Is there seriously any benefits at all to Western medicine?

Againstallodds

Robin
Orthodox
Serious question what is the main contribution of the official 'scientific' peer reviewed FDA approved and deboonk proof western medicine?

Where is this drug that you take that only makes you better and has no serious side effects?

I feel like this is an important question in this time of vaccines and various scare tactics where doctors are regarded as gods.

I have always heard arguments backed by almost zero evidence about how in the old days life expectancy was 35 years old and how we would all be dead from the flu without antibiotics lol. Nevermind that these idiots are taking average age because of supposed infant mortality rate and many other factors that could be conflating

From reading ancient texts like the bible it is clear that many lived 100+
I have my own experience with my own great grandma she lived to over 100 no vaccines no medication did not take antibiotic it was not available in her village and she wasnt unique many of her friends lived to over 90. And this was in a time when there were plagues circulating.

The main claim to fame of western medicine is vaccines and that's whole other can of worms. We all know how aliens control big pharma and push drugs that have a worse side effects than the cure.

I just want to discern the actual benefits.
Of course there is surgery, If you suffer from a bad accident in some cases only surgery can save you and that's where western medicine objectively shines but how good are the outcomes of surgery? They are horrible. In fact a lot of time a placebo surgery outperforms the real one. In cases where surgery does prevent death the patient's quality of life could a lot of time suffer many become disabled and I sincerely believe that letting God's will take place is much more merciful.

It seems to me that western medicine is here to treat problems that were caused in the first place by the western diet and lifestyle and instead of helping people be self-healing they create dependent and disabled population of drug addicts who need more drugs to fight the first drug's side effects while they eat burger and fries before they get a surgery to remove a dying organ.

Man, give me so called quack medicine like homeopathy, vitamins, herbs, Ayurveda, TCM and any alternative over this butchering any day.
 

Simple Man

Kingfisher
Gold Member
I’m lucky enough that I haven’t needed to see a doctor in 17 years. I remember visiting a doctor twice - when I had the flu at about 10 years old, he told me to rest up. The other time when I was 12 years old and sprained my wrIst, and I went just to make sure it wasn’t broken.

My uncle was fit and fine 3 years ago before being told he needed a hip replacement. He went and got it done, and hasn’t been the same since. He never regained strength in his hip, the doctors then found other other things wrong with him and decided he needed spinal surgery - he’s now essentially house bound and has become depressed. I am convinced if he never got cut open in the first place he would be far better off today than he otherwise is.
My mother had a bad shoulder but it was manageable. She was convinced to get surgery done on it and ended up suffering immense pain for the following 6 months, barely able to sleep. It has only now just recovered to how it was pre surgery.

So, my brief history with modern medicine is that’s it’s a load of crap. Like you suggested, the main aim to me seems to be to get people hooked on doctors appointments and drugs, which begins a never ending cycle of more doctors and more drugs. My uncle has probably had 80 medical appointments in the past two years. I will continue to stay away from ‘medical experts’ for as long as I possibly can.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
Western medicine was great when science was driven by Christianity; that is, the urge to please God by revealing His Creation, and using that knowledge to benefit mankind.

However, now that we lack any moral framework, medicine is about the Benjamins ($$$). Drug companies, insurance companies, etc.

There is also a strange attitude towards death in our current dispensation. Under a Christian consensus we used to talk about dying with dignity. This is no longer the case: Boomers just want to prolong their lives, with no regard for a dignified repose. Or they want to end chronic pain with euthanasia. There’s no godly approach to death.
 

Zagor

Woodpecker
Western medicine is all intervention and no prevention. Regarding interventions, like surgery and some farmacological solutions, they have indeed made great progress. They can now keep a decrepit old person alive for much longer, but the question is should it even come to that or we can prevent it from happening? But modern medicine is not interested in answering that question because there's no money in prevention. They would be running themselves out of business and they know it. Keeping people manageably sick as long as possible is their business model .
 

Againstallodds

Robin
Orthodox
My uncle was fit and fine 3 years ago before being told he needed a hip replacement. He went and got it done, and hasn’t been the same since. He never regained strength in his hip, the doctors then found other other things wrong with him and decided he needed spinal surgery - he’s now essentially house bound and has become depressed. I am convinced if he never got cut open in the first place he would be far better off today than he otherwise is.
My mother had a bad shoulder but it was manageable. She was convinced to get surgery done on it and ended up suffering immense pain for the following 6 months, barely able to sleep. It has only now just recovered to how it was pre surgery.

So, my brief history with modern medicine is that’s it’s a load of crap. Like you suggested, the main aim to me seems to be to get people hooked on doctors appointments and drugs, which begins a never ending cycle of more doctors and more drugs. My uncle has probably had 80 medical appointments in the past two years. I will continue to stay away from ‘medical experts’ for as long as I possibly can.

