

Aurini

Ostrich
The Beast1 said:
Frankly, you've done quite a lot to change the world and the ripples of your past actions are still having an effect today.

Your best days, new books, and even more avant garde advice are still ahead of you.
We are in a lull right now.

A time to exhale... and a time to inhale. Bulk and cut.

I'm feeling pretty damned good about the future, despite my apparent black pilledness, and current cynicism on the recent past. The dead wood is being cut away. Then the phoenix rises from the fire.
 

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Kingfisher
Roosh said:
I don't think there is much of a "manosphere" anymore.
It started with the Roissysphere, when Roissy took PUA ideas and combined it with what Michele Houellebecq was saying in his novels. That spurred a huge amount of ideological innovation, and then the splinterings happened withinin two years. The PUA, MGTOW, and Men's Rights branches constantly attacked each other. There was a rightful backlash to the over commercializtion of PUA (I'm thinking RSD and $3,000 bootcamps), giving rise to more holistic "red pill" communities, particularly on Return Of Kings and Reddit, but that is fading now as ROK is closed and /r/TheRedPill was quarantined. A lot of eyeballs were also diverted to the Alt Right, but even that sphere is struggling after the disaster of Charlottesville. Now incels are growing fastest in number due to structural changes in the culture and a rise in autism. There is definitely a black pill element to the existing masculine spheres because of how bad things are getting, and how hard game is for men who are average or below average in value. The good news is that red pill and PUA ideas are essentially baked into the masculine side of the culture.
As for myself, I have no strong manosphere allies or ideological adherence. I write what interests me most without worrying about the overall direction of the culture. 21 Convention is carrying the "manosphere" label for mostly commercial ends, but they are allowing some good thinkers (e.g. Donovan Sharpe) to produce content for a living. Time will see if they last. Now I'm just going it alone with my followers. Turns out we don't really need anyone else to share our ideas or connect with each other, and I'm fine having a more "local" effect than trying to change the world.
As technology and intrusive politics continues to rot away at every major social institution... something like RFV could replace the old organizations like the Masons.
 
I don't what more people expect red pill guys like Roosh to do. They've given us all the knowledge we need to become authentic, masculine, strong men.

Ultimately, you have to put it into action and become a powerful man yourself.

If enough men can actually take those steps, then maybe mainstream culture can change.

Fact remains though that 80% of western men are absolute wimps who are happy with the comforts given to them.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
Maybe the next stage for the manosphere , alt right , etc is to simply go out into their immediate community and help it.

Seriously, just volunteer your time. Not to get laid, network, or get something but to just get a small amount of pleasure knowing you did something to add a minute amount of joy in some person's life out there.

There are communities like Rotary, Kiwanis, Lions, Elks, Boys and Girls clubs, soup kitchens, hell even the damn Masons who are filled with old school conservatives. They're dying and falling apart because too many so called young conservatives would rather rage online about cultural crap that's just a distraction. They need people like us to take the mantle from them and lead the next generation of conservative community action.

Just don't go full "end women's suffrage", Instagram models are all Dubai Porta potties, Muslim problems, etc. Just be there to lift up your local community whether it's some big blue city , fly over BFE ,Poland, the former USSR, Thailand, who cares.

Just be a man who helps his community, sets some fucking roots, and gives back. You might be surprised what such actions can lead to.

Edit: it's funny how a troll gave us the opportunity to take stock of our community and its direction. Fuck you billionaire (but thank you).
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Paracelsus said:
The Beast1 said:
Those groups still exist and are in desparate need of people to help run them. Yes, I get it church is pozzed and filled with feminism. Ok, then why don't you go volunteer at a soup kitchen, tutor a boy at a Boys and Girls club, work out, or do something that gets you off the damn computer and talking to people even if you don't like them.

That's really the best advice you can give an incel. You won't find happiness on a computer.
It's also good advice for the Right in general, at least on my perception.

The Left is stronger on ground game. Simple as that. The book How to Resist spells out their approach: they put together coalitions of degenerates and weak religious groups to fight their battles for them, and they wait for authorities or the Right to overreact to their PR stunts. Even if lesbians hate trannies and gays are amused with both, when it comes to forcing governments, councils, authorities into getting what they want, they stand together without exception until they've ground the enemy into the dirt. You only see the degenerates fighting each other once they know the opposition has been finished off, because at that point they don't have to take the appearance of a united front.

