Is the US a Christian country?

Pete345

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I would argue that no, it is not. The USA was founded by deists and Freemasons, with a smattering of Anabaptists. Granted, America is still very tolerant of Christians, I do not think that will last. As the spirit of Antichrist rises and starts going after those of true Christian faith, the Talmudists and the Globohomo Mafia will become even stronger and more authoritarian.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
I always had in the back of my head that the US was founded by freemasons. I'm glad to see this so much confirmed here. Basically the US then is a product is revolutionary freemasonry. There's absolutely 0 questions in my head anymore about how they became how they became and how they were capable to take the entire West with them, with Jewish infiltration too as well later of course.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
I always had in the back of my head that the US was founded by freemasons. I'm glad to see this so much confirmed here. Basically the US then is a product is revolutionary freemasonry. There's absolutely 0 questions in my head anymore about how they became how they became and how they were capable to take the entire West with them, with Jewish infiltration too as well later of course.

9 of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence (16%) were confirmed freemasons: William Ellery, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Howes, William Hooper, Robert Paine, Richard Stockton, George Walton, and William Whipple.

George Washington was also a well-known mason, but he didn't sign the Declaration (I believe he was out campaigning).

Strangely enough, Washington implemented the first medical mandate in U.S. history, forcing his men to get inoculated for smallpox. The result, predictably, is that thousands of his men died.

The U.S. is a mix of Puritan, Quaker, Masonic, and Enlightenment ideas. Trying to determine which of these four influences had the largest effect on the foundation of the U.S. is difficult.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Wow, such a simple yet profound insight.

If we look at all the movements that cry for "EqUaLiTy!" we can easily see the connection. And by connection I mean unfortunate subversion.
Yup and if you then dig deeper and see what group often is involved in revolutions, either directly or stirring it up from the sidelines, then the circle is round (their names tend to end with berg or stein). Equality absolutely 100% diametrically goes against the hierarchical order as designed by God.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
Yup and if you then dig deeper and see what group often is involved in revolutions, either directly or stirring it up from the sidelines, then the circle is round (their names tend to end with berg or stein). Equality absolutely 100% diametrically goes against the hierarchical order as designed by God.

It is a most pernicious heresy. Very tenacious. Seen in the Anabaptists, modern egalitarianism between men and women and so forth.
 

ReversalasreveR

Chicken
Protestant
Guys, especially Americans, I would like to know your opinion on this highly controversial topic. Personally, for me as a non-American, the US always appeared like a Christian country but were the states really built on Christian foundations as it is often publicly presented?



The intention was so desired but the founders knew it was flawed by humans. Countries are labeled by media. Citizens can be labeled by their government according to what their parents are classified as. Then comes the question of practice of beliefs.

If the foundation isnt built upon a rock" the country will suffer.
If the rock is removed the foundation is subject to destruction.
There will always be intentions to "sell" and replace with hollow man made "better" rock
 

ReversalasreveR

Chicken
Protestant
The US is not a Christian country for more reasons than what the guy in OPs video said. That being said, many of the first wave of people were Christian, and not a member of the Masons. The Catholics strongly opposed freemasonry for apparent reasons, and the Orthodox population that came in the mid-to-late 20th century also did partake of this heinous fraternity. Most of the members of the masons in the first world are of WASPy descent, with several hibernian and neapolitan sellouts amongst the ranks. It would even be difficult to say that there are parts of the US that are strongly Christian when there is a masonic lodge in every single town. Show me a country without these charnel houses and blasphemous ritual centers. Russia is the closest thing to a Christian country, but it allows a multi-ethnic multi-religious truce-like existence, which is rare, but no doubt the two biggest powers are the Orthodox church, and remnant soviet jewry in terms of finances, I suppose a third up-and-coming political power block would be the Chechnyans as an Islamic base who serve the Russian Federation. There really is no dominant Crusader Kingdom anymore like in the middle ages. The last European Christian Kingdom that had any dominance I believe was the Austrian Empire. Some parts of Africa are also very Christian, but they are not independent of white assistance, jewish usury, or Asian interference.