This is exactly the problem with surgery. Even if they are getting more precise and better at cutting you up the outcomes are still horrible. They don't think of the body as a whole instead they treat it like a mechanic would treat a car changing separate parts. God created a whole inter-connected body capable of self-healing. If you look into recent peptides that people inject they are just replicating of the body's internal messaging system for healing. There is no doubt in my mind that your uncle would have been better off trying alternative therapies and mostly praying/meditating (which I believe sends signals from the brain to start the healing process).

There is also a strange attitude towards death in our current dispensation. Under a Christian consensus we used to talk about dying with dignity. This is no longer the case: Boomers just want to prolong their lives, with no regard for a dignified repose. Or they want to end chronic pain with euthanasia. There’s no godly approach to death.

The silent generation had a real aversion to doctors I remember we had to drag my grandpa forcefully to see one. Christians have no reason to be afraid of death and frankly dying with dignity at 70 is much more appealing than dying in a retirement home or drugged up in a hospital. The irony is that despite all of the medical 'advancements', the boomer's parents lived a longer healthier life had much lower rates of disease or mental problems. They also lived much more fulfilled lives with faith and saw their grandchildren grow. The boomers fear of death is pathetic it's fear of God.
 

scenicway

Sparrow
Physicians are people just like in any profession. There are good ones and bad ones. You have to seek out the best care. For example, I qualify for free healthcare at the VA, but there's no way I would go there for anything more than basic care.

Medicine is not responsible for the disgusting culture and lifestyle in the US that causes so much health issues. The information on living a healthy lifestyle is there for anyone that desires. You can lead a horse to water.

In my life I have had 2 major trauma events where I benefited greatly from modern medicine. I can't even imagine where I would be without that care, it would be bad and my life would be entirely different. I'm very thankful.
 

Againstallodds

Robin
Orthodox
That's really great to hear. I speak based on my experiences and other people that I know. Let's just say that I have no faith in western medicine no matter how good the doctor is because I believe the big pharma drugs are poison that create dependency

do you mind elaborating on your traumas. I really want to see the positive sides of western medicine.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Medicine is not responsible for the disgusting culture and lifestyle in the US that causes so much health issues. The information on living a healthy lifestyle is there for anyone that desires. You can lead a horse to water.

The people deserve what they get, yet again. They want a magic bullet? That implicates them on the prevention side. They think health care costs too much? They better demand that the tort system stops and make sure that people have skin in the game. They are either ignorant, don't want this, or entrust others to create a system for them. Oh yeah, like all government induced shit, that didn't work out too well for them - so blame medicine - that really solves things. Medicine has many system and bureaucratic problems. Hmm, I wonder where they get those from. Hint: it's not doctors.

If you don't know how to eat or stay healthy, or at least understand there are consequences for your actions (clown world denies this) ... your parents failed you. If you didn't have parents, sorry to say, clown world got you much earlier than most.

Patients want it all but have little skin in the game, big picture. When it comes to longevity (what we've excelled at), if you don't actually know what health is or what being healthy is, I've got some advice: be careful what you wish for.
 

stugatz

Pelican
Yes, there definitely is - the reason the entire world (much of the third world included) began living longer and having lower infant mortality was mostly due to Western medicine.

That said, this tendency today of doctors to over-prescribe for EVERYTHING means it peaked decades ago, at least in implementation. There's also this troubling tendency for them to look for new drugs and make more money. The insistence that hydroxychloroquine was a bad fit for the coof, and that we needed new drugs to combat it, troubled me last year.
 

Againstallodds

Robin
Orthodox
Yes, there definitely is - the reason the entire world (much of the third world included) began living longer and having lower infant mortality was mostly due to Western medicine.

I find the data on infant mortality thing incredibly suspect. Natural birth seemed to be working fine for thousands of years. Over the course of last century or so you had rising poverty and industrialization of third world countries. If the mother is in a state of famine or very low nutrient intake while pregnant plus exposure to pollutant then chances of infant mortality is high.

Yet again western medicine takes the credit for a solution where the problem was created by unnatural causes. In my opinion, yes you might be a saving a life but a lot of time endangering the life of the woman to save a child who has a higher likelihood of contracting diseases and living a difficult life.

There are definitely cases where it is the only appropriate solution (mostly life saving surgeries), I think if used that way is the most useful keep it to a minimum. However, I do not believe in any pills offered by western medicine. I think those are all poisons from the cholesterol pill to cialis to finasteride. It is a short-cut that many people use in place of a healthy lifestyle.
 
Really no, marginal benefits for acute injuries, but beyond that its just a money grab. I've seen better remedies for burns, cuts, infections, broken bones, using poultices and internal recipes consisting of herbs, roots, and minerals. Chaga mushroom prevents tumor growth, so does Shilajit. Oncologists would be out of business if Mycology became mainstream with its curative aspects and the cultivation of its medicinal species made known to the layman.
 