The Right loves to fucking fight amongst itself while it's fighting the enemy.
"The left eats it's own" was an old meme but at this point, I think the right is way worse with enforcing purity tests. Not only am I including the dissident right with this, I think they are way worse than so called cuckservatives with this sort of behavior.

You see it right on this forum. Anyone who gets placed within the spectrum of the dissident right but doesn't strictly adhere to the black pill form of it gets branded as controlled opposition, a sell-out, a purple-piller, etc. If Trump doesn't march the military down to the border and have them start mowing them people running across the border, then he's been compromised and is of no use. This sort of attitude isn't being espoused by low-rep low-post members but by some of the most prominent and loudest voices on here.

Never mind that a lot of these so called sell outs, alt-lite, civnats or whatever insulting term gets thrown at them has done more to better the condition of men in the US then the black pillers trying to maintain these purity tests. There's been good posts in this thread including the one I'm partially quoting above the importance of hitting the streets and working to improve your local communities. I agree with this. What is noticeable is how some of the biggest black pill posters are ones that never meet with anyone and don't participate in this community outside of inflaming people with posts. So not only do they appear not to participate in their local communities (I'm guessing you can't be spending too much time helping mentor kids at your local boys club if you have time to write an mini-essay on how every microevent is a sign of the coming collapse of the US) but they can't even bother to participate in a community of men that share similar ideas with them.

What results from this is there's no effective coalition of right-leaning people to combat the coalition of leftist freaks. There was such a coalition before Trump got elected but it's fallen apart after he triumphed. What you get instead is a small club of people who are almost entirely online based and can't exert influence beyond writing Youtube comment or forum posts about how this person has been compromised or this organization has been infiltrated and is now just a front for the Feds.
 

kazz

Kingfisher
Roosh forum is what it always was and always will be, it is an Old School Barber shop, a Country Pub where men come to talk with other men. It can be as superficial or as deep as you want it to be.

Due to the nature of the internet, the average members IQ and desire for a deeper understanding of things than your average boring sheep. Sometime maybe we go so far as to examine things to the degree of splitting hairs. But the simple premise is still the same, its a mans place, a locker room. Its every mens magazine rolled into one, it old school GQ, Maxxim, Playboy, Penthouse, Money, Mens Health, Finance and Life.

All the stuff we talk about is just that, talk; Alpha, Beta, Soy Boys, Manosphere, PUA, Online Hamsters, The Female Wall and Would You Hit It.

What it really is about is us trying to make sense of this world in the crazy times we live in. And we do a fucking good job of it.

Its feel good male hamster food, trash and gossip, its words of wisdom, inspiration and support. Then, every now and again its a light bulb moment for a few of us or for all of us, an idea that will change our life for the better forever.
 

icrus

Robin
Manosphere starting becoming weird when everyone started becoming super political.

Believe it or not but there are still guys out there who just care about getting laid and getting paid. I don't give a fuck who's president and neither about "saving" anyone. Call me shallow, I don't care.
 

roberto

Pelican
Gold Member
All I have to say is this- this forum changed my fucking life. I'm now dating a sweet, loving 22YO blonde solid 8 (rated my my buddies, not me) from a great family, and in the last three months my buisiness has made £8k profit each month. I've had multiple £1000+ profit days in the last four months. It feels that it's finally all coming together for me aged 30, and I'm a shadow of the man I once was. Honestly, this last month it's just felt like the money has been pouring in.

My diet has improved immensely over four years and become a lifestyle, and my physique with it. I need to push myself harder on the gym front, but I'm currently prioritising making money and ensuring I don't slide back to the skinny fat clean shaven boy I once was by eating right 90% of the time and growing a sweet beard (shoutout to Cr33pin)

I personally like the direction the forum has gone in with regards to fighting the decline- I was never much of a 'player'. Had a few 'four woman weeks' when I was hurting from breakups but it never made me happy. That said, I think the overriding message should 'be to be the change you want to see', rather than endless political naval gazing.

I'm not sure I like so much the drop in posts focusing upon self improvement. I don't mean so much personal logs, I mean random threads upon life hacks to help you achieve your goals and be healthy. I've picked up so many tips on here that have become part of my life, from baking soda to zinc, yet I can't remember when I last saw a thread like that on the recent posts.

Anyhow, sincere thanks to Roosh and you guys. I'm killing it.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
icrus said:
Manosphere starting becoming weird when everyone started becoming super political.

