Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
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Easy_C
Peacock
That said I don't think America could ever be that. For starters it was founded by people who have some rather "interesting" secret and not so secret society connections (e.g. Masons, Royal Institute that Darwin was also a part of). Second it's always had underlying racial divisions that those in power have exploited even before the country ever became an independent nation. Japan has neither of those factors present.
Lunostrelki
Kingfisher
Easy_C said:
I think that deep down, the Japanese are more worried about the Koreans and Chinese who look the most similar to them, than they are of any other kind of foreigner. If not guarded against, the mainland NE Asians could covertly infiltrate, subvert, and dissolve their culture in a way that would be wholly impossible for people of other races. Kind of like how British people don't like to think of themselves as European, but even more extreme.
This fear is probably ancient and thus deeply ingrained: 2,000 years ago, the Japanese had a pretty distinct ethnic and religious tradition, the Jomon. Pretty much all that's left of this culture are some aesthetic traces and shadows, since the arrival of mainland settlers from China and Korea (the Yayoi period) basically sinicized Japan. Any more sinicization and there might not be a "Japan" left.
durangotang
Ostrich
Here's an overly stylized and fun history of Japan for anyone interested. I have no idea how accurate it is, but I presume the basic facts and dates are correct:
Trumpian said:
Agreed. However I given their low inflation rather than deflation. I'd say the BOJ with their monetary manipulation succeeded to a certain extent in keeping Japan from improving further along than it could.
From my understanding, a Canadian living in Japan, who is not at all worried about the stereotypical concerns for Japan :
The Black Knight
Pelican
I really admire how well the Japanese run their society and how fiercely they protect their own culture from toxic outside forces.
In Japan from what I understand, the government is paying people to move to the countryside, giving them houses for nothing, and even giving them money to have kids. They understand clearly that they need more solid family units and they need to spread people/economic activity out more. Sometimes when I day dream, I think about moving to some medium size town with great scenery in Japan and living the good life in a civilized society.
In the US by contrast, many state/local governments give illegals generous welfare benefits so they can have massive families with my tax dollars; tax dollars that could be used to support my own future family or fellow Americans. As a veteran who has dealt with the fucked up VA system and who has visited homeless shit covered infested San Francisco, we have PLENTY of things to worry about without illegals around as it is. But the US is filled with people who hate their own culture, hate traditional Americans, and hate themselves (ex: a lot liberal white people; who suffer from manufactured white guilt). Moving to many parts of the US countryside fills me with dread; seeing hollowed-out ghost towns and drug addicts everywhere. And the cities are liberal expensive shit holes; even in many conservative states.
I feel like a foreigner in my own country at times; so much so that I will drive further away from the city when completely un-necessary for shopping just to see Real America... to feel some sense of commonality and community again. But as the years pass, I'm having to drive further and further out; as the parasites breed like rats and move-in from their own fucked up states like California. One day, and I feel that day is coming sooner rather than later, I won't be able to drive further out to get that good feeling back. The road will simply end and that will be that.
I doubt the modern Japanese have ever experience that feeling. And they will never have to probably. I hope for the most part, they never change.
In Japan from what I understand, the government is paying people to move to the countryside, giving them houses for nothing, and even giving them money to have kids. They understand clearly that they need more solid family units and they need to spread people/economic activity out more. Sometimes when I day dream, I think about moving to some medium size town with great scenery in Japan and living the good life in a civilized society.
In the US by contrast, many state/local governments give illegals generous welfare benefits so they can have massive families with my tax dollars; tax dollars that could be used to support my own future family or fellow Americans. As a veteran who has dealt with the fucked up VA system and who has visited homeless shit covered infested San Francisco, we have PLENTY of things to worry about without illegals around as it is. But the US is filled with people who hate their own culture, hate traditional Americans, and hate themselves (ex: a lot liberal white people; who suffer from manufactured white guilt). Moving to many parts of the US countryside fills me with dread; seeing hollowed-out ghost towns and drug addicts everywhere. And the cities are liberal expensive shit holes; even in many conservative states.
I feel like a foreigner in my own country at times; so much so that I will drive further away from the city when completely un-necessary for shopping just to see Real America... to feel some sense of commonality and community again. But as the years pass, I'm having to drive further and further out; as the parasites breed like rats and move-in from their own fucked up states like California. One day, and I feel that day is coming sooner rather than later, I won't be able to drive further out to get that good feeling back. The road will simply end and that will be that.
I doubt the modern Japanese have ever experience that feeling. And they will never have to probably. I hope for the most part, they never change.
Pride male
Hummingbird
Do they have Welfare there?
redbeard said:
That's really interesting. Japan's birthrate was above 2.0 as recently as 2007? I'm surprised, but it reinforces the sexlessness of the country in the 2010s. These days, half of those 20-something beauties you see walking around the streets of Tokyo are getting NO sex, and many of them are even virgins. Yes, even many of the dolled up 7s and 8s. Bizarre.