I wish for a new kingdom on this earth that is Christ-centric, and I think it would have to be carved out of the US between an alliance of Catholics and Orthodox, where masonry and intelligencia hold no sway. One can dream. A church can found a country, this has happened before.
I pray for a new kingdom where a country can go back to christ
 

Pete345

Kingfisher
Orthodox
The level of "Christianity" identified with in the US Constitution and founding documents, was basically predicated on following natural law, as given us by God (which "God" is not specifically identified). Moral principles were identified as loosely being based on the 10 Commandments. The same US (actually the privately owned Jewish Cabal's Federal Reserve) currency that says "In God We Trust" is also covered with Masonic symbolism, which is absolutely anti-Christian. Then, about 100 years ago, the "Christian" foundations of America started to became watered down even more with the ridiculous, contradictory, and fundamentally incompatible term "Judeo-Christian".
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
What's most important under American Federal Law? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I think this gets to the crux of it. There are two streams in Protestantism. One is self-aggrandising and pleasure-seeking, the other is self-debasing and self-destructive. The US was built on the former. It doesn't matter whether the source is Baptist, Quaker, Masonic or otherwise, the guiding spirit is mostly pride and pleasuredise :)

The Orthodox Church should be orthodox and universal. The Catholic Church removed the orthodox element, an inserted a man to divine truth. Then the Protestants removed the catholic (universal) attribute from the church, which quickly led to the idea that everyone can divine truth, when truth has already been given to us by God :rolleyes:. The Catholic church is still universal, in that it's all under one man. Protestants don't even bother to come up with a narrative that their religions are divine, or that their guy has a direct line to God. At least a church like the the LDS say they are representatives of divine revelations; though I believe they have men divining within the church too.

The natural response to coming out of the church of God is to do as Eve did, seek pleasure and riches that you've just been warned about. That's what the founders were doing, and many before them. Most of the founders believed in petty aristocracy. Only 6% of people/men (I forget) were able to vote. Their franchise inevitably had to be extended until the above quote could be said to be about as true as possible.

Once you hit maximum pleasure and joy, the progression is into pestilence and misery. Our ancestors were blinded by the lights of the world, so that most of us have no way to countenance materialism by jealousy, anger and despondency. This has been rapidly growing in the culture over the past 10 years in particular, but it's been growing for 100s of years. But we are now living in a time when those impulses are stronger, and seeking to burn down the shining city on a hill, your tower of Babel. Universities are primarily factories to produce such people.

If you go into churches in America, you will typically see people trapped in joy or scolding themselves in flagellation. Both have no place in the history of the church. They were adopted by men. The flagellators have deluded themselves into thinking the path to God is via self-destruction along a road of guilt. When God taught us to seek true repentance and thus forgiveness, rather than carrying these burdens. Those seeking joy are deluded into thinking that the path to God is a one filled with endless dopamine hits and engorgement. When God taught us to be humble.

I think the history of Christianity in the US is of those two streams, with the culture that is gifted by Christianity constantly evaporating. The culture remains as a residue by inertia. How much of Christ was left at various points is hard to say.

Recently a self described "soft-lib" was talking to me about Christianity. He is not a Christian, but sees something there, an element that is missing. Naturally he has no understanding of orthodox Christianity. He thinks more religion would be better, but it should just be something that is in the corner. A nice little place of warm and cosy feelz. But that place should have no real bearing on society.

Christianity is a church, if you can keep it. We couldn't keep it.
America is a republic, if you can keep it. You couldn't keep it.
The last days are a clue, if you can recognise it.

the experiences of English people in schools and it seems many of them still receive religious education

I don't know what it's like now, but when I was in school, we had at least one weekly assembly with a priest from The Church of England. There were two. One was professionally boring. The other was very energetic and positive. He had quite a big effect on me. Although I didn't consider myself a Christian or believe in God at the time. As a young child I also went to a Methodist nursery. I remember specifically believing in God at that time. But I think that ended at age 5 when I went to normal school and Christianity was just one thing that was there, in the same way that maths was there. I also remember another guy who came in once who was also very positive and proactive. He was telling us about Barabbas. He and the priest I liked had a very evangelical element to them. I am now very suspect of that behaviour, but not really sure why. But I feel evangelical proselytising to be very disingenuous and coming from an unhealthy place that I don't know.

