It Is Time To Leave The West

holgerdanske

holgerdanske

Woodpecker
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In his latest video RCP is not mincing any words:




Honestly there isn't much to add to his outlook and he didn't leave much room for interpretation. The current situation basically boils down to a binary decision:
  • GTFO
  • Hunker down and hope for the best
My wife and I have been mulling over this decision for the past few months now and in the end we decided to sit things out here in Spain. We found ourselves a place in the remote boonies with plenty of a acreage where we could grow some food. Stacked up on a ton of staple foods and even set up solar panels and a generator. Financially we are okay and could easily weather a few years of turmoil.

However if RCP is right we soon may find ourselves in a situation where we are unable to buy food, go the dentist, or go to the hospital in an emergency. Maybe the food shortages will become so bad that our land may be ceased and we are driven off our farm. Anything can happen given the elite's rapid implementation of a global authoritarian plutocracy.

The longer I think about this the more I have to admit to myself that RCP is probably right. Like the Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany we now face the decision to either sell all our possessions and get the heck out or to attempt to weather out the storm in the countryside.

This is an incredibly difficult decision to make. If I was 25 years old without a wife and only a handful of possessions I would simply pack my bags and leave, no questions asked. And I am not just saying that. It's something I did not just once but twice in my life and I never regretted my decision. But at our age moving to a completely different place where we don't even speak the language will be extremely risky.

And we don't even know whether these places will be in any better shape when the proverbial excrement hits the fan. There are already two long threads in this forum that have debated this issue to death and from I was able to gather no consensus was reached. AFAIK there is no single country on the European continent that is ideal as an escape from all this insanity we are facing. One week one country opens up and another the next closes things down. It's more or less random and it seems each election cycle actually strengthens the globalists as opposed to yielding positive change.

Given that it is almost impossible to make any long term plans and I'm pretty sure that exactly is the idea, to completely demoralize and shock people into compliance. As things become ever more authoritarian and restrictive nobody knows what to do and where to escape to. I'm probably better informed than 99% of the Western population plus I speak several languages and I STILL have no idea where to escape to.

Ukraine like RCP? He doesn't even speak Russian and although he has family there the Russians may just expel all foreigners when (and not if) they roll up Eastern Ukraine. Serbia? Montenegro? Albania? I hear so many conflicting reports from digital nomads and expats that suggest the situation is too fluid in all of these places to qualify them as a legitimate option.

Many of us in this forum will have to face the very same choice, not in the far flung future but right now TODAY! I believe this question deserves its own thread and I hope it won't devolve into unproductive quibbling over details.

God help us...
 
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BasilSeal

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I am sure it is a severe oversimplification to say that nonviolent resistance and trying to avoid oppression are mutually exclusive ideas. If you want to shut down oppression, you must resist it. Gandhi's autobiography would be a good first or re-read. History can be very instructive. It's filled with bullies.
 
holgerdanske

holgerdanske

Woodpecker
Catholic
BasilSeal said:
I am sure it is a severe oversimplification to say that nonviolent resistance and trying to avoid oppression are mutually exclusive ideas. If you want to shut down oppression, you must resist it. Gandhi's autobiography would be a good first or re-read. History can be very instructive. It's filled with bullies.
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And many times the bullies win. If the past two years have taught us anything then it is that non-violent demonstrations are being ignored. Heck they are not even featured in the mainstream media, despite millions of attendants in some cases. That does not mean I advocate violent resistance, all I am saying it that the idea of peaceful resistance is flawed and that the best strategy most likely is to simply extract yourself.

If I may ask, what have you decided for yourself and your loved ones?
 
holgerdanske

holgerdanske

Woodpecker
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Acerza89 said:
Stay where you are, have a network and comunity, its bettter to fight it out then run off. damned if you do and damned if you dont. (I am in the UK, its ok for now, but take off the table)
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Things are going to be BAD this winter, especially in the U.K. And there won't be wide-scale resistance. I hope you are properly prepared. Load up on fuel if you can and food stock.
 
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holgerdanske said:
And many times the bullies win. If the past two years have taught us anything then it is that non-violent demonstrations are being ignored. Heck they are not even featured in the mainstream media, despite millions of attendants in some cases. That does not mean I advocate violent resistance, all I am saying it that the idea of peaceful resistance is flawed and that the best strategy most likely is to simply extract yourself.

If I may ask, what have you decided for yourself and your loved ones?
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I'm staying right where I am. I suppose that my thought is that, two years is woefully insufficient to judge winners and losers, in any kind of conflict, whether violent or nonviolent. War can result in lost generations. My thoughts resonate with the famous quote by Minister Theodore Parker that is incorrectly attributed to many others (MLK, etc):

I do not pretend to understand the moral universe, the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways. I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience. But from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice.
 
It_is_my_time

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
If the USA collapses, much less the western world, no where in the world will be safe or comfortable. The reverberations from a US market crash will impact the entire world greatly.

Once this happens you are either in your home location, with people you have known for years, banded together to survive.

Or you are an outsider in someone else's country and you are seen as an easy mark or worse yet part of their problem.
 
holgerdanske

holgerdanske

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Catholic
It_is_my_time said:
If the USA collapses, much less the western world, no where in the world will be safe or comfortable. The reverberations from a US market crash will impact the entire world greatly.

Once this happens you are either in your home location, with people you have known for years, banded together to survive.

Or you are an outsider in someone else's country and you are seen as an easy mark or worse yet part of their problem.
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That actually has been my main concern with leaving Spain right now. It's not that I'm unwilling or incapable of learning a new language. Give me two years and I can communicate in a basic way. But as you pointed out, as a newcomer you will be at best considered an unwelcome outsider and at best an easy mark.
 
