Japan Eases Immigration Rules for Foreign Workers
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Batka said:
You can have a good time, but you need to be smart about it. The work environment is a horrific meat grinder. If you don't speak the language well you won't be able to get any decent jobs, and you're looking at at least 2-3 years of hard work to get anywhere with it. If you just walk in thinking "Hot girls! Pussy paradise!" you'll get destroyed.
As others have said, there are EXTREMELY few American/European immigrants in Japan because A.) the work environment is shit. B.) The language is a brutal monster. C.) It's a pay cut and a quailty of life downgrade versus what you can get in the US. Immigrants are mostly Asians, with a few Africans and indians/arabs who seem to keep to themselves. Asians will probably assimilate, but I'm not sure about assimilation for those who aren't asian. I've never seen a Japanese girl dating an African or an Indian. Dating an American, at least one who's not a dorky slob, is something of a status symbol, but I have to think marrying somebody from Nigeria would be considered pretty embarrassing.
As for this immigration thing, I'm going to take a wait and see attitude. I remember people saying the same thing when they released the fast track citizenship rules, and those ended up requiring an ultra-difficult language certification, a minimum income of 100k a year, an MBA, or possibly multiple patents. I've never even heard of anybody getting citizenship with one of those.
They learned the hard way back in the days of importing Brazilians who had "a drop of Japanese blood" to work unskilled positions in their car factories. Most of them just started selling drugs and stolen goods to each other.
They learned the hard way with the Nigerians being imported by the Yakuza to run bar scams.
The Turks being used to get rid of Japanese vehicles.
Abe is a pretty smart and has a DGAF attitude. If anyone was to pass something that is well thought out and much less likely to be taken advantage of, this would be it.
Even things like visa free travel for Indians on JAL became an issue as many just ended up staying and finding their ways into the Yokohama sweatshops.
Team wait and see. I don't think it will be an issue though.
They learned the hard way with the Nigerians being imported by the Yakuza to run bar scams.
The Turks being used to get rid of Japanese vehicles.
Abe is a pretty smart and has a DGAF attitude. If anyone was to pass something that is well thought out and much less likely to be taken advantage of, this would be it.
Even things like visa free travel for Indians on JAL became an issue as many just ended up staying and finding their ways into the Yokohama sweatshops.
Team wait and see. I don't think it will be an issue though.
HornyRamone said:
Those are fair arguments, however what leaves me cautiously optimistic is that a) unlike the US/Canada/Australia/NZ Japan is an ethnostate and b) unlike the European countries they are absolutely unapologetic about it. Maybe I'll be wrong and it'll turn out no different than it has in the west (even then, getting overrun by Vietnamese is a hell of a lot better than getting overrun by MS-13 or ISIS) but the Japanese give no fucks so for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they've thought this through carefully and will manage it in a way that benefits and will help perpetuate their culture.
At the end of the day, if there are no more Japanese left then Japanese culture is dead anyway, whether there are only Vietnamese and Chinese living there or no one at all.
This is like S. Korea's program where they issue a special visa (E-9) to people from 15 Asian countries that allows them to work there for five years. It's restricted to people between the ages of 18-38 with no criminal records, a clean bill of health and the business permit and hiring confirmation letter from the Korean company that hired them. A couple of problems are that some disappear into the underground and some find the job they worked there doesn't translate to whatever's available at home. Not perfect but far better than the free for all we have in the west.
LEMONed IScream
Ostrich
I would not be worried. I have doubts they will even fill that quota along the 5 years.
Recently saw some survey, an immigration ranking, I believe it was for Filipinos and had dozens of countries they traditionally migrate to. Japan was dead last. It is simply not a very migrant friendly country, honestly, it is often quite "hostile" in terms of work-life balance to its own citizens, so it somewhat "makes sense" it would be even worse for immigrants.
Recently saw some survey, an immigration ranking, I believe it was for Filipinos and had dozens of countries they traditionally migrate to. Japan was dead last. It is simply not a very migrant friendly country, honestly, it is often quite "hostile" in terms of work-life balance to its own citizens, so it somewhat "makes sense" it would be even worse for immigrants.
Japan is seriously overcrowded as well. Think about this: Japan and Russia have a similar population except Japan is 45 times smaller. They need more people like I need a freaking hole in my head.
Pride male
Hummingbird
Why do whites like Japan so much? What about Pearl Harbour and the Sandakan death marches? No one thinks of Japanese as savages despite the raping of Nanking.
Pride male said:
Great food, pleasant women, amazing culture and an all-around beautiful country.