Believe it or not but there are still guys out there who just care about getting laid and getting paid. I don't give a fuck who's president and neither about "saving" anyone. Call me shallow, I don't care.
What is politics?

Seriously. This is a question that's been occupying my mind lately.

I completely agree with your assessment; politics is weird. We all saw the failure of the MRAs to accomplish anything, and yet by jumping onto the Trump Train we became the same thing. Is it that politics is an endless battle with no clear victories? Constant rhetoric, enemies from all sides, and instead of victory we get compromises? Something about it seems very toxic. I've lost long-time friends because of politics, and not because they were Democrats - because they were MAGA people who held a grudge against other, specific MAGA people (Roosh Derangement Syndrome is a thing; I didn't ditch them out of loyalty, but because their obsessive hatred was insane).

What we in the manosphere want is nigh impossible already; and yet by getting political, we narrowed the definition of what we wanted, into something as farcically fantastical as the coop/communist dream.

Politics is clearly not about politics. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it makes people - even your own allies - turn toxic.
 
Funny that this thread should present itself.

I’ve become a bit disillusioned with the endless Jew blaming and what appears to be a few big names in the forum dropping offline. I was going down the road of considering quitting entirely like global man just did.

That said, this place is such a treasure trove of information on how to get on, current real news without a mainstream spin that it would be tough to give up.

Like Roberto, things are going well for me right now, I seriously worry about some mega hack of this forum and that we will all be exposed like LDN predicts and my main concern is how current success will be compromised by this eventual outing.

This thread and the comments in it give me hope. I think I need to réalisé like some poster mentioned above, just look after your own back yard, politicians always let you down and you can’t do a damn thing about changing stuff like that, all you can do is look after number one and your own community.

I’ve met some good men through this forum (no homo) you’re a magnificent bunch. Keep at it.
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
icrus said:
Manosphere starting becoming weird when everyone started becoming super political.

Believe it or not but there are still guys out there who just care about getting laid and getting paid. I don't give a fuck who's president and neither about "saving" anyone. Call me shallow, I don't care.
I've being reading a lot of Blackdragon blog recently, an amazing middle ground, old posts related to internal vs external solutions, he's got some hard words that every budding (young) political person need hear, basically to not throw their life away on it. There are a few nationalist streamers I used to admire and be fired by their passion and occasionally they admit its all pointless by being extremely logical and then for a second it looks they had an epihany, a light behind the eyes and you can literally see it if you watch closely, but will deny they had it and push it away. A literal "its done, stick a fork in it moment."

So why do they continue, they already answered their question, but its an answer they don't like, so they'll keep at it, hoping the answer changes, Fear, they are fearful to pull out now because of the sunk cost, and it has become an identity, they could radically change up their lives, upturn everything for something new, but they won't.

They will even say get married, save it, find a good woman, ok so why didn't they? I remember in one stream, one of the men was remarking on a sex trafficking illegal migrant scandal and he chastised the young men listening, that they should be ashamed if they ever did that exploiting women , these were late 20's men, all I could think was "I guarantee those men that paid a girl lived a better hour than the hour I've spent listening to you guys", it irked me something fierce. Sacrifice your life for something that's broke and on the way out, I'm sure you guys will call and around and congratulate me, it will mean a lot. Fuck sake.

Honestly perhaps a hooker is what a few of these men need, might rest the vexed wrinkles between their eyes.

I'm beginning to think a few years down the road these men are going to be in severe depression and regret, they tell everyone but falling birthrates but they'd hardly be able to do streams if they had 4 kids each! I don't see them getting at that, they would have to pony up their money, the furrows in between their eyebrows are getting deeper every stream, I was watching one and I just thought "You know what I'm sick of this shit, I'm out, maybe the West was going to be saved it or most importantly wanted to be saved, it would have already happened", You and your measly 400 people (likely a great deal of them are teenagers with appalling grammar and spelling in a live chat) aren't going to do this.

The battle was over before many of us were even born, the dye was cast in every way that matters.

I'v gotten to the point where I use this forum to like posts to form an archive, post a little, a few tangential indifferent jokes and browse the lifestyle and game sections, but I can't stomach the migrant invasion like threads, as a youngish man there is a thing as too much philosophy and abyss diving/gnashing of teeth that wears the soul for no benefit. I don't how my health could improve only decline listening to this. I was a whimsical/flippant happy teenager and man, but I never felt nihilistic until I knew about this. And I was far more successful not knowing in truth. Everyone is telling you to care, but who will care for you?

