Islam is an insidious threat more dangerous than Communism

h3ltrsk3ltr

Kingfisher
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Khan said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
The Bible is fucking violent. The old testament is story after story of people hacking each other to death and don't tell me "that's not applicable because it's the old testament" because both have been taught in Sunday school since 313AD.

I agree, no one here is denying that the Bible is violent. But in your post lies the answer to where you're wrong. You're equating stories and anecdotes of other people hacking and stoning each other to death, with explicit commands given by God to hack and stone everyone else to death. That's the difference between the Bible and the Koran.

My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Christianity not giving an instruction to fuck people up doesn't do it any favors. Its congregation is in a somnambulant denial as the "values" of the bible are warped by the increasing female population that doesn't have the capacity to defend the essence of what made it so powerful in the past.

I'm guessing the advocacy for Christianity here is based more on maintaining a way of life and defending it to ourselves than any inherent quality found in the religion itself.

Today they actively neuter young men and set girls up to be whores. I don't see anything in this religion worth defending.

If you want to go into the weeds of the texts of the Koran and the bible we could probably trade evidences in favor of our points all day. What does it matter, though? Both religions suck for their respective congregations.

In the West, most of us just happen to have christian roots. Muslims, even peaceful ones, are a threat to the US because they can be easily used as a underground railroad for extremists whether they support them or not.

Is an imam at a local masque going to turn in a bunch of young men helping terrorists with some small smuggling operation to homeland security? Fuck no.

It's not nice, but they're a threat so fuck 'em. I'll be compassionate after I've conquered...christian style. :cool:
 

Ghost Tiger

Ostrich
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Leonard D Neubache said:
hydrogonian said:
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I like the sentiment but, if I may, communism is why we have political correctness and multiculturalism. It's the software that protects Islam, and as such it trumps it as a danger.
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The cultural Marxism we suffer under in the West is not in the service of Communism. It is simply the utter rejection of everything that our nations were founded on, to be replaced with a vague and undefinable concept of "social justice".

Islam is gaining strength because nature abhors a vacuum, and a lack of cultural identity is a vacuum into which a raw, unsympathetic, unapologetic force like Islam will inevitably be drawn.

What we are entering into is not communism. Marxist methods for destroying capitalism are being used, yes, but not in the service of creating a communist society. What the elites have planned is something else entirely.

Social justice = socialism and the end goal of socialism is communism (as per Lenin).
 

Ghost Tiger

Ostrich
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h3ltrsk3ltr said:
My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

But Muslims are going around raping and pillaging RIGHT NOW because of the SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS in Islam, and you seem to prefer their style. So are you saying that you don't like Christianity because it is "meek and flabby"?

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Name a tribe of people that's innocent. Find me a people without sin before you cast stones at Christianity. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you have a problem with the sins of aggression, it seems that you have a problem with Christians not being aggressive enough for your taste. If that is the case, you should study history a bit better. Christians have a long fuse, but once its lit, we don't fuck around. We win. Jesus preached peace, but he was known to bust up a few benches now and then when circumstances called for action.

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Christianity not giving an instruction to fuck people up doesn't do it any favors.

Sounds like you would prefer a Christianity that gave instructions to fuck people up. Sounds like you prefer Islam. It may be a better fit for your worldview.

Your attitude towards Christianity is a lot like SJW attitudes towards Western civilization. You have a lot of criticisms but you're completely lacking viable solutions. Winston Churchill said that our system is the worst system there is... except for all the other ones that have been tried. Think on that.
 

h3ltrsk3ltr

Kingfisher
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Ghost Tiger said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

But Muslims are going around raping and pillaging RIGHT NOW because of the SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS in Islam, and you seem to prefer their style. So are you saying that you don't like Christianity because it is "meek and flabby"?

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Name a tribe of people that's innocent. Find me a people without sin before you cast stones at Christianity. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you have a problem with the sins of aggression, it seems that you have a problem with Christians not being aggressive enough for your taste. If that is the case, you should study history a bit better. Christians have a long fuse, but once its lit, we don't fuck around. We win. Jesus preached peace, but he was known to bust up a few benches now and then when circumstances called for action.

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Christianity not giving an instruction to fuck people up doesn't do it any favors.

