holgerdanske
Robin
To CRP's credit, he has repeatedly stated that he hopes he is wrong on those predictions. Maybe a clever hedge but it is up to us to do our own thinking.
It Is Time To Leave The West
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Here, in Romania, foreigners feel well and are welcome. Also you could integrate easily for a job or better, a business. An American said is more freedom here than in US in this regard (own small business). So, yes, you could get a residence of five years.
MorganAlpha
Robin
Gonzalo Lira, the real name of "Coach Red Pill", is a talented Chilenian/American artist and certainly an intelligent man. However, one should always beware of anyone who claims they can predict the future. Simply because the future is too complicated to predict in normal circumstances, too many variables. So let's examine what he's claiming in that video.
1) Leftist democracy is on the rise in the West - Well, yes, but this has been the case since 1878 when Bismarck himself enacted socialist reforms in Germany. That was the beginning of state socialism. Post WWII and the 70s in particular literally almost all western democracies have in fact become left-wing social democracies. There was some slight resistance in the US, but with Obama we have confirmation that this too has weakened. The left-wing social democracy is the de-facto state of democracy for some time.
2) Leftist democracy is turning totalitarian - Whilst the current emergency corona measures around the world do have totalitarian overtones, and Lira makes much of that, it is inconceivable that emergency powers, clearly limited in scope and time by law, will not be given up when the fourth and final wave of the virus has disappeared. One should not compare the Bolsheviks, who were fighting a real aristocratic enemy with fanaticism, due to a clear ideology, with the disaparate currents trending western democracies who are using emergency powers to enact policies, admittedly false in many cases, but which the political class thinks are necessary. Indeed we already saw in the UK, and then the US, that once the virus threat is diminished restrictions are quickly lifted. The same will happen in Australia, Lira is not convincing here.
3) War with China - He is predicting war with China is imminent if not this year "within days" then next year. However, we have seen that even the top US military leadership in the form of Mark Milley is going out of its way to tell China that the US will not attack in top level talks. Trump himself confirmed he had no intention to attack China. Will Xi Jinping risk going to a war which, even if he wins, could destroy the Chinese economy and certainly risk nuclear war with the US? Over Taiwan? You never know, but this seems very unlikely. Particularly since China can grow its economy peacefully, build its silk road and establish hegemony in the long term. It is far from clear there will be a war with China.
I would not base my life decisions on a Youtube video made by Gonzalo Lira, who clearly has no top level insights or secret information, but instead bases his ideas on the flavour of the moment, coronavirus policies and tensions with China. What if you move to Cambodia and find out China is going to war? Doesn't sound like you'd be in a better place.
1) Leftist democracy is on the rise in the West - Well, yes, but this has been the case since 1878 when Bismarck himself enacted socialist reforms in Germany. That was the beginning of state socialism. Post WWII and the 70s in particular literally almost all western democracies have in fact become left-wing social democracies. There was some slight resistance in the US, but with Obama we have confirmation that this too has weakened. The left-wing social democracy is the de-facto state of democracy for some time.
2) Leftist democracy is turning totalitarian - Whilst the current emergency corona measures around the world do have totalitarian overtones, and Lira makes much of that, it is inconceivable that emergency powers, clearly limited in scope and time by law, will not be given up when the fourth and final wave of the virus has disappeared. One should not compare the Bolsheviks, who were fighting a real aristocratic enemy with fanaticism, due to a clear ideology, with the disaparate currents trending western democracies who are using emergency powers to enact policies, admittedly false in many cases, but which the political class thinks are necessary. Indeed we already saw in the UK, and then the US, that once the virus threat is diminished restrictions are quickly lifted. The same will happen in Australia, Lira is not convincing here.
3) War with China - He is predicting war with China is imminent if not this year "within days" then next year. However, we have seen that even the top US military leadership in the form of Mark Milley is going out of its way to tell China that the US will not attack in top level talks. Trump himself confirmed he had no intention to attack China. Will Xi Jinping risk going to a war which, even if he wins, could destroy the Chinese economy and certainly risk nuclear war with the US? Over Taiwan? You never know, but this seems very unlikely. Particularly since China can grow its economy peacefully, build its silk road and establish hegemony in the long term. It is far from clear there will be a war with China.
I would not base my life decisions on a Youtube video made by Gonzalo Lira, who clearly has no top level insights or secret information, but instead bases his ideas on the flavour of the moment, coronavirus policies and tensions with China. What if you move to Cambodia and find out China is going to war? Doesn't sound like you'd be in a better place.