Perhaps that why I like how whimsical Jay Dyer can be about it, he's just laughing at it with a bunch of pals, instead of some utterly futile attempt organising THE GREAT RESISTANCE AGAINST THE GLOBALISTS TM, THIS TIME IT WILL WORK LIKE LAST TIME WE PROMISED, WE'RE NOT RACISTS LOOK HOW MANY JEWISH FRIENDS I HAVE

http://blackdragonblog.com/2015/04/09/a-love-letter-to-conservatives/

http://blackdragonblog.com/2018/11/05/clinging-to-your-societal-programming/

Thinking that Donald Trump will singlehandedly time-warp all of America back to the 1950s when everything was perfect, build a wall, kick out all those God Damn Immigrants™, totally reform government and the news media, and beat the shit out of those SJWs so you can jump up and down with some orgasmic glee…

Yeah, it’s a really nice thought (again, for some people, not for me).

Thinking that, if you just do what your mom/dad/best friend told you to do, that if you just go to college, major in STEM, get a Good Job™, then everything will be perfectly fine because you’re a good guy and you mean well and you’re a hard worker and you want to make your parents proud…

Yeah man, these bullshit thoughts are very compelling. I don’t have any of these thoughts, since I cleaned out my SP about 15 years ago, but I fully understand how peaceful, alluring, comforting, and pleasant these bullshit thoughts could be.

If you’re experiencing these thoughts and some big asshole like me comes along and shows you via actual facts and studies that long-term monogamy doesn’t work, that college is a waste of your time, that no politician will be able to save the West, or that getting a job will just end up bankrupting you in the long-term, you’re going to get upset with me even if on some level you know or suspect the thoughts you’re defending probably aren’t true.

It’s hard to believe in the truth. It’s hard to admit that 2+2=4. Objectivity and rationality are hard. That’s why these things are so rare with human beings.
http://blackdragonblog.com/2016/02/29/the-deal-with-the-manosphere/

https://blackdragonblog.com/2017/08/07/internal-vs-external-solutions-part-2/

Excerpt from last link:

When You’ve Already Reached A Fundamental Success Baseline

As I talk about in my book, a man requires two fundamental areas for long-term happiness regardless of his age, scenario, personality, or interests. That is, money and sex. For a man, these two things provide a basis for all other success in all other areas of life (like family, children, spirituality, etc). Unless you are a very bizarre exception to the rule, lack of either money or sex for prolonged periods will cause you unhappiness regardless of anything else positive occurring in your life.

However, if you reach a baseline of success in your life where your long-term happiness is more or less assured because you’ve already built that money/sex foundation, then, at that point, it’s probably okay to pursue external solutions if you still want to.

Based on the fundamental baselines of masculine happiness that I talk about in my book, this means that you have accomplished these things:

1. You make $75,000 a year in income or more, via your own business (having a job doesn’t count). Convert to your own currency equivalents if you live outside of the US.

2. You have zero or very little debt.

3. You get laid literally whenever you want with women you consider attractive (having sex with ugly or average girls doesn’t count), and can quickly add new, attractive women to your sex life within 30 days whenever you want, and without having to pay for it. (That last part is only if you’re under the age of about 50. If you’re over age 50, paying for sex is probably okay as long as you can afford it.)

4. You’re in at least decently average physical shape. You don’t have to be ripped or anything; you can even be a little overweight as long as you’re overall healthy, particularly for your age. I mean that you have no major health problems and you’re not a fatass.

If you’ve accomplished all four of those things, then if you still want to spend time in external solutions, it’s probably fine. You’ve established a baseline of masculine happiness financially, sexually, and physically, and may be perfectly happy with where you are for the long-term. At that point, if you really want to spend your time trying to save the world, save Western Civilization, save your country, save your race, or whatever other external solution turns you on, then I guess go ahead.

The problem is that the world, and the internet, is jam-packed full of men on both the left and the right who spend hours upon hours farting around with external solutions who make no where near $75,000 a year and/or who barely know how to get laid unless it’s an average / ugly girlfriend or hooker.