Sounds like you would prefer a Christianity that gave instructions to fuck people up. Sounds like you prefer Islam. It may be a better fit for your worldview.

Your attitude towards Christianity is a lot like SJW attitudes towards Western civilization. You have a lot of criticisms but you're completely lacking viable solutions. Winston Churchill said that our system is the worst system there is... except for all the other ones that have been tried. Think on that.

Why are you making assumptions about me? If anything is SJWism it's attacking someone's personality because you don't like what they say.

Re-read my post, think about for more than five seconds, then suck my dick.
 

Ghost Tiger

Ostrich
Gold Member
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Ghost Tiger said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

But Muslims are going around raping and pillaging RIGHT NOW because of the SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS in Islam, and you seem to prefer their style. So are you saying that you don't like Christianity because it is "meek and flabby"?

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Name a tribe of people that's innocent. Find me a people without sin before you cast stones at Christianity. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you have a problem with the sins of aggression, it seems that you have a problem with Christians not being aggressive enough for your taste. If that is the case, you should study history a bit better. Christians have a long fuse, but once its lit, we don't fuck around. We win. Jesus preached peace, but he was known to bust up a few benches now and then when circumstances called for action.

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Christianity not giving an instruction to fuck people up doesn't do it any favors.

Sounds like you would prefer a Christianity that gave instructions to fuck people up. Sounds like you prefer Islam. It may be a better fit for your worldview.

Your attitude towards Christianity is a lot like SJW attitudes towards Western civilization. You have a lot of criticisms but you're completely lacking viable solutions. Winston Churchill said that our system is the worst system there is... except for all the other ones that have been tried. Think on that.

Why are you making assumptions about me? If anything is SJWism it's attacking someone's personality because you don't like what they say.

Re-read my post, think about for more than five seconds, then suck my dick.

Oops. Somebody's triggered! Take it easy man. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to challenge your thinking. You've written off Christianity as wimpy because you haven't thought about the entire history of it for more than five seconds. You're drawing an equivalence between Christianity and Islam that is absurd. There is no equivalence. They are vastly different. Islam is cancer.
 

h3ltrsk3ltr

Kingfisher
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Ghost Tiger said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Ghost Tiger said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

But Muslims are going around raping and pillaging RIGHT NOW because of the SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS in Islam, and you seem to prefer their style. So are you saying that you don't like Christianity because it is "meek and flabby"?

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Name a tribe of people that's innocent. Find me a people without sin before you cast stones at Christianity. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you have a problem with the sins of aggression, it seems that you have a problem with Christians not being aggressive enough for your taste. If that is the case, you should study history a bit better. Christians have a long fuse, but once its lit, we don't fuck around. We win. Jesus preached peace, but he was known to bust up a few benches now and then when circumstances called for action.

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Christianity not giving an instruction to fuck people up doesn't do it any favors.

Sounds like you would prefer a Christianity that gave instructions to fuck people up. Sounds like you prefer Islam. It may be a better fit for your worldview.

Your attitude towards Christianity is a lot like SJW attitudes towards Western civilization. You have a lot of criticisms but you're completely lacking viable solutions. Winston Churchill said that our system is the worst system there is... except for all the other ones that have been tried. Think on that.

Why are you making assumptions about me? If anything is SJWism it's attacking someone's personality because you don't like what they say.

Re-read my post, think about for more than five seconds, then suck my dick.

Oops. Somebody's triggered! Take it easy man. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to challenge your thinking. You've written off Christianity as wimpy because you haven't thought about the entire history of it for more than five seconds. You're drawing an equivalence between Christianity and Islam that is absurd. There is no equivalence. They are vastly different. Islam is cancer.

Again with the feminine, passive-aggressive bullshit.

Your response to my post implied that I'm uninformed, and lacking in viable solutions yet you yourself have simply stated a myopic viewpoint without submitting any reasoning.

Why is Islam cancer? How are these religions different? Make some points instead of suggesting I'm incapable of arguing mine.

It's not "challenging my thinking" to say I shouldn't criticize a religion just because all religions are flawed nor is it absurd to point out parallels between Islam and Christianity (the only one I pointed out was that they both have a violent history, other than that I'm saying they are different).

