Japanese people not reproducing

cascadecombo

Ostrich
semibaron said:
In my opinion, Japan is getting bashed far too, especially when comparing to other Western countries.

I'm in Fukuoka right now and see everyday relative young Japanese women with 1-2 children. Also I see a lot of guys approaching chicks on the streets. Current birthrate is around 1.4 child/woman and this without any immigrants.

Now compare this to your average Western European country. Let's pick Germany. When have you seen the last time a woman below the age of 30 with a child? Does any guy has the guts to approach girls? I don't think so. Germany, Spain and a whole lot of other countries also only have a birthrate of ~1.4 children/woman, BUT with a lot of young immigrants, who simply reproduce at a higher speed.

So, at least for me, Japan is doing much better than at least Western Europe.

Guys here, and in the western internet land love to continue the Japan is weird stereotype.

Either they're too afraid to go to a country where they can't event pretend to read the signs, can't afford it or are closeted japophiles.

Just like in the West there are some dudes who don't get paid or can't get girls, like some members when they first came here [and others who still can't :banana: ]

What I do know is trying to show thay their stereotype is wrong and just plain doesn't entertain anyone, and all most people care about is being entertained. Hence the love of sports in the western world.
 

questor70

Ostrich
bbgun said:
Girls don't shave their pubes over there. That's a huge turnoff.

Most don't have enough public hair to look gross anyway, plus they tend to have this cool STRAIGHT public hair that pools in sort of a mohawk.
 

redpillage

Ostrich
Gold Member
questor70 said:
bbgun said:
Girls don't shave their pubes over there. That's a huge turnoff.

Most don't have enough public hair to look gross anyway, plus they tend to have this cool STRAIGHT public hair that pools in sort of a mohawk.

It's pubic hair - public hair is the one on your head.
 

questor70

Ostrich
redpillage said:
questor70 said:
bbgun said:
Girls don't shave their pubes over there. That's a huge turnoff.

Most don't have enough public hair to look gross anyway, plus they tend to have this cool STRAIGHT public hair that pools in sort of a mohawk.

It's pubic hair - public hair is the one on your head.

Sorry. I guess I just don't type pubic that often.
 

Bushido

Ostrich
Gold Member
bbgun said:
Girls don't shave their pubes over there. That's a huge turnoff.

Interestingly enough, most girls I have been with in the last few months DO shave. And I haven't seen a single full bush yet. Times are changing. Only a few years back I remember Japanese girls saying they were shy to shave because of bathing in public.

Maybe I wrote this elsewhere but, I think it bears repeating as this is pussy we are talking about. ;)
 

Bushido

Ostrich
Gold Member
semibaron said:
In my opinion, Japan is getting bashed far too, especially when comparing to other Western countries.

I'm in Fukuoka right now and see everyday relative young Japanese women with 1-2 children. Also I see a lot of guys approaching chicks on the streets. Current birthrate is around 1.4 child/woman and this without any immigrants.

Now compare this to your average Western European country. Let's pick Germany. When have you seen the last time a woman below the age of 30 with a child? Does any guy has the guts to approach girls? I don't think so. Germany, Spain and a whole lot of other countries also only have a birthrate of ~1.4 children/woman, BUT with a lot of young immigrants, who simply reproduce at a higher speed.

So, at least for me, Japan is doing much better than at least Western Europe.

This. I am bored of talking to people who talk about "sexless Japan" and the supposedly low birthrate here. It's no lower than most of the (caucasian population, not the invaders) western countries. The biggest issue for your average Taro is it's just too damn expensive having kids here in the hyper-competitive urban jungle that is Tokyo. Remember that taxes are much lower but that means next to no welfare. Japanese women are generally great.
 

Zerdame

Woodpecker
Bushido said:
semibaron said:
In my opinion, Japan is getting bashed far too, especially when comparing to other Western countries.

I'm in Fukuoka right now and see everyday relative young Japanese women with 1-2 children. Also I see a lot of guys approaching chicks on the streets. Current birthrate is around 1.4 child/woman and this without any immigrants.