NO!!!
Dude. If this is you, you need to slap yourself in the face and wake yourself up from your political trance. You are sucking the happiness out of your life and you’re likely never going to achieve any level of personal success if you’re wasting your time farting around with politics when you don’t make enough money for basic happiness and/or don’t have decent dating skills so you can get the sex you need.


Stop fucking around with external solutions and:

Start your own business.
Get your income up.
Pay off your debt.
Get good with women, or at least to an intermediate level of skill with pickup, dating, and relationships.
If you have any serious health problems, get them handled (drug addiction, being seriously overweight, sleeping too much or to little, etc).
Once you get those things done, and yes, it might take a few years if you’re starting all of these areas from ground zero, then feel free to spend time on external solutions if you find meaning in that kind of thing.

You May Not Care As Much As You Think You Do

One parting thought about this. Some of your hardcore political types may find this hard to believe, but once you actually get your life to a place where you’re making plenty of money, getting plenty of sex (from attractive women), have your business and finances pretty much the way you want them, you may find that you don’t quite care nearly as much about the world’s problems as you did back when these things were problematic for you. (And even if you do, you’ll think about them very differently, taking perhaps a “Bill Gates directly eliminate polio” internal/independent approach rather than a “Bernie Sanders make government force someone else pay for my stuff” external/collectivist approach.)

It’s easy to scream for free college when you’re so goddamn poor you can’t even afford to move out of your parent’s house. It’s easy to bitch about Hispanic or Muslim immigrants taking your job when you rely on a dehumanizing corporate job just to pay your friggin’ bills. But, once you’re a self-sufficient guy with the parameters I listed above, and you’ve detached from most of that bullshit system, most or all of these problems go away. That means your concern about them lessens.

I’ve seen it happen, both to me and men I’ve known throughout my life. I was very politically active during the 1990’s, just as angry as many of you about the state of the world/society/nation/culture, back when I was making a fraction of what I make today and when I was barely ever getting laid. Today, since I live the Alpha Male 2.0 lifestyle of high, location independent income from my own businesses that I enjoy, while getting all the attractive sex I want via nonmonogamous relationships, not only do I not care about this stuff anymore, but I actually find it quite hilarious, like watching a comedy movie. My focus has shifted to internal solutions, plus helping the top 10% of men (as opposed to the world or my nation/culture) who actually want to help in their lives, as I described here.

It’s a good place to be. I highly recommend it.
To finish:

"A guy who's always interested in the condition of the world, and changing it, either has no problems of his own, or refuses to face them... not wanting to face things of his own nature."

-Henry Miller 1981
 

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Kingfisher
The Beast1 said:
Maybe the next stage for the manosphere , alt right , etc is to simply go out into their immediate community and help it.
Seriously, just volunteer your time. Not to get laid, network, or get something but to just get a small amount of pleasure knowing you did something to add a minute amount of joy in some person's life out there.
There are communities like Rotary, Kiwanis, Lions, Elks, Boys and Girls clubs, soup kitchens, hell even the damn Masons who are filled with old school conservatives.

Edit: it's funny how a troll gave us the opportunity to take stock of our community and its direction. Fuck you billionaire (but thank you).
I don't really see RVF members getting together and running soup kitchens for the homeless. I suppose if suddenly we had a epidemic of homeless fashion models?

However... Imagine that RVF members ban together and create some kind of society that fits our life goals. Like a membership that owns decent condo rentals around the world where members can come together and share in adventures. I'm sure it would be expensive as hell to start, but it would probably be cool as hell, and most of us are already paying for stuff like that now.

Also... I'd like to see a section of this site dedicated to entrepreneurship. Right now that's stuffed into the Life section and kind of gets lost in the shuffle. I honestly think we could be helping each other do things like create tech businesses, and generate venture capital. RooshV Incubator.... LOL

kazz said:
Roosh forum is what it always was and always will be, it is an Old School Barber shop, a Country Pub where men come to talk with other men. It can be as superficial or as deep as you want it to be.
All the stuff we talk about is just that, talk; Alpha, Beta, Soy Boys, Manosphere, PUA, Online Hamsters, The Female Wall and Would You Hit It.
What it really is about is us trying to make sense of this world in the crazy times we live in. And we do a fucking good job of it.
Its feel good male hamster food, trash and gossip, its words of wisdom, inspiration and support. Then, every now and again its a light bulb moment for a few of us or for all of us, an idea that will change our life for the better forever.
I agree. That's really what this site is... shit your father should have told you about the world but didn't... because he either wasn't around or didn't know himself.