Easy_C
Peacock
The idea that "restrictions will be quickly lifted" is one I find dubious at best. There's a wealth of material from official "think tank" locations and influencers to indicate that the intended public policy directions is to make lockdown life permanent, end commuting, replace physical currency with a cryptocurrency that the government can fully track and turn off at any time (openly touted as such in the UK), and enact complete control using an app-based social credit system. In Australia there's absolutely no indication that restrictions will be lifted at any time in the foreseeable future and instead they're touting things like increasing your allowed exercise time from 60 minutes to 90 minutes.
I think it's foolish to dismiss the possibility of war with China BUT it will take longer than he thinks to manifest. One major driver is that we've had major, traceable investments by the usual suspects into China....that have counted for absolutely nothing because the Chinese retain the right to nationalize any firm at any time. It turns out that in China just because you buy equity ownership of something doesn't mean you actually control it. Furthermore they're operating their economy on as much full steam as they can which brings them in conflict with the Great Resetters who want the entire world under "global governance".
Keep in mind Gonzalo isn't always right. For example he predicted Trump would step down from the presidency to try to save some his own image (I predicted, after skimming his book, that he was a legacy builder and would act accordingly). He has a tendency to misread motivations and drivers sometimes but his fundamental point (that the US has experienced a soft-coup by a bureaucratic class seeking to establish communism by another name) and that the window to leave is closing is not wrong.
I think it's foolish to dismiss the possibility of war with China BUT it will take longer than he thinks to manifest. One major driver is that we've had major, traceable investments by the usual suspects into China....that have counted for absolutely nothing because the Chinese retain the right to nationalize any firm at any time. It turns out that in China just because you buy equity ownership of something doesn't mean you actually control it. Furthermore they're operating their economy on as much full steam as they can which brings them in conflict with the Great Resetters who want the entire world under "global governance".
Keep in mind Gonzalo isn't always right. For example he predicted Trump would step down from the presidency to try to save some his own image (I predicted, after skimming his book, that he was a legacy builder and would act accordingly). He has a tendency to misread motivations and drivers sometimes but his fundamental point (that the US has experienced a soft-coup by a bureaucratic class seeking to establish communism by another name) and that the window to leave is closing is not wrong.
MorganAlpha
Robin
Looks like it just started:
"With queues at the pubs and beauty salons, Sydney reopens after more than 100 days in lockdown
Thousands defied grey skies to flock to newly-reopened cafes, barbers and gyms to kick off what some have described as ‘freedom day’"
With queues at the pubs and beauty salons, Sydney reopens after more than 100 days in lockdown
Thousands defied grey skies to flock to newly-reopened cafes, barbers and gyms to kick off what some have described as ‘freedom day’
www.theguardian.com
We have also seen how the UK, and to some extent the US, lifted restrictions when numbers came down. Once the fourth wave is over this nonsense will wind down for sure. Making lockdown life permanent would be a massive disaster for tens of thousands of businesses after all, it just wouldn't make sense, though no doubt some nutcases would want that.
We'll see about China, I'm not dismissing the possibility, but on the balance of probabilities, looking at the top US generals actions and all that China stands to lose, it is more likely it will not come to pass.
Even if some bureaucrats do have totalitarian overtones to their policies, I doubt communism will be put in place in the US. Leftwing policies, sure, all over the place, but these things go in waves, I doubt the leftist lunacy will last long. Metoo is already as good as dead.
Once they get upto 75 percent vaxxed, the 'freedom' returns.
The behavioural patterns and the spike proteins have been sown.
In the UK the media are already amping up the food shortages for Christmas psy op.
If it wont be further acceleration of this itll be Marbung.
The point is with the current Elites in control, and the apparatus of State being strong, if its not one thing leading towards Great Reset, itll be another.
CRP is right re the wisdom of living in lands that are poor and have a weak and small state.
The behavioural patterns and the spike proteins have been sown.
In the UK the media are already amping up the food shortages for Christmas psy op.
If it wont be further acceleration of this itll be Marbung.
The point is with the current Elites in control, and the apparatus of State being strong, if its not one thing leading towards Great Reset, itll be another.
CRP is right re the wisdom of living in lands that are poor and have a weak and small state.
Easy_C
Peacock
I think that's one thing CRP is very wrong about.
You don't want to live in countries that "are poor". You want countries where the state is relatively weak. Poor is hardly the only measure of this...e.g. Vietnam and North Korea are both "poor" but have very strong state apparatuses that can easily enforce their dictates. Ironically enough I hear from people in Japan that it is also a country where the state is relatively weak. People just comply there because that's the culture more so than they do because of any enforcement apparatus the state has.
You don't want to live in countries that "are poor". You want countries where the state is relatively weak. Poor is hardly the only measure of this...e.g. Vietnam and North Korea are both "poor" but have very strong state apparatuses that can easily enforce their dictates. Ironically enough I hear from people in Japan that it is also a country where the state is relatively weak. People just comply there because that's the culture more so than they do because of any enforcement apparatus the state has.