The Japanese also are not grudge-holders, and for the most part they've forgotten about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Pearl Harbor has no relevance anymore, either. Let sleeping dogs lie.
LEMONed IScream
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Just an example of several campaigns by the Japanese government to repopulate countryside areas, they have millions of vacant houses, they're even giving some away for free in countryside locations, which naturally require a lot of work and repairs done on then. Their problem is not as much the depopulation itself, it's the death of entire communities.
Just an example of several campaigns by the Japanese government to repopulate countryside areas, they have millions of vacant houses, they're even giving some away for free in countryside locations, which naturally require a lot of work and repairs done on then. Their problem is not as much the depopulation itself, it's the death of entire communities.
TigerMandingo said:
Its not necessarily about more people, but being able to dictate where the people go. If foreign workers in healthcare get a visa, it will be to the countryside areas where elders are heading into long term care. That demographic arc is going to need care now, and robots are not quite there yet.
For the Japanese young people, its almost impossible to avoid the suction of Tokyo and Osaka. That region has more people than they know what to do with, but a 45min train ride out of those regions puts you into some sad areas with abandoned schools and vacant homes.
In an odd twist, it has been foreigners that have made some small towns cool. Some young guys get sent to the countryside to teach English in the JET program, fall in love with a girl and rave about it online. It becomes a bit of a magnet for teachers, Japanese wives to foreign men hook up some of their friends with single foreigners and one of the foreigners opens a pub and next thing you know there is a small but growing demographic of 30yo's with families. I certainly noticed that in places with good access like Shonan and Nagano. Beautiful, picturesque little towns with 0% crime and an aging population.
Sometimes it takes westerners ideas to show the Japanese that there is another way. And part of me thinks demographics is one of these things.
A country that has been in a recession for 25 years is not an attractive destination for skilled foreign employees. I personally like to keep an eye on Japan since it is a pioneer in the adaptation of technology, and is a sign of things to come.
TigerMandingo said:
Grudge-holding? You must be joking. On what possible grounds could the Japanese be holding a grudge? They should be bowing down and kissing the feet of every white man that comes near their vicinity given the circumstances under which the war started, their conduct and atrocities during it, their total and absolute defeat at the hands of the Americans, and the miraculously merciful treatment they received upon their surrender.
The war ended when the Americans had almost completely defeated Japanese conventional forces and in a final coup the grace split the fucking atom in the skies over Japanese cities. It was perhaps the most dramatic, complete, overwhelming victory one people had ever achieved over another. What the Americans could have- and in my opinion should have-done upon their victory is completely tear down Japanese elites and replace them with a kind of feudal system where the lords are all Western expatriates. The Japanese economy should have been de-industrialized and reduced to subsistence agriculture and cottage industries. The whole island should have been turned into a hybrid of 'air strip one' and pussy paradise.
If you think that's harsh imagine the fate of our people under Japanese rule should the war have ended with a correspondingly complete Japanese victory. Given that the Americans defeated the Japanese in a war the Japs started and instead of punishing them gave them self rule and brought them the greatest prosperity they have ever enjoyed, the notion that the Japanese are "not holding a grudge" as some kind of demonstration of great character is perhaps the most insane, laughable thing I've ever heard.
PS: And for what it's worth, I love the Japanese and bear them no ill will. It's just that logically and historically speaking, when you defeat the enemy totally then you are basically justified in doing with them whatever you want under Natural Law. The Japanese certainly felt this way, given their war crimes, "comfort women," and other innumerable atrocities they committed without even waiting to see if they'd actually win the war. "Vae victis" is the rule not the exception and the Japanese are lucky to have been occupied by white Westerners and not Chinese, Arabs, or let alone Africans.
Higgs Bosun said:
Jesus.... take it easy Chuck Norris.
You sound like a sociopath.
TigerMandingo said:
Nice ad hominem. Still, I'll take sociopath over 'fucking moron' which fits you nicely.
rudebwoy said:
Yeah I don't think any of them think about that, or care. Post WW2 the US engaged in mass brainwashing of the highest order and it was pretty successful.
You can go into any major Japanese bookstore and see lots of books from the right-wing bitching about the brainwashing performed by the GHQ (MacArthur's post-war government), books that as far as I know, nobody really reads.
It's ancient, ancient history at this point. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there are middle school students in Japan right now who don't know that World War 2 happened.
Pride male said:
Cause Japanese folk are rather well civilized.
I once read that during the Apartheid years of South Africa. Japanese folk could get around equivalent to that of white folk due to their viable nature & conduct.
Also, why worry about Imperial Japanese from ~70 years ago, when it is the Chinese today who are willing & able to use & abuse Africa...?