Anyway, I had some cues in life to predispose me to being self-debasing, self-sacrificial etc. And the CoE, being a self-debasing organisation, feed into that. So my idea of Christianity, was essentially hurting yourself to show you are good. This is a grad perversion and one of the biggest of our time. You will all probably be familiar with The Guardian newspaper. This came from the stream of Methodism, which was even more self-debasing than the CoE. Their endless insanity with things like getting a vasectomy to save the planet, mass immigration as a punishment for colonialism etc. has all come from the wreckage of Godless Christian denominations. They don't do these things because they are good, but because they are given over to Satan.

Later I went to a private school that had it's own chapel. But it was just boring, and no one paid any attention to it. But it's slightly better than it not being there at all. It's a thread that one can unravel.

Just reading, it appears that this is not surprisingly slowly devolving into generic or multi-faith setups. Further reading shows the general trend in Europe:

1800s - Christian schools created by churches
early 1900s - state takes control of Christian schools under the understanding they will continue to by explicitly Christian
around the 70s - schools are no longer explicitly Christian
around the 80s - religious education (a class) is introduced
more recently - religious education become - religious, philosophical and ethical studies
about now and the future - religious education is replaced with civic and moral studies

France has replaced it with éducation civique et morale. In the UK, when I was in school there was something called PHSE (Personal, social, health and economic education). I would guess that will replace religious education. I remember in this class they were teaching us about usury - mortgages. I remember asking a question how they can do all this money changing, sensing what I found out next year was fractional-reserve banking. Obviously the teacher had no idea about this. I asked a similar question when learning about the great depression. How could there have been a run on banks? Unless they didn't have the money. I guess I've always had the spirit of a troublesome goy in me with these inconvenient questions. If I was to describe my time in school I could do it with one word - gay. And PHSE was the gayest part.
 
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Towgunner

Kingfisher
Yes, the US is a Christian country, despite our secular contemporary times. The US was founded as a Christian nation and that ethos persists today.

Now, I'm the first to admit that today's America is not Christian in many ways. But, I know this country is currently in the firm grip of some kind of neo-marxist, socialist control. Let's just call it communist. Communists hate religion and, in particular, Christianity. In fact, reading source documents, such as das capital, one sees very quickly how the early communists utilized Christianity by usurping much of its teachings and reconfiguring, or corrupting, it into their own. The Garden of Eden was to be recreated here on Earth - this is a common theme throughout Marx's writings.

What you realize is communism is diametrically opposed to Christianity at a rudimentary level, so, it follows that it must be antagonistic to it. For the past couple of decades, communism has been on the rise, therefore, Christianity has been under constant attack. If communism hadn't risen in the US then Christianity would be doing fine.
 

Max Roscoe

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
Yes, the US is a Christian country, despite our secular contemporary times. The US was founded as a Christian nation and that ethos persists today.
Because the founder of a nation was a Christian it means the nation is Christian? If that's the metric then the descriptor is meaningless. All European nations were founded not just by Christians, but with the explicit Divine Right of the monarch as God's representative on earth with the solemn duty of upholding Christendom, and countless wars were fought over this. Does that make all of Europe Christian today? What is the meaning of Christianity used in such a definition?

Anyway, I'm dubious of that claim's truthfulness. Most of the founders were theists who believed something not very different from what a lot of modern agnostics believe today. And even if they were nominally Christian, basically everyone was Christian in the 1700s, so that's not saying much. If we are going back to 1700 to make observations on modern society, then you can pretty much claim whatever you want to.

Is the USA also a homogeneous white ethnostate because it was founded by white people who specifically denied slaves participation in voting, and whites are still a majority today?

Is the USA a peaceful nation because it was founded without a standing army, and prohibited the existence of one for more than 2 years when not actively at war?

Is the USA a free nation because it was founded without a national police force, an income tax, or censorship rules?

I think we have to look at more than just history to determine whether a nation is Christian, and even if we do look at history, I view America's founding as explicitly anti-Christian.

What you realize is communism AND CAPITALISM ARE diametrically opposed to Christianity at a rudimentary level, so, it follows that it must be antagonistic to it. For the past couple of decades, communism capitalism has been on the rise, therefore, Christianity has been under constant attack. If communism capitalism hadn't risen in the US then Christianity would be doing fine.
Fixed it for you
 

Longshot03

Chicken
Protestant
No race or politics before 25 posts
Because the founder of a nation was a Christian it means the nation is Christian? If that's the metric then the descriptor is meaningless. All European nations were founded not just by Christians, but with the explicit Divine Right of the monarch as God's representative on earth with the solemn duty of upholding Christendom, and countless wars were fought over this. Does that make all of Europe Christian today? What is the meaning of Christianity used in such a definition?