And saying "suck my dick" isn't "being triggered", numb-nuts. Grab a thicker skin.
 

Ghost Tiger

Ostrich
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h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Ghost Tiger said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Ghost Tiger said:
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

But Muslims are going around raping and pillaging RIGHT NOW because of the SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS in Islam, and you seem to prefer their style. So are you saying that you don't like Christianity because it is "meek and flabby"?

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Name a tribe of people that's innocent. Find me a people without sin before you cast stones at Christianity. Anyway, it doesn't sound like you have a problem with the sins of aggression, it seems that you have a problem with Christians not being aggressive enough for your taste. If that is the case, you should study history a bit better. Christians have a long fuse, but once its lit, we don't fuck around. We win. Jesus preached peace, but he was known to bust up a few benches now and then when circumstances called for action.

h3ltrsk3ltr said:
Christianity not giving an instruction to fuck people up doesn't do it any favors.

Sounds like you would prefer a Christianity that gave instructions to fuck people up. Sounds like you prefer Islam. It may be a better fit for your worldview.

Your attitude towards Christianity is a lot like SJW attitudes towards Western civilization. You have a lot of criticisms but you're completely lacking viable solutions. Winston Churchill said that our system is the worst system there is... except for all the other ones that have been tried. Think on that.

Why are you making assumptions about me? If anything is SJWism it's attacking someone's personality because you don't like what they say.

Re-read my post, think about for more than five seconds, then suck my dick.

Oops. Somebody's triggered! Take it easy man. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to challenge your thinking. You've written off Christianity as wimpy because you haven't thought about the entire history of it for more than five seconds. You're drawing an equivalence between Christianity and Islam that is absurd. There is no equivalence. They are vastly different. Islam is cancer.

Again with the feminine, passive-aggressive bullshit.

Your response to my post implied that I'm uninformed, and lacking in viable solutions yet you yourself have simply stated a myopic viewpoint without submitting any reasoning.

Why is Islam cancer? How are these religions different? Make some points instead of suggesting I'm incapable of arguing mine.

It's not "challenging my thinking" to say I shouldn't criticize a religion just because all religions are flawed nor is it absurd to point out parallels between Islam and Christianity (the only one I pointed out was that they both have a violent history, other than that I'm saying they are different).

And saying "suck my dick" isn't "being triggered", numb-nuts. Grab a thicker skin.

I've already made the points so it's your lack of interest in reading through past posts that's the issue here, which is ironic for someone who complains about me "only taking 5 seconds" to read his post. Put some effort into the discussion. You get out what you put in. And with respect to grabbing a thicker skin, you're the one hurling the insults darling. Physician, heal thyself.
 

MiscBrah

Pelican
Gold Member
Comte De St. Germain said:
So how is our newest bimonthly Islam thread going?


I think we can group all Islam discussion under two categories, those that want to nuke them and those who don't. I, for one, am on TEAM GLASS PARKING LOT.
 

godfather dust

Ostrich
Gold Member
MiscBrah said:
Comte De St. Germain said:
So how is our newest bimonthly Islam thread going?


I think we can group all Islam discussion under two categories, those that want to nuke them and those who don't. I, for one, am on TEAM GLASS PARKING LOT.

Me too, start with that stupid fucking rock they worship in Mecca.
 

dain_bramage

Woodpecker
godfather dust said:
MiscBrah said:
Comte De St. Germain said:
So how is our newest bimonthly Islam thread going?


I think we can group all Islam discussion under two categories, those that want to nuke them and those who don't. I, for one, am on TEAM GLASS PARKING LOT.

Me too, start with that stupid fucking rock they worship in Mecca.

Maybe something hilarious like a pork air strike and bombing/ gun attack at the big rock?
 

Liberty Sea

Pelican
h3ltrsk3ltr said:
My point is it doesn't matter.

Even in the absence of specific instructions, Christians have gone raping and pillaging around the globe just as much, if not more than anyone else.

Heck, that's even worse. History shows that Christians don't even need instructions, they'll just go attacking other religions for the fuck of it!

Nah man, that means the Christians who raped and pillaged did so not because they were Christians, but because they were bad dudes. It's not Christianity and its doctrines that are responsible for the atrocity, it's the all-too-human flaws (as well as superior military power) of some who call themselves Christians. Violent Christians are violent despite of Christian doctrine, not because of it.