Aurini said:
What is politics?
Seriously. This is a question that's been occupying my mind lately.
I completely agree with your assessment; politics is weird. We all saw the failure of the MRAs to accomplish anything, and yet by jumping onto the Trump Train we became the same thing. Is it that politics is an endless battle with no clear victories? Constant rhetoric, enemies from all sides, and instead of victory we get compromises? Something about it seems very toxic. I've lost long-time friends because of politics, and not because they were Democrats - because they were MAGA people who held a grudge against other, specific MAGA people (Roosh Derangement Syndrome is a thing; I didn't ditch them out of loyalty, but because their obsessive hatred was insane).
What we in the manosphere want is nigh impossible already; and yet by getting political, we narrowed the definition of what we wanted, into something as farcically fantastical as the coop/communist dream.
Politics is clearly not about politics. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it makes people - even your own allies - turn toxic.
Politics is power.

I worked in campaigns for years. What voters think doesn't fucking matter... nobody cares. Trump doesn't care, Clinton doesn't care, Obama didn't care... none of these politicians care at all what most people think. The reason is that the average voter is stupid and easily manipulated. If your black... we all know how you are going to vote... we all know you don't have a mind of your own. Most of the voting populace is like this.

So, politicians can focus on fulfilling the wishes of their donor base. What makes the Left so scary and effective is that they have found ways to fund themselves through tax dollars. They literally tax the whole country to pay for advocating their cookoo ideas. This is why no matter how well Republicans seem to do, everything still marches Leftward. You can't fight that kind of funding source. There is no rich person on planet earth that can compete with the $4 trillion of the federal government.

So, here is the thing. Stop investing in people. Trump will never do shit for you.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
Aurini said:
icrus said:
Manosphere starting becoming weird when everyone started becoming super political.

Believe it or not but there are still guys out there who just care about getting laid and getting paid. I don't give a fuck who's president and neither about "saving" anyone. Call me shallow, I don't care.
What is politics?

Seriously. This is a question that's been occupying my mind lately.

I completely agree with your assessment; politics is weird. We all saw the failure of the MRAs to accomplish anything, and yet by jumping onto the Trump Train we became the same thing. Is it that politics is an endless battle with no clear victories? Constant rhetoric, enemies from all sides, and instead of victory we get compromises? Something about it seems very toxic. I've lost long-time friends because of politics, and not because they were Democrats - because they were MAGA people who held a grudge against other, specific MAGA people (Roosh Derangement Syndrome is a thing; I didn't ditch them out of loyalty, but because their obsessive hatred was insane).

What we in the manosphere want is nigh impossible already; and yet by getting political, we narrowed the definition of what we wanted, into something as farcically fantastical as the coop/communist dream.

Politics is clearly not about politics. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it makes people - even your own allies - turn toxic.
Politics is applied philosophy, and the lesson is clear.

Keep it in the academy.
 

Kurgan

Kingfisher
Paracelsus said:
The Beast1 said:
Those groups still exist and are in desparate need of people to help run them. Yes, I get it church is pozzed and filled with feminism. Ok, then why don't you go volunteer at a soup kitchen, tutor a boy at a Boys and Girls club, work out, or do something that gets you off the damn computer and talking to people even if you don't like them.

That's really the best advice you can give an incel. You won't find happiness on a computer.
It's also good advice for the Right in general, at least on my perception.

The Left is stronger on ground game. Simple as that. The book How to Resist spells out their approach: they put together coalitions of degenerates and weak religious groups to fight their battles for them, and they wait for authorities or the Right to overreact to their PR stunts. Even if lesbians hate trannies and gays are amused with both, when it comes to forcing governments, councils, authorities into getting what they want, they stand together without exception until they've ground the enemy into the dirt. You only see the degenerates fighting each other once they know the opposition has been finished off, because at that point they don't have to take the appearance of a united front.

The Right loves to fucking fight amongst itself while it's fighting the enemy. One strike against it. It distracts them from having to get down into communities and really address populist issues. Let's be real, populism means the concerns of ordinary people. When's the last time you saw a right wing group actually get its ass together with a group of concerned mothers to throw the drug dealers out of a local park? No, as a group they'd rather try to win on the institutional level: get Kavanaugh appointed, get another one appointed when Ginsburg finally falls off the perch. Let's be real, you really believe "Boy, we got two old white conservative judges!" is going to comfort you at night down in the suburbs when a paedophile moves into your neighbourhood and starts propositioning the local 13 year olds and you can't do shit about it because he's Muslim?

