Is smoking a sin?

Penitent

Woodpecker
Orthodox
What is your attitude towards smoking tobacco? What does the Church have to say about tobacco use? Obviously tobacco has the potential to cause illness, but there are also benefits to it's use such as cognitive enhancement, relaxation and enjoyment. It is even said (anecdotally) that people who smoke a pipe live longer.

(Tobacco use has been discussed to some degree in the following thread but I wanted a thread to explore the moral aspect of the issue: https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads...w-much-she-smoked-in-her-teens-and-20s.38607/)
 
I don't think it's a sin necessary but it is a vice so it should be avoided. I smoked for 10 or so years and it was very hard to quit. I still want one sometimes 15 years later but finally can resist every time. Previously after "quiting" I might have had one or two once a year just by chance. Now I avoid it. Addiction is sinful, imho.
 

Rogue Statistician

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
What is your attitude towards smoking tobacco? What does the Church have to say about tobacco use? Obviously tobacco has the potential to cause illness, but there are also benefits to it's use such as cognitive enhancement, relaxation and enjoyment. It is even said (anecdotally) that people who smoke a pipe live longer.
TLDR; No, but still consult a Priest.

Greece has been growing tobacco since at least the 17th century, and the consumption of tobacco products goes back even further into the pre-ottoman period of the Byzantine Empire via trade originating from Anatolia, or the Hindu Kush.

To my knowledge the Eastern Church has never attempted a canonical prohibition. I know the Greek Orthodox Church does not allow any clergy to consume tobacco on the basis that it dirties the Temple of the Holy Spirit (the body), and urges parish members to act with this in mind, which I assume is a fairly standard practice throughout the Orthodox hierarchy.

The whole pollution angle irks me. Especially with the abundant use of incense, which is vastly more pollutant laden than tobacco smoke.....LINK.....LINK2

Additionally, smoking seems to increase T-levels.....LINK

Consult a Priest
 
Just an opinion, but it might not necessarily be one (ex-smoker who has had more than a few relapses, full disclosure), it could be. In New Zealand smoking is the preserve of the very rich because of a government policy of taxing it - a packet of 20 cigarettes cost $35. I know, ridiculous, full bore nanny state in this country. So for the average person smoking a lot would seriously impact family finances. But having the odd puff with a beer after dinner or something, well lets just say there seems to be worse things in the world. But again, what would I know. Ask your priest LOL
 

bucky

Ostrich
Just an opinion, but it might not necessarily be one (ex-smoker who has had more than a few relapses, full disclosure), it could be. In New Zealand smoking is the preserve of the very rich because of a government policy of taxing it - a packet of 20 cigarettes cost $35. I know, ridiculous, full bore nanny state in this country. So for the average person smoking a lot would seriously impact family finances. But having the odd puff with a beer after dinner or something, well lets just say there seems to be worse things in the world. But again, what would I know. Ask your priest LOL
That's crazy. I've never smoked but I hear how people say it's expensive in the US and Europe. Still, even adjusting for NZ dollars, which I think is what you were using with the price you quoted, I believe that's something like 3x more expensive.

What's the black market like there? Harder to get illegal cigarettes into an island country, of course, but I imagine there's huge amounts of money to be made, and at much less risk than importing serious narcotics like cocaine or heroin. I saw a documentary once about Ukrainian smugglers who make a killing bringing cigarettes into Germany. I guess there's virtually no tax on them in Ukraine, so the profit margin is huge if you can get a few cases into EU nanny-states and if you get caught, the sentences are vastly less harsh than for hard drugs.
 
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That's crazy. I've never smoked but I hear how people say it's expensive in the US and Europe. Still, even adjusting for NZ dollars, which I think is what you meant with the price you quoted, I believe that's something like 3x more expensive.

What's the black market like there? Harder to get illegal cigarettes into an island country, of course, but I imagine there's huge amounts of money to be made, and at much less risk than importing serious narcotics like cocaine or heroin. I saw a documentary once about Ukrainian smugglers who make a killing bringing cigarettes into Germany. I guess there's virtually no tax on them in Ukraine, so the profit margin is huge if you can get a few cases into EU nanny-states and if you get caught, the sentences are vastly times less harsh than for hard drugs.
Oh yeah, its nuts. There is a thriving black market, as you would expect when a government pushes too hard. Just recently a bunch of guys in the town I live got busted smuggling in cigarettes from China for $1 a pack. So you see there is money to be made.
 

Hypno

Crow
Greece has been growing tobacco since at least the 17th century, and the consumption of tobacco products goes back even further into the pre-ottoman period of the Byzantine Empire via trade originating from Anatolia, or the Hindu Kush.



I didn't think tobaccco was known to the West, or even the Byzantines, until after Columbus, but I went to a government school.
 

Rogue Statistician

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
I didn't think tobaccco was known to the West, or even the Byzantines, until after Columbus, but I went to a government school.
You might be correct. I might be conflating tobacco with some of the other plants used in the region.

Record keeping in this time period was not that great, and its quite possible that tobacco came exclusively from the new world and that the trade from the eastern routes was exclusively hemp/hashish or plants like skullcap that were mild psychotropics from china/korea.