You dont want to live in the developed West ultimately, as that is what is being set up for the Great Reset, and it has the resources, infrastucture and state to do so. Look at UK, how centralised, geographically small, tightly surveilled it is (was the most surveilled country by a distance from the late 90s on).
Compare that to rural Albania or Ukraine or Paraguay.
I know where i'd rather be for the next five years.
WhiteWolf
Robin
What makes you think that? There are many countries that are around 75% vaxxed like Italy, Spain, Netherlands, France, Germany etc...
Are these countries even remotely free? Netherlands just introduced QR codes for hotels, cafe's, restaurants, cinema, etc.... Italy wants mandatory vaxx for all jobs public and private.... France is completely tyrannical.
Easy_C
Peacock
Which is ultimately the same thing as a strong state. The government is only as strong as confidence in the government is, but that's more of a philosophical/economics discussion.
Here's one counterpoint: I fall in the camp that a China war will happen (Although I think the window opens in 2024, not 2022. A lot can happen until then). Once it does expect much of the tech infrastructure that enables the security state to go bye bye.
Who will be the combatants?
US and allies vs China?
AKA WW3
Over Taiwan?
I must admit to not have followed it at all, but instinctively i'd say it doesnt make sense for any side.
WhiteWolf
Robin
An american would be much better off somewhere rural in the US. There is nowhere to run anymore, staying in your homeland and connecting with with likeminded rural people would be best.
An american even if he integrates, learns the language and finds a job he will be making on average maybe 700 euros a month... and a decent newly build, one bedroom apartment is at least 350 euro a month.
Unless he is paid by a foreign company in foreign currency or works online, an american is gonna struggle here, especially after being used to first world living standard.
I live in Romania too and i can't leave the house after 8 pm unless i fill in a government paper, in some cities you have to wear a mask OUTSIDE now, ...recently an alarm on my phone went off with a voice telling me to get vaccinated. This country is slowly going tyrannical too.
One of my parents is Romanian so i have some family here and i dont have to worry about work because years ago i invested in some real estate which i rent out. Otherwise no way i would go to Romania. Last year 200,000 (mostly young) people left the country...and thats just in one year!
You forgot that in such countries there will also be mercenaries hired by the other side which will try to protect itself.
Easy_C
Peacock
Root cause is that they want China to be part of the whole "Global Governance" project and the only way to make them do so will be via military force
Ref: "Global governance". Basically they want the UN to run policy unilaterally and globally. https://www.globalgovernanceproject.org/
I feel like Romania and Bulgaria are real, good options, unless you can somehow get a connection to Montenegro or Albania, but again the latter examples aren't romance languages so they have an extra added difficulty - though many of these places might know some English.
I just keep thinking geopolitical concerns are a larger risk for eastern europe/EU, which may or may not be accurate, but it's not close at all to the USA, either.
WhiteWolf
Robin
If i was forced to leave my country and had an online income i would go to Bosnia (repulica srpska region). Only 15% vaccinated, few muslims and not in the EU.
Then when my visa expires i would travel between Montenegro, Ukraine and Bulgaria.
However i dont see how one could cross borders without vax or a stick up your nose. I refuse pcr test, so crossing any border is out of the question for me.
I'm not going anywhere untill this madness ends, i dont trust the pcr test either, there is no reason to stick something that far up your nose and the test is a fraud anyway.
I also suspect that soon only vaccinated people are allowed to cross borders and travel by air.
When your visa expires in Banja Luka, please tell me you won't urgently run to Montenegro.
Just find some nice, smart public dude to bribe, and stay. I mean, if you can't find a Public Parasite, sorry, Servant, to bribe in Bosnia Herzegovina, it'd be cause to despair with mankind.
You wouldn't even have to look that hard, I guess. Not only is it the Balkans, but, it's Bosnia, a bandit State. And within Bosnia, it's an almost separatist entity. I'm quite confident you'd find the right Public Servant.
^ Au contraire. This headline actually confirms the opposite of freedom. "Freedom day" is only for those who have capitulated to the blackmail and taken the va((ine.Looks like it just started:
"With queues at the pubs and beauty salons, Sydney reopens after more than 100 days in lockdown
Thousands defied grey skies to flock to newly-reopened cafes, barbers and gyms to kick off what some have described as ‘freedom day’"
With queues at the pubs and beauty salons, Sydney reopens after more than 100 days in lockdown
Thousands defied grey skies to flock to newly-reopened cafes, barbers and gyms to kick off what some have described as ‘freedom day’
"only those who are fully vaccinated can partake in the new freedoms"