It's also why I laugh when I hear that "Oh, Trump's got the Cuban vote! Oh, Trump's got the Venezuelan refugee vote!" Bitch, Trump is not coming down to the neighbourhood to stop Miguel selling crack there, and your local Republican rep wouldn't be seen dead in there either. They like Trump because he let them into the country or doesn't stop them doing what they're doing, it doesn't mean they give a fuck for Republicans or their stances. But you know who would be seen down the hood? Someone like AOC. Which doesn't make her a saint or anything other than watermelon communist, it means she actually went into the fucking ghetto and spoke Spanish to motherfuckers down there. That's what the Right has to do. It has to build coalitions, and do it better than the Left does. It has to stop branding itself as the last redoubt for white men, because it's not and it never will be. At best it's the last redoubt for (((certain ethnicities))), or at least it seems so given what they do. And the Right will only start building coalitions once it figures out how to start walking around the neighbourhood and getting to know the other ethnic assholes living there, once it has the courage to ask said ethnic assholes, "Yo, Jiang, they're planning on importing a hundred thousand dumb Cambodians to your suburb, do you want to help doing something about it?" When it gets down into the suburbs having coffees and cookies with Miguel and Jiang and Obie and the subject turns to how the local fucking government is cutting down all the trees in the local park. When it starts leading those groups. When it starts the act of real ground game: the sort of ground game that doesn't work from basements or from pontificating on reddit or brutal individualism.

Here's one thing to consider: Conservatives from other countries have been doing that like Canada and the UK because they were losing elections for at least a decade. They were forced to change and reached out to ethnic groups. They didn't have massive cleansings of different opinions like what was going on in the GOP for 50 years.

American Conservatives and right-wing purists have been purging out anyone to the slight left of them. It was going on in the Republican Party since the 90's since some conservatives were butthurt about George H.W. Bush. Say what you will about moderates and how much you hate them, but they were the "brains" of the GOP and RINO hunting hurt it. Purists had their ideological purity for a price.

American Conservatives are also damn stubborn because they think that outreach constitutes becoming a Democrat or some stupid bullshit or sacrificing your children or a Republican in an ethnic neighborhood is some closet Bolshevik giving trannies blowjobs.

They automatically think specific groups are morons when it comes to voting, but they don't EVEN TRY to fucking show up and ask. They refuse to get out of their comfort zone with demographics and whine why they're outnumbered in terms of voters and they'll never win and sound just like the enemy.

Guess what? There are some people in those groups that will fall for identity politics and there's nothing than can be done about it. But at least try to connect to the types of people within that group who would be open to voting for the other side.

It's like they'd rather lose constantly than bring in new voters who don't fit their definition of a conservative because "muh ideological purity"

At least Democrats show up despite how they take ethnic and minority votes for granted and they have policies that hurt more than help them.

There is no such thing as a "true conservative", just a term made up by purists who refuse to see it's not 1980 anymore.

Ski pro, I too am sick of the autistic rants of blaming Jews for everything. Seriously, not every problem is the result of some Jewish cabal doing nasty things.

But I think it's time for us to get off the Internet and make a difference in our communities.

I still like this forum because I cannot talk to my fellow men I hang out with about this, they're blue-pilled NPC's who think Trump is the reincarnation of Palpatine. I cannot go on any other forum and get banned by people who hate me and want me dead just because I disagreed with them. There is no other place for me to go and this forum is a refuge.

I never had much of a masculine influence because I lost my dad at a young age and my uncles didn't help out much.
 

Gmac

Peacock
Gold Member
EndsExpect said:
The Beast1 said:
Maybe the next stage for the manosphere , alt right , etc is to simply go out into their immediate community and help it.
Seriously, just volunteer your time. Not to get laid, network, or get something but to just get a small amount of pleasure knowing you did something to add a minute amount of joy in some person's life out there.
There are communities like Rotary, Kiwanis, Lions, Elks, Boys and Girls clubs, soup kitchens, hell even the damn Masons who are filled with old school conservatives.

Edit: it's funny how a troll gave us the opportunity to take stock of our community and its direction. Fuck you billionaire (but thank you).
I don't really see RVF members getting together and running soup kitchens for the homeless. I suppose if suddenly we had a epidemic of homeless fashion models?