Then you have other indigenous plants to the region like mullein that were usually smoked as a medicinal treatment that long predate tobacco.

I put alot of the approved history regarding the early Americas into the same bin as the out of africa claim. Probably lies.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Smoking addiction causes people to have deep feelings of anxiety, feelings of lack of control etc. And that covers virtually all smokers. There are few casual smokers. This comes under sloth. I doubt it is possible to be a smoking addict and not have those feelings. Smoking is also an act of self-harm, which is again sloth.

Up until I was around 13-14 my father was a smoker. Towards the latter end of his career I remember deep feelings of anxiety as his tumbled around the house spluttering and heaving as if he might keel over any moment. I wondered what would happen to us if he keeled over. I imagine most children of smokers will experience something like this.

You then have the aspect of feeding globo-corporations that enjoy making money from subjecting many people to sloth, disease and death.

Simple test for most situations. You are going out and you need a babysitter. You have the option of one of two people. All you know is:

1) is a smoker
2) is a non-smoker

Which do you choose?

The fact that smoking is bad for people’s health has become common knowledge, yet a substantial amount of people still smoke. Previous studies that sought to better understand this phenomenon have found that smoking is associated with the tendency to take risk in other areas of life as well. The current paper explores factors that may underlie this tendency. An experimental analysis shows that smokers are more easily tempted by immediate high rewards compared to nonsmokers. Thus the salience of risky alternatives that produce large rewards most of the time can direct smokers to make bad choices even in an abstract situation such as the Iowa Gambling Task. These findings suggest that the risk taking behavior associated with smoking is not related to the mere pursuit of rewards but rather reflects a tendency to yield to immediate temptation.

- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3699454/
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Smoking addiction causes people to have deep feelings of anxiety, feelings of lack of control etc. And that covers virtually all smokers. There are few casual smokers. This comes under sloth. I doubt it is possible to be a smoking addict and not have those feelings. Smoking is also an act of self-harm, which is again sloth.

Up until I was around 13-14 my father was a smoker. Towards the latter end of his career I remember deep feelings of anxiety as his tumbled around the house spluttering and heaving as if he might keel over any moment. I wondered what would happen to us if he keeled over. I imagine most children of smokers will experience something like this.

You then have the aspect of feeding globo-corporations that enjoy making money from subjecting many people to sloth, disease and death.

Simple test for most situations. You are going out and you need a babysitter. You have the option of one of two people. All you know is:

1) is a smoker
2) is a non-smoker

Which do you choose?



- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3699454/

Yes, I meant to add above that for most nicotine is quite addictive, but for some it is just another thing like drinking. If you exercise I feel that you are more likely to limit smoking for being more aware of your body overall and its health.

As for the temptation part, it is funny the saying "If she smokes, she pokes" was always self evident.
 

Penitent

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Consult a Priest
I have spoken to a priest in the Russian church. The Russian church expressly forbids smoking. I had taken up a pipe briefly but set it aside when I noticed a bit of wheezing during exercise. Luckily I don't have an addictive personality type and it wasn't too difficult to quit.
Ooof I’m actually right in the middle of quitting
Best of luck in this endeavor! I hope I haven't tempted you in any way by brining it up.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
To answer your question, no it is not a sin , however the Church, especially the Eastern Roman orthodox church ( with center in Constantinople) and I suppose all orthodox churches in general, do not advise smoking.

However it is not a sin such as sexual degeneration, adultery, homosexuality, drug consumption, alcohol abuse, stealing , etc.

Nacional Socialist Germany was the 1st country in history to have an anti smoking campaign.

I smoke here and there but never been addicted.

I never compare smoking with alcohol drinking, drugs, gambling, adultery, over excessive lust for hunger and food consumption etc.
TLDR; No, but still consult a Priest.

Greece has been growing tobacco since at least the 17th century, and the consumption of tobacco products goes back even further into the pre-ottoman period of the Byzantine Empire via trade originating from Anatolia, or the Hindu Kush.

To my knowledge the Eastern Church has never attempted a canonical prohibition. I know the Greek Orthodox Church does not allow any clergy to consume tobacco on the basis that it dirties the Temple of the Holy Spirit (the body), and urges parish members to act with this in mind, which I assume is a fairly standard practice throughout the Orthodox hierarchy.

The whole pollution angle irks me. Especially with the abundant use of incense, which is vastly more pollutant laden than tobacco smoke.....LINK.....LINK2

Additionally, smoking seems to increase T-levels.....LINK

Consult a Priest
Please, let's call the " Byzantine " Empire what it's name was, Roman Empire or Eastern Roman Empire.

Now are you talking about the Eastern Orthodox Church ( established officially by the Illyro Roman Emperor Constantine the Great) or the Orthodox Church of Greece established in 1837?

Because I don't know what they do in the Orthodox church of Greece but the clergy in Istanbul by most chances doesnt smoke and is against it.

The same thing with the Orthodox Church of Russia.
 

Penitent

Woodpecker
Orthodox
are you talking about the Eastern Orthodox Church
Yes. Thats why I posted it in the "Orthodox Christianity" section.
I think different national churches (patriarchates) have different attitudes towards smoking. Some might be more permissive than others and allow occasional use.
 
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