Pride male said:
Very little, and certainly not for migrants. Single mothers and the elderly have some measures to keep them from homelessness, but it's not generous, and there is still stigma attached to getting it. Unemployment benefits are contingent on having had gainful employment for a sufficiently long stretch in the recent past, and cut off after a few months, no exceptions.
Yes it can be cheap to live in Japan outside of the favored zone of Tokyo. But as for migrating there and living frugally, you can't. Maybe if you make like the Nigerians and marry for residency.
I don't believe all the shit I hear about Japan. Every expat I know there in large cities say you see lots of kids. They also tell me that on a saturday night the love hotels are booked full. That does not sound like a country full of betas who aren't fucking or having kids.
A little population shrinkage is a good thing for a tiny series of islands. Also, let's be real, the future wars are not gonna require millions of goons. It seems like special forces and intelligence operatives are already becoming the standard of warfare. This is not even to mention drones, computer viruses and all the other nasty shit that modern nations use to subvert eachother.
I'd say Japan is in a solid spot to go in whatever direction they like in the future. Do you guys really think that if the PM started agitating the populace and spreading propaganda that they needed a Japan with tons of young, virile, able-bodied men that we wouldn't see that Japan in 20 years? For every hikikomori loser, there are 20 normal Japanese dudes working and having living an actual life.
You guys can talk about feminism and this is that, but I'm just going to say that it's fundamentally incompatible with these nations like China and Japan where the foundation is uber conservative and masculine.
A little population shrinkage is a good thing for a tiny series of islands. Also, let's be real, the future wars are not gonna require millions of goons. It seems like special forces and intelligence operatives are already becoming the standard of warfare. This is not even to mention drones, computer viruses and all the other nasty shit that modern nations use to subvert eachother.
I'd say Japan is in a solid spot to go in whatever direction they like in the future. Do you guys really think that if the PM started agitating the populace and spreading propaganda that they needed a Japan with tons of young, virile, able-bodied men that we wouldn't see that Japan in 20 years? For every hikikomori loser, there are 20 normal Japanese dudes working and having living an actual life.
You guys can talk about feminism and this is that, but I'm just going to say that it's fundamentally incompatible with these nations like China and Japan where the foundation is uber conservative and masculine.
Pride male
Hummingbird
Japan is also what the west would be like without empires.
Fortis said:
The birth rate stats are not fake, and nor are they out of the ordinary compared to other developed nations.
What is happening in Japan is that demographic decline is focused on the countryside and regional areas. Tokyo is still thriving and will be for some time, as it sucks up the last available drops of blood from the rest of the country. I saw projections that Tokyo's population is in the very last years of increase, and will start to decline in the early 2020s. Even then, that decline will be most evident in the outer areas. Of course Shinjuku and Shibuya will still be buzzing in 2040.
But right now Osaka/Kansai is barely holding its own, I think the same for Fukuoka, but most of the country is visibly in a decline which is actually quite depressing in many areas.
So yes obviously if you go to many areas and happen to pass a school or a park there will be loads of kids. Doesn't invalidate the reality though.
It is a tough transition but they will be OK. In the middle of this century I expect Japan to be a place of wonder with a more manageable population size, automation and robotic workforce, low crime and fiercely proud people as they watch the western world in chaos and feel sorry for us poor tourists as we come to gawk at what they have.
Pride male
Hummingbird
Is there any chance Japan will try to conquer the world like they did in the last century? God help us if they do. They would Nanking the whole world.
There is zero chance Japan will try to conquer the world as they have no army, no navy and no military at all as per the conditions of their surrender terms of world war 2. The USA keeps military bases in Japan to protect them.
Ditto for Germany
Ditto for Germany
eradicator said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-class_helicopter_destroyer
What you said is more propaganda / fiction than truth.
They now have Aircraft carriers bigger than the ones they had in WW2 and can laucnh F-35s.
Their standing army is also bigger than Ukraine and most countries - even though Japan isn't in a middle of a war nor can anyone threaten them with an invasion.
Japanese are slowly bidding their time until they create another Empire.
I watched Lost in Translation, and I think the Japs are harmless people-- it's cute shit, them being diplomatic as fuck, looking nice for the camera, apologetic, bowing, etc... Maybe they are nice people, maybe they aren't...
But, to the topic at hand: Japan is unlike the West, in the sense that they won't let in foreigners... But they're letting in foreigners as of this year... They say (media) that it's the result of poor birthrates, but that's bullshit-- they want young, virile chads from the 2nd/3rd world.
But, to the topic at hand: Japan is unlike the West, in the sense that they won't let in foreigners... But they're letting in foreigners as of this year... They say (media) that it's the result of poor birthrates, but that's bullshit-- they want young, virile chads from the 2nd/3rd world.
RawGod said:
My contribution starts in the second paragraph.
