It Is Time To Leave The West

hedonist

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Thanks. It is really easy to get down about this. Especially with the rising vax rates. Even in my own family my father took the vaxx and doesn't want to hear anything about the vaccines while my mother is very knowledgeable about it and won't get it. The ex-wife took one shot but is aware of dangers to the children. I hope this situation leads many people to reexamine their trust in government and media.

It's definitely not black and white....I think I've turned around my folks (my Mum didn't want the shot but got pushed into it) but my Dad seems to have turned when I've shown him the heart issues. Quite a few friends that have had the shot are completely against the boosters and what is happening with the passports etc.
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I don't think one should ever advocate mass migration. Especially if one of the reasons one wishes to leave one's own country is the influx of migrants...

There might be individual, personal reasons to leave one's country, telling everyone to flee isn't a good look.
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
I watched the video from the OP @holgerdanske

This might be a naive question but why is a war about to start with China?
There won't be any out and out war with China or anyone else. Countries do not fight conventional wars anymore, only some with big armies invade weaker nations who don't want to toe the line.
There's no need for conventional war anymore when you have populations subdued and completely helpless in worldly terms.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
There won't be any out and out war with China or anyone else. Countries do not fight conventional wars anymore, only some with big armies invade weaker nations who don't want to toe the line.
There's no need for conventional war anymore when you have populations subdued and completely helpless in worldly terms.
More and more I agree with this. It's almost an arms race for AI/surveillance state between countries comparing themselves to one another, rather than squaring off. Two things go against this though: 1) distraction when ponzi schemes hit the fan in China and/or USA and 2) real hegemony desires by countries like China, not so much the USA which wants to stifle population growth as much as it wants to control its people. The generational dynamics people would disagree completely, they commonly say it's inevitable that people forget the past, get their passions flaming, and go nuclear and you can't do anything about it. Hmm
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
I think the predominance of the kind of thinking that says "Oh, a war could never happen. It's all tech now!" coupled with a general attitude among US and Euro establishment politics that they are entitled to do whatever they want with no pushback is exactly why it is inevitable for that to happen.
I'd like it to be like that as well, but there hasn't been a real war between two or more nations fighting for God, king and country. If I was to fight for my country today, who would I be really fighting for?
 

Geo Martin

Woodpecker
Catholic
More and more I agree with this. It's almost an arms race for AI/surveillance state between countries comparing themselves to one another, rather than squaring off. Two things go against this though: 1) distraction when ponzi schemes hit the fan in China and/or USA and 2) real hegemony desires by countries like China, not so much the USA which wants to stifle population growth as much as it wants to control its people. The generational dynamics people would disagree completely, they commonly say it's inevitable that people forget the past, get their passions flaming, and go nuclear and you can't do anything about it. Hmm
If we were to analyse the real reasons behind wars since the abolition of functioning monarchies and hence the disolution of real nations, at least in Europe, we would find polar opposite differencies between what people were and are told and the truth.
If we are lied to about planes crashing on towers and pandemics, we are lied to about everything that the liars can get away with, which unfortunately is a lot.
 
There won't be any out and out war with China or anyone else. Countries do not fight conventional wars anymore, only some with big armies invade weaker nations who don't want to toe the line.
There's no need for conventional war anymore when you have populations subdued and completely helpless in worldly terms.

I'm sure China doesn't want an all out war with the US, but I'm also sure that China would love to degrade the US naval ability in SE Asia, so that China itself can control the sea lanes.

Taking Taiwan would be a major step for China to control the sea ways in the South China Sea, so I'm sure they want it. China will probably just take over Taiwan when the US is distracted by a Ukraine or something.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I'm sure China doesn't want an all out war with the US, but I'm also sure that China would love to degrade the US naval ability in SE Asia, so that China itself can control the sea lanes.

Taking Taiwan would be a major step for China to control the sea ways in the South China Sea, so I'm sure they want it. China will probably just take over Taiwan when the US is distracted by a Ukraine or something.
This has always been my point. I also think this is what the Japanese wanted to do more pointedly in WWII, but didn't calculate that by not really harming the US all that much big picture, drew them foolishly into the war as a major player and finisher of the global problem that had been created.
 

Mrnickster

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
I disagree, there's still a very large sliding scale here.

If you have a bit of funds, you can easily set yourself up in a decent country property in somewhere like Ukraine for under 30,000usd.

You will be left the hell alone out there, and can grow food and buy local from other growers - no kind of vax mandate will find its way out to these places.