NoMoreTO

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
It_is_my_time said:
If the USA collapses, much less the western world, no where in the world will be safe or comfortable. The reverberations from a US market crash will impact the entire world greatly.

Once this happens you are either in your home location, with people you have known for years, banded together to survive.

Or you are an outsider in someone else's country and you are seen as an easy mark or worse yet part of their problem.
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This is exactly my situation. I am wanting to leave, and I know even in my situation 5 years ago I would probably just go down to Mexico or Latin America. I am a little older, single, and with assets.

Right now I am off the beaten path in a small town, with some family connections to land and some local friends. There is a level of insulation from the world which is helpful overall, but in this country (canada), it really looks like life will be a bit of a slog.
 
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Coja Petrus Uscan

Coja Petrus Uscan

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holgerdanske said:
Like the Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany we now face the decision to either sell all our possessions and get the heck out or to attempt to weather out the storm in the countryside.
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holgerdanske said:
Given that it is almost impossible to make any long term plans and I'm pretty sure that exactly is the idea, to completely demoralize and shock people into compliance. As things become ever more authoritarian and restrictive nobody knows what to do and where to escape to. I'm probably better informed than 99% of the Western population plus I speak several languages and I STILL have no idea where to escape to.
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Why are you assuming the sale for them? This is some black pill garbage.

Do you just need a pep talk? You're like a big bear, man...
 
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Easy_C

Easy_C

Peacock
No, it's not some "black pill garbage".

That said I think he is wrong and this project will fail. They very clearly didn't anticipate some of the exploding shortages (same as any communist regime) and you can tell they're panicking because they're doing things like begging Putin to send more oil and trying to open up the US "strategic reserves" to reduce gas prices. It's going up too much too fast and risking mass unrest.

HOWEVER. He's still correct on the most important point that you need to leave now. As the project fails the US is going to split along countless lines and will become an ungovernable quagmire. The future looks like Afghanistan and.....trust me when I say that very few of you here (possibly myself included) are not cut out for a life similar to what being a civilian in Afghanistan is like.
 
Feyoder

Feyoder

Pelican
holgerdanske said:
In his latest video RCP is not mincing any words:




Honestly there isn't much to add to his outlook and he didn't leave much room for interpretation. The current situation basically boils down to a binary decision:
  • GTFO
  • Hunker down and hope for the best
My wife and I have been mulling over this decision for the past few months now and in the end we decided to sit things out here in Spain. We found ourselves a place in the remote boonies with plenty of a acreage where we could grow some food. Stacked up on a ton of staple foods and even set up solar panels and a generator. Financially we are okay and could easily weather a few years of turmoil.

However if RCP is right we soon may find ourselves in a situation where we are unable to buy food, go the dentist, or go to the hospital in an emergency. Maybe the food shortages will become so bad that our land may be ceased and we are driven off our farm. Anything can happen given the elite's rapid implementation of a global authoritarian plutocracy.

The longer I think about this the more I have to admit to myself that RCP is probably right. Like the Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany we now face the decision to either sell all our possessions and get the heck out or to attempt to weather out the storm in the countryside.

This is an incredibly difficult decision to make. If I was 25 years old without a wife and only a handful of possessions I would simply pack my bags and leave, no questions asked. And I am not just saying that. It's something I did not just once but twice in my life and I never regretted my decision. But at our age moving to a completely different place where we don't even speak the language will be extremely risky.

And we don't even know whether these places will be in any better shape when the proverbial excrement hits the fan. There are already two long threads in this forum that have debated this issue to death and from I was able to gather no consensus was reached. AFAIK there is no single country on the European continent that is ideal as an escape from all this insanity we are facing. One week one country opens up and another the next closes things down. It's more or less random and it seems each election cycle actually strengthens the globalists as opposed to yielding positive change.

Given that it is almost impossible to make any long term plans and I'm pretty sure that exactly is the idea, to completely demoralize and shock people into compliance. As things become ever more authoritarian and restrictive nobody knows what to do and where to escape to. I'm probably better informed than 99% of the Western population plus I speak several languages and I STILL have no idea where to escape to.

Ukraine like RCP? He doesn't even speak Russian and although he has family there the Russians may just expel all foreigners when (and not if) they roll up Eastern Ukraine. Serbia? Montenegro? Albania? I hear so many conflicting reports from digital nomads and expats that suggest the situation is too fluid in all of these places to qualify them as a legitimate option.

Many of us in this forum will have to face the very same choice, not in the far flung future but right now TODAY! I believe this question deserves its own thread and I hope it won't devolve into unproductive quibbling over details.

God help us...
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Definitely not ukraine. You’ll just be running from one problem to another one.
 
aeroektar

aeroektar

Pelican
If you want to leave, leave. But don't tell others that they need to leave too, or that they're doomed if they stay.

No one knows what's going to happen. The US is large and diverse in both demographics and landscape. It won't uniformly turn into Afghanistan, or South Africa, or whatever brown tribal shithole you want to claim. It's going to be unique.
 
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aeroektar said:
If you want to leave, leave. But don't tell others that they need to leave too, or that they're doomed if they stay.

No one knows what's going to happen. The US is large and diverse in both demographics and landscape. It won't uniformly turn into Afghanistan, or South Africa, or whatever brown tribal shithole you want to claim. It's going to be unique.
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Even if it does, leaving en masse is not the answer. It strikes me as pretty suspicious to say we must assume that plans by a malicious government will achieve the result they predict. Like it's a done deal or something. I guess if you have that defeatist attitude then you'll want to leave, but you're probably not going to find paradise anywhere else.

It's true, most of us... probably none of us are able to grasp, let alone prepare for the coming storm. Doesn't mean they should be allowed to herd us around like goats just out of fear.
 
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