Anyway, I'm dubious of that claim's truthfulness. Most of the founders were theists who believed something not very different from what a lot of modern agnostics believe today. And even if they were nominally Christian, basically everyone was Christian in the 1700s, so that's not saying much. If we are going back to 1700 to make observations on modern society, then you can pretty much claim whatever you want to.

Is the USA also a homogeneous white ethnostate because it was founded by white people who specifically denied slaves participation in voting, and whites are still a majority today?

Is the USA a peaceful nation because it was founded without a standing army, and prohibited the existence of one for more than 2 years when not actively at war?

Is the USA a free nation because it was founded without a national police force, an income tax, or censorship rules?

I think we have to look at more than just history to determine whether a nation is Christian, and even if we do look at history, I view America's founding as explicitly anti-Christian.


Fixed it for you
You didn't fix anything. You just spouted a bunch of woke propaganda. The fact we've strayed far from the Constitution and the founder's intentions has nothing to do with its founding. And the fact that it's mostly white today makes in non-Christian? Wow. I guess we need more white genocide (black-on-white murders are much more prevalent in the U.S. than vice versa).
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
You didn't fix anything. You just spouted a bunch of woke propaganda. The fact we've strayed far from the Constitution and the founder's intentions has nothing to do with its founding. And the fact that it's mostly white today makes in non-Christian? Wow. I guess we need more white genocide (black-on-white murders are much more prevalent in the U.S. than vice versa).
I disagree, there is nothing "woke" in what Max Roscoe said.
You, on the other hand, seem to wish to replace/reduce Christianity to "Whiteness".
Your post is a nice illustration of EMJ's definition of a "White nationalist" as a "Christian who doesn't go to Church any more".
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Is the USA a peaceful nation because it was founded without a standing army, and prohibited the existence of one for more than 2 years when not actively at war?

Is the USA a free nation because it was founded without a national police force, an income tax, or censorship rules?

Not to mention that before Lincoln, the USA weren't "one nation" - they were a confederation.

I view America's founding as explicitly anti-Christian.

The subsequent history of relations between America and other nations confirms this. Ask the countless (south American or European) Christian countries who enjoyed (and, for many of them, are still enjoying) American intervention/domination.
The closest to a genuinely Christian action in the history of US interventionism is the anti-Communist Crusade - and even that is doubtful.
 

traelo

 
Banned
Orthodox Inquirer
Depends what region of the country you are in.
View attachment 50525

Northeast and Northwest have low religiosity, while the southeast has the most religiosity. In recent decades America's Christian influence has definitely declined though.
This Map should show a little more detail:
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So when comparing this map to the first, you can see that Utah may be above average religiosity, but it is Mormon, which is not even Christian (they don't even believe Jesus is the Son of God, but a creation of God).

So the Bible Belt, or Southeast USA, is the main Christian part of the country.
 
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Longshot03

Chicken
Protestant
I disagree, there is nothing "woke" in what Max Roscoe said.
You, on the other hand, seem to wish to replace/reduce Christianity to "Whiteness".
Your post is a nice illustration of EMJ's definition of a "White nationalist" as a "Christian who doesn't go to Church any more".
You have no idea what I "seem to wish." And I do go to church. I suggest taking a break for a while and learning about basic logical fallacies. And yes, the drivel he wrote was certainly woke. Do better, Lying Bull.
 

Stoiam

 
Banned
Orthodox
Is the USA also a homogeneous white ethnostate because it was founded by white people who specifically denied slaves participation in voting, and whites are still a majority today?
So the Bible Belt, or Southeast USA, is the main Christian part of the country.
Please tell me, how can a supposedly "Christian" country have the institution of slavery in principle? In what way is slavery compatible with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth? Seriously?

I think that there is a difference between people who called themselves Christians or used Christian symbolica vs actually being Christians and practicing the teachings of Jesus Christ.

So this information alone makes me skeptical to the "Christianity" of the "Bible Belt" in the former Confederate states. Keep in mind that this region is considered as "the main Christian part of the country". Knowing this fact alone, we can answer the question "is the US a Christian country".
 
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