The infrastucture in the country is pretty awful, meaning bad roads, electricity problems, just very undeveloped. This may seem like a negative, but on the flip side, you will not have anyone from the state getting up in your business at all.

So yes, mandates will likely come in the cities, people will en masse pay for forged docs, and the State likely wont really want to prosecutre too many people, because they dont want to scare the horses of a notoriously ready to kick off population, while still appearing to

None of your pronouncements on Ukraine have any basis in reality whatsoever. You've been posting this sort of shrill Putin fanboy stuff for ages now, that last one about "Ukraine being a Nazi state" was your magnus opus thus far.

Ukraine is in a literal conflict with Russia. Its territory has been attack and its people have been displaced. Do you really think they're going to be friendly to a foreign aggressor? Why wouldnt Ukrainian nationalists hate Russia? Theyve been invaded by them, their people are fighting them. They may've come from towns that have fallen to them. I dont know what you'd expect them to feel about that.

Russian is not 'banned', again, absurdist drivel. If you go to a government building, then yes you will have to fill out forms etc in Ukrainian, because you are in Ukraine. OMG the oppression!

As per being 'a nAzI sTaTe!', that is absurd to the point of parody. Theres basically zero police presence in day to day life here at all. Bit of a prerequisite for being a Nazi state i'd have thought. I have been here for 18 months in total, never once had a single converstation or dealing with any of them. Compare that with Spain previous year, where regularly get stopped by Guarda Civil, asked for ID, where are you going, what are you doing. 600 euro fines for 'unauthorised movement' being thrown around like confetti in a bullfight.

It is absolutely nothing like the Nanny-States of the West. There was one month of lockdown in the last 15. Even then gyms remained open, just put a closed sign up and had to phone reception to get let in. Restaurants & bars were operating on the QT on similar basis.

What happens here is that the government tapdances for NGO's / International Finance by putting policies in place, while not having either the resources or will to fully enforce them to the letter.

Fact is that vaxx-rates are very low here, and they'll be getting pressured hard to up their numbers, which is why this winter will be a lot more pressure applied. It will be the same anywhere with low numbers, the government are under pressure, so soon the people will be.

Ukraine is not some sort of shangrila, or place to escape the Globalist project, no one with half a brain would say it it is, but the shrill Putin fanboy stuff that gets habitually posted on sites like this is utter dross and needs refuting.

The irony that you're in Canada, with its policies against the unvaxxed, and railing against the 'nazi state of ukraine' is not lost either.
Very well said.
Escaped Chinada Nov 2 to live in Ukraine for the multiple reasons you gave.
Have been here several times in recent years, so my choice was an informed one.
There is no perfect location in these times.
I enjoy more freedom here than I had or would soon have had in Canada.
After Nov 30 unjabbed cannot leave Canada.
Kiev is an entity unto itself in Ukraine.
This is as far as most of the corrupt western banksters, diplomats, NGO's and other woke liberal troublemakers get in Ukraine.
Outside Kiev is another world where the people simply find work arounds.
As noted police interaction is near zero unless you bring it upon yourself through your own stupidity.
From here I can easily travel to Turkey for nice holiday, plus numerous other places with just a PCR test.
My previous travels from Canada were always on KLM. Just recently they created an interactive map that shows you where you can go depending on your status.
I was surprised by the variety of my options.
And even if KLM goes as the Dutch government goes, there is always Turkish Airlines.
Almost guarantee they will continue to allow you to fly with just test. They are picking up massive market share with this policy and their big network.
Some mention of CRP in the comments here. CRP did a livestream with Felixrex(Canadian expat) last week, along with Alex and Alexander from The Duran. Extended and interesting stream that covered a huge range of topics related to the various tyrannical goings on happening now.
Cost of living in Ukraine is low compared to Canada. Most food in Ukraine is locally grown and can be bought in street markets. In worst case you can go direct to villages to buy direct.

PS- The western media has lied to you about virtually everything over the past 2 years, and even before. Do not believe a damn thing they tell you about Russia. The whole western leadership and media class has Russia Derangement Syndrome.
I used to be afflicted by this, but having spent much time here in recent years I now know this is BS.
Majority outside Kiev want to restore relations with Russia.
Sorry to burst your RDS bubble.
Ukraine is a good place for single guys who can work remotely or operate some form of online business.
Good place to hunker down, find a good woman and carry on with your life.
Every rule and law has a solution here.
Contact me if you are a guy with any questions.
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
As this is somewhat of a Gonzalo Lira/CRP thread, he recently had a very interesting with Black Pigeon, Alexander Mercouris and Alex Christoforou.

The topics discussed are wide-ranging.

 
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