On the other hand Islamic terrorism is a direct result of Islamic doctrines. The Koran is much more directly responsible for the war and atrocity committed by Islamic imperialists than Bible was for crime committed under its name. GDP disparity is not exclusively a Middle East problem. Many other regions also have it. South Asia, South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, etc. But international terrorism is almost exclusively an Islamic problem. This means Islamic doctrines and specific instructions have an active, negative influence, and not that economically disadvantaged dudes are just gonna do terrorism regardless of doctrines. If most Muslims are peaceful, they are peaceful despite of it rather than because of it.

This distinction in doctrines and specific instructions between the Bibble and the Koran, and their implications, must be addressed, not ignored and swept under the rug.


Hence, the claim that Christianity and Islam are equivalent is at best unfounded.
 

jayko

Sparrow
Gold Member
Communism is political ideology, where Islam is the combined of political and religious ideology, which one has the firepower to achieve their objective? isn't that obvious?
 

EDantes

Newbie
Personally I'm more worried about progressivism than Islam.

Muslims are a minority, while progressives are all over the media and university establishment.

Muslims are at very least socially conservative, and aren't trying to push LGBT rights, sex changes, radical feminism, and even pedophile acceptance as "normal".

Most of the taboos regarding the criticism of Islam are the result of progressivism, since they've declared Muslims a "minority" and therefore a "protected class". It's progressivism that's trying to make it taboo to criticize Islam (while simultaneously trying to make it "cool" to attack Christianity).
 

StrikeBack

Ostrich
Gold Member
A direct comparison between the two is rather useless at this point, because we are fighting both right now.

In saying that, traitors from within (cultural marxists / communists) are always more dangerous than external threats (Islam, thankfully still more external than internal at this point).
 

RexImperator

Crow
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I could have perhaps phrased the original title in a better way. I did mean to debate which was worse, nearly point out that Islam is a similar kind of threat.

What I was trying to say is that the current culture of political correctness* makes it harder to take on Islam.

Though what Samseau says is true, that Marxism and Trotskyism were fashionable in academia and intellectual circles even during the Cold War, I don't think being called "anti-communist" had the perjorative effect "racist" or "Islamiphobe" has today.

*I make a distinction between communism (economic, political) and cultural marxism, which is largely what animates the left today.
 

Ghost Tiger

Ostrich
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RexImperator said:
I could have perhaps phrased the original title in a better way. I did mean to debate which was worse, nearly point out that Islam is a similar kind of threat.

What I was trying to say is that the current culture of political correctness* makes it harder to take on Islam.

Though what Samseau says is true, that Marxism and Trotskyism were fashionable in academia and intellectual circles even during the Cold War, I don't think being called "anti-communist" had the perjorative effect "racist" or "Islamiphobe" has today.

*I make a distinction between communism (economic, political) and cultural marxism, which is largely what animates the left today.

Actually I disagree. For example, McCarthy was RIGHT about Hollywood being full of communists, and his investigation of them resulted in his being one of the first victims of SJW outrage mobs. Ann Coulter has written great articles on McCarthy's mistreatment. Years later, Andrew Breitbart picked up where McCarthy left off and I'm certain that Breitbart's death was not an accident.
 

RexImperator

Crow
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Islamic subversion

According to the NATO definition, subversion is “an action designed to weaken the military, economic or political strength of a nation by undermining the morale, loyalty or reliability of its citizens”[2]. It forms the backbone of the global movement of political Islam: “The universality of Islam, in its all-embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”[3]

Although there are numerous examples of Islamic organisations and affiliates currently operating in Europe and the United States whose actions can be classified as Islamic subversion, arguably one of the most politicized and subversive forces is the Muslim Brotherhood.

The movement, its offshoots, and affiliates form networks of Islamic umbrella organisations, mosques, ‘cultural centres’ and Islamic institutes united under the infamous slogan of Muslim Brotherhood forefathers: “God is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of God is our highest hope”. The organisational entities of the Muslim Brotherhood are tasked to pursue the vision of Islamising Western lands via subversive means and eventually introduce Sharia law.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/06/is...llaborators-the-polish-connection/#more-40119
 
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