Serious question what is the main contribution of the official 'scientific' peer reviewed FDA approved and deboonk proof western medicine?

Where is this drug that you take that only makes you better and has no serious side effects?

I feel like this is an important question in this time of vaccines and various scare tactics where doctors are regarded as gods.

I have always heard arguments backed by almost zero evidence about how in the old days life expectancy was 35 years old and how we would all be dead from the flu without antibiotics lol. Nevermind that these idiots are taking average age because of supposed infant mortality rate and many other factors that could be conflating

From reading ancient texts like the bible it is clear that many lived 100+
I have my own experience with my own great grandma she lived to over 100 no vaccines no medication did not take antibiotic it was not available in her village and she wasnt unique many of her friends lived to over 90. And this was in a time when there were plagues circulating.

The main claim to fame of western medicine is vaccines and that's whole other can of worms. We all know how aliens control big pharma and push drugs that have a worse side effects than the cure.

I just want to discern the actual benefits.
Of course there is surgery, If you suffer from a bad accident in some cases only surgery can save you and that's where western medicine objectively shines but how good are the outcomes of surgery? They are horrible. In fact a lot of time a placebo surgery outperforms the real one. In cases where surgery does prevent death the patient's quality of life could a lot of time suffer many become disabled and I sincerely believe that letting God's will take place is much more merciful.

It seems to me that western medicine is here to treat problems that were caused in the first place by the western diet and lifestyle and instead of helping people be self-healing they create dependent and disabled population of drug addicts who need more drugs to fight the first drug's side effects while they eat burger and fries before they get a surgery to remove a dying organ.

Man, give me so called quack medicine like homeopathy, vitamins, herbs, Ayurveda, TCM and any alternative over this butchering any day.
The reason life expectancy was so low. Is because so many babies and children died.

Not that those surviving childhood didn't manage to live long lives.
 
Serious question what is the main contribution of the official 'scientific' peer reviewed FDA approved and deboonk proof western medicine?

Where is this drug that you take that only makes you better and has no serious side effects?

I feel like this is an important question in this time of vaccines and various scare tactics where doctors are regarded as gods.

I have always heard arguments backed by almost zero evidence about how in the old days life expectancy was 35 years old and how we would all be dead from the flu without antibiotics lol. Nevermind that these idiots are taking average age because of supposed infant mortality rate and many other factors that could be conflating

From reading ancient texts like the bible it is clear that many lived 100+
I have my own experience with my own great grandma she lived to over 100 no vaccines no medication did not take antibiotic it was not available in her village and she wasnt unique many of her friends lived to over 90. And this was in a time when there were plagues circulating.

The main claim to fame of western medicine is vaccines and that's whole other can of worms. We all know how aliens control big pharma and push drugs that have a worse side effects than the cure.

I just want to discern the actual benefits.
Of course there is surgery, If you suffer from a bad accident in some cases only surgery can save you and that's where western medicine objectively shines but how good are the outcomes of surgery? They are horrible. In fact a lot of time a placebo surgery outperforms the real one. In cases where surgery does prevent death the patient's quality of life could a lot of time suffer many become disabled and I sincerely believe that letting God's will take place is much more merciful.

It seems to me that western medicine is here to treat problems that were caused in the first place by the western diet and lifestyle and instead of helping people be self-healing they create dependent and disabled population of drug addicts who need more drugs to fight the first drug's side effects while they eat burger and fries before
My wife has lived over three years since she was diagnosed with Stage 4 Ovarian cancer. They thought she only had months to live, but western medicine has given her years.

Also, I'm a big fan of Advil and Claratin.
I also recommend the Ketogenic diet:

May help starve cancer cells.
 

SeekingTruth

Kingfisher
Like others said here, most of the benefit is in life-saving mechanical interventions, such as for heart attacks, strokes and other surgeries.

Secularism/consumerism has created a culture in which corporations suggest they can fix all of our ills...a pill, a lotion, etc. This has had a damaging effect on society in that some can't live with the smallest imperfections. Suffering even 1% of what Jesus did isn't possible for 99.9% of society. So we must fix whatever is bothering us immediately. Therefore, people will seek medical care at ERs for non-emergencies. Mass entitlement. The suits reinforce this. Market to the masses. Tell doctors how to treat. Make more money. More power. And you know the rest of the story.

The truth lies in Jesus and the power of suffering.
 

Joe316

Robin
The last time I visited a doctor was in February 2020, when I had a really bad cough for three weeks straight and it started getting worse.

He auscultated me to check if my lungs were okay, then sent me home with a slip "What to do in case you have a cold". It got better once I started overdosing Vitamin C and D (which was not on it).

If had visited a hospital emergency room instead...
 
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