Is the United States going to start a war with Iran?

[Vicious]

The argument that if the US has used nukes then it's ok for everyone else to have them, is the kind of logic that I can't wrap my head around. This is not even factoring how different the moral landscape was at the time compared to what it is today. There's plenty of literature available on why the atomic bombs on Japan was at the time perfectly necessary for ending a war that Japan never intended to withdraw from. An invasion of Japan would ultimately have led to far more causalities. Nemesis by Max Hastings is probably the best book on the topic IMO. Read it and you will also learn how Japan to this day is whitewashing its own horrific atrocities in China.

Heck, the Allied firebombings of Dresden and Hannover caused more civilian casualties than the nukes but no one ever picks those as an argument to ban conventional bombs.

 

[speakeasy]

Heck, the Allied firebombings of Dresden and Hannover caused more civilian casualties than the nukes but no one ever picks those as an argument to ban conventional bombs.

^^^ This. And let's not forget that the Japanese were every bit as diabolical as the Germans. As docile as Japanese men are now, they were quite some formidable warriors during WWII. That one small nation holding all of Pacific Asia under its thumb.

 

[Deluge]

Heck, the Allied firebombings of Dresden and Hannover caused more civilian casualties than the nukes but no one ever picks those as an argument to ban conventional bombs.

^^^ This. And let's not forget that the Japanese were every bit as diabolical as the Germans. As docile as Japanese men are now, they were quite some formidable warriors during WWII. That one small nation holding all of Pacific Asia under its thumb.

Google the Rape of Nanking. I visited the Massacre Memorial of it when I stayed in Nanjing (name changed), made me want to puke.

 

[vinman]

http://www.haaretz.com/print-editio...ssarily-existential-threat-to-israel-1.404227

 

[nomadicdude]

It is not about stopping Iran from getting the bomb. It's about regime change. The bomb is just an excuse for regime change, just like WMD in Iraq.

Most Americans haven't learned anything, and would support an attack on Iran.

 

[ColSpanker]

Old Arabic curse:
"May you live to see your sons make war on their grandfather."

 

[Blunt]

It is not about stopping Iran from getting the bomb. It's about regime change. The bomb is just an excuse for regime change, just like WMD in Iraq.

Most Americans haven't learned anything, and would support an attack on Iran.

Again, you've made a rash generalization about Americans being ignorant, without attempting to qualify it or back it up. If all of the Americans that you know are truly just ignorant, then I feel sorry for you.

An attack on Iran and an invasion of Iran are two different things. A regime change would likely require an invasion. I'm not sure which you are referring to.

 

[Luckystar]

Old Arabic curse:
"May you live to see your sons make war on their grandfather."

Ouch.

 

[Brian]

It sure seems like it. I've always been anti-US aggression but I don't know how I'd feel if my country invades my father's homeland where I have many relatives.

Just out of curiosity Roosh, why did your Dad leave Iran?

 

[Luckystar]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

 

[Brian]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

If you like Persian girls you need to check out DC. They are everywhere here.

 

[Luckystar]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

If you like Persian girls you need to check out DC. They are everywhere here.

 

[Brian]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

If you like Persian girls you need to check out DC. They are everywhere here.

There are tons in TO and were tons in LA when I lived there. They are tough to crack, esp for colored dudes. Have only scored three in my life.

Any easier in DC? I have my serious doubts.

I'm not a big fan of them myself, so I couldnt tell you. Roosh or some of the other DC posters may have some knowledge though.

 

[el mechanico]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

If you like Persian girls you need to check out DC. They are everywhere here.

There are tons in TO and were tons in LA when I lived there. They are tough to crack, esp for colored dudes. Have only scored three in my life.

Any easier in DC? I have my serious doubts.

Persian girls are like Greek chicks x100. If you can crack Greek girls your next step will be Persian. The whole sneak-a-fuck and the family rep nonsense is the same just amplified.

 

[Luckystar]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

If you like Persian girls you need to check out DC. They are everywhere here.

There are tons in TO and were tons in LA when I lived there. They are tough to crack, esp for colored dudes. Have only scored three in my life.

Any easier in DC? I have my serious doubts.

Persian girls are like Greek chicks x100. If you can crack Greek girls your next step will be Persian. The whole sneak-a-fuck and the family rep nonsense is the same just amplified.

Sounds about right. Greek girls are definitely much easier to come by.

 

[thegmanifesto]

I have long been very, very attracted to Persian girls.

I don't wish ill on Iran, but I wish Iran was a free and open society where I could take a crack at some of them. I've often heard that the young Persians in Iran are actually quite liberal and that it's the state that imposes the conservative values upon them. Not entirely sure if that's true or not.

Persian girls in NA are some of the hardest core bitches you'll ever find.

If you like Persian girls you need to check out DC. They are everywhere here.