However... Imagine that RVF members ban together and create some kind of society that fits our life goals. Like a membership that owns decent condo rentals around the world where members can come together and share in adventures. I'm sure it would be expensive as hell to start, but it would probably be cool as hell, and most of us are already paying for stuff like that now.

Also... I'd like to see a section of this site dedicated to entrepreneurship. Right now that's stuffed into the Life section and kind of gets lost in the shuffle. I honestly think we could be helping each other do things like create tech businesses, and generate venture capital. RooshV Incubator.... LOL

kazz said:
Roosh forum is what it always was and always will be, it is an Old School Barber shop, a Country Pub where men come to talk with other men. It can be as superficial or as deep as you want it to be.
All the stuff we talk about is just that, talk; Alpha, Beta, Soy Boys, Manosphere, PUA, Online Hamsters, The Female Wall and Would You Hit It.
What it really is about is us trying to make sense of this world in the crazy times we live in. And we do a fucking good job of it.
Its feel good male hamster food, trash and gossip, its words of wisdom, inspiration and support. Then, every now and again its a light bulb moment for a few of us or for all of us, an idea that will change our life for the better forever.
I agree. That's really what this site is... shit your father should have told you about the world but didn't... because he either wasn't around or didn't know himself.

Aurini said:
What is politics?
Seriously. This is a question that's been occupying my mind lately.
I completely agree with your assessment; politics is weird. We all saw the failure of the MRAs to accomplish anything, and yet by jumping onto the Trump Train we became the same thing. Is it that politics is an endless battle with no clear victories? Constant rhetoric, enemies from all sides, and instead of victory we get compromises? Something about it seems very toxic. I've lost long-time friends because of politics, and not because they were Democrats - because they were MAGA people who held a grudge against other, specific MAGA people (Roosh Derangement Syndrome is a thing; I didn't ditch them out of loyalty, but because their obsessive hatred was insane).
What we in the manosphere want is nigh impossible already; and yet by getting political, we narrowed the definition of what we wanted, into something as farcically fantastical as the coop/communist dream.
Politics is clearly not about politics. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it makes people - even your own allies - turn toxic.
Politics is power.

I worked in campaigns for years. What voters think doesn't fucking matter... nobody cares. Trump doesn't care, Clinton doesn't care, Obama didn't care... none of these politicians care at all what most people think. The reason is that the average voter is stupid and easily manipulated. If your black... we all know how you are going to vote... we all know you don't have a mind of your own. Most of the voting populace is like this.

So, politicians can focus on fulfilling the wishes of their donor base. What makes the Left so scary and effective is that they have found ways to fund themselves through tax dollars. They literally tax the whole country to pay for advocating their cookoo ideas. This is why no matter how well Republicans seem to do, everything still marches Leftward. You can't fight that kind of funding source. There is no rich person on planet earth that can compete with the $4 trillion of the federal government.

So, here is the thing. Stop investing in people. Trump will never do shit for you.
This isn't about banding together, it's about influencing our immediate environments individually.

I volunteer my time at an animal shelter in town. I give blood a few times a year. I've taken on a mentor role for young adults. I go out of my way to do nice things for others.

If you have been on this forum for a number of years and haven't learned to understand yourself or improved your own life, you've failed yourself in becoming a man.

If you've become a man and you aren't not working actively to help improve the lives of others in your community somehow, you've failed your community and country as a man.

Step it up gents, this ain't no barber shop. And yes, Trump is having a massive positive impact. Take off the blinders.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
My opinion is that we are in a period of transition and confusion. No leader has emerged yet. I was raised by the World War II generation, so have seen how fluid reality is where old myths die and are replaced by new ones. Because real information is not easy to obtain, a lot of men are falling for conspiracy theories, most of which are con men making things up to substitute for real knowledge. I have recently been watching the first series of HBO's Rome on Amazon Prime. I believe that the portrayal of a young Octavian (the future Caesar Augustus) is excellent and authentic. It shows a young man who is politically red pill in a dangerous chaotic society, can't be fooled by anyone, studies and writes poetry, but is willing to cut off someone's ear that lies to him. I think Octavian is a good model for the future conservative man. Trump is a flamboyant Julius Caesar and target for everyone's knife. Be Octavian. Be cunning, smart, and ruthless.
 
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