There are tons in TO and were tons in LA when I lived there. They are tough to crack, esp for colored dudes. Have only scored three in my life.

Any easier in DC? I have my serious doubts.

Persian girls are like Greek chicks x100. If you can crack Greek girls your next step will be Persian. The whole sneak-a-fuck and the family rep nonsense is the same just amplified.

Not to be the guy always telling "toppers" or anything, but:

What to know the next step up?

Chaldean Girls.

Low profile, knowledge.

 

[kerouac]

I personally think all this talk about Israel and Iran going to war is all a lot of talk. Iranian politicians point to Israel in their rhetoric, and Israelis do the same, but both know how mutually beneficial they are to each other in that region.

War cries are just to drum up fear and to build national spirit.

In security strategy, it's never a good bet to leave your "enemy" with the feeling of safety. I'd actually wonder what's going on if the U.S. stopped its war-mongering talks with Iran.

If the U.S. goes forth with an attack on the Nuclear sites, I'm sure they're going to follow it up with a strategic effort to bring about regime change at the same time.

What they are gonna have to do (which is what they are most likely doing right now in Iran) is sending in infiltrators to have the organization set up in case anything like this happens. The Iranian government is probably feeling very insecure at the moment domestically. When/If the nuclear site bombings do happen, there has to be an internal struggle happening at the same time. The US is not going to attack when Iran is ready and waiting. What is going to have to happen is some major internal problems that will make the retaliation on countries like Israel, and Oil Fields, as minimal as possible.

 

[Thorfinnsson]

http://stratfor.com/weekly/considering-us-iranian-deal

George Friedman says no. Note how in the article that in many respects the real issue isn't Israel, but the close relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia.

If it DOES happen it will probably happen this year, as the US has a window of opportunity with the delivery of the new 30,000 pound massive ordnance penetrator which can blast through 200 feet of reinforced concrete. The Iranians aren't stupid, so they'll be reinforcing their underground complexes against this.

Despite the current US military buildup in the region, I don't believe we're intending to attack Iran but rather simply ratcheting up pressure to make a negotiated settlement more likely. The exact same reason is likely behind Iranian threats to close the Straits of Hormuz.

We can't rule out an independent Israeli operation, but they really don't have the military capability to do much damage against Iran--short of employing nuclear weapons.

My money is on no war with Iran. But if you're convinced we're going to war, I suggest going long on oil.

 

[Roosh]

Those war drums are beating...

U.S. intelligence agencies believe that Iran is prepared to launch terrorist attacks inside the United States in response to perceived threats from America and its allies, the U.S. spy chief said Tuesday.

Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. said in prepared testimony that an alleged Iranian plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in Washington that was uncovered last year reflects an aggressive new willingness within the upper ranks of the Islamist republic to authorize attacks against the United States.

The plot was laughed at even in Republican circles as being unbelievable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_alleged_Iran_assassination_plot#Claims_of_skepticism), yet the Post quotes it as fact.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...s/2012/01/30/gIQACwGweQ_story.html?tid=pm_pop

Relevant comment:

How many of our nuclear scientists have they assassinated? How many of our missile bases have they blown up? Are they flying drones over our territory? Do they have us surrounded with their armies, navies and air forces, right at our borders and seashores? Are they blockading our oil exports or imports? By god, have they ever become an existential threat to the US!! But why for heavens sake? do they think that we possess weapons of mass destruction and nukes? or is it because our high standards of culture and comfort (with 50% on the poverty line)?. Why are we going around like chicken little, that the world is on fire? Who the hell is setting it on fire?

 

[Samseau]

There will be war with Iran.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ebf39a84-4c1d-11e1-98dd-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1l1Gs5RzJ

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Opec head warns of oil price volatility
By Guy Chazan in London
Abdalla el-Badri, Opec secretary-general, on Tuesday warned of volatile crude prices as the oil market adjusted to Europe’s embargo on Iranian oil imports.
In an interview in London, Mr El Badri said it would take time for European Union countries to find a replacement for the 500,000 barrels a day of oil it normally imported from Iran. “During this period, there will be volatility ... and price swings,” he said.


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But he insisted that markets were well supplied. “There is no shortage of oil anywhere in the world,” he said. The Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries was producing 30.6m barrels a day – 600,000 b/d more than the target it agreed at its last meeting in December, he said.
The price of crude has been relatively stable since last spring. But it jumped $4-$5 a barrel in the new year as the EU prepared its ban on Iranian oil and Tehran threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, a crucial conduit for oil exports from the Gulf. The EU imposed the sanctions last Monday, though delayed its implementation till July 1 to give countries that were heavily dependent on Iranian crude, such as Greece, time to adjust. Iran has since threatened to impose its own immediate ban on exports to Europe.

All you need to know is that once the Strait of Hormuz is closed and gas shoots up another $1.00, it will be very easy to sell the idea of war to the American public.