Now compare this to your average Western European country. Let's pick Germany. When have you seen the last time a woman below the age of 30 with a child? Does any guy has the guts to approach girls? I don't think so. Germany, Spain and a whole lot of other countries also only have a birthrate of ~1.4 children/woman, BUT with a lot of young immigrants, who simply reproduce at a higher speed.

So, at least for me, Japan is doing much better than at least Western Europe.

This. I am bored of talking to people who talk about "sexless Japan" and the supposedly low birthrate here. It's no lower than most of the (caucasian population, not the invaders) western countries. The biggest issue for your average Taro is it's just too damn expensive having kids here in the hyper-competitive urban jungle that is Tokyo. Remember that taxes are much lower but that means next to no welfare. Japanese women are generally great.

Western media loves their 'sexless' Japan stories. I read an article like that in the Tsutaya starbucks at Shibuya and then hold my girlfriend's hand and march up Dogenzaka 15mins later. Ahh I love Dogenzaka or the roads directly behind the Toho cinema in Shinjuku:banana:
 

lookslikeit

Woodpecker
They don't bang because I have not been yet to the country. Just wait till I get there and you'll see how all the females will become sexually active.

Just kidding... But thinking about it: Maybe they do as much as in the US or Europe. Are there really any stats to it? Are most regular folks sexually active in the US (as in doing real sex regularly and not just actively looking)
 
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
I have no idea what the fuck is going on there. No significant feminism, no fat epidemic, no state meddling into the usual domestic issues... yet a quarter of their males have gone herbivore and now it seems that even more women are doing the same. I don't think it's just due to corporate culture and difficult life - it's a mystery!

What's particularly puzzling is that we think that "attraction is not a choice", yet it's a country full of people who are saying "meh, attraction isn't worth it". I can't imagine what would cause so many young people - who don't yet have to worry about marriage, children and obligations to be affected by depression - to completely lose their gina tingles and the natural male drive for banging hot women.

In Denmark, you don't bang women. In Japan, women don't bang YOU!

It's a combination of high costs of living, declining job conditions and pay (sound familiar?), living in a culture that values women at cost, and being surrounded by ubiquitous examples of feminine grace and fashion--in sum:

1. Japanese men have to marry their company (though they are rewarded much more than an American worker stiff).

2. Not having a media programming male horn dogs.

3. An abundance of high quality women.

4. Socially inept society that is ostracizing. (Day game has ancient roots there, but is laughable in quality, ensuring arrest in a Western nation.)
 
Those old “sexless Japan” articles never get old. It’s amazing how journalists can continue to put out this narrative that is shortsighted at best and intellectually dishonest at worst. The gentlemen here have already covered majority of the ideas as to why the birthrate is lower than before.

Still, it leaves one wondering what will be the state of the country. It’s quite astounding how insulated the culture CAN be when presented with an outside “threat.” Honestly, I think one of the major reasons why the country puts up this front of “internationalization” or “globalism” is so that they don’t fall too economically behind. In this day and age, the leaders know they have to play ball to a certain degree with foreign agents in order to meet their desired goals. But outside of that, the changing of how the bread is buttered is downright slow or nonexistent. With the declining numbers of students studying abroad and (despite years of regimented school curriculums) English learning goals are still relatively low compared to the years of exposure to the language, it seems as if the country is doing just enough to present the ILLUSION of change without really doing much. Although I mentioned in another thread that some Western malaise is seeping in, the old breed generally know how to keep the globalist barbarians at the gates.

So what does that mean for us? Well, we can continue on as usual. Honestly, if you come here, the competition between “outsiders” is so low, it’s almost laughable. The men of RVF who specialize in that area can attest to that. Most foreign characters here are mired in manga and mediocrity to pose any sort of real competition, and if you have some modicum of the language, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. So let the Western media keep spinning the same “weird Japan” articles all they want. Its keeps a good amount of riffraff out and leaves men with means a playground in which they become better versions of themselves.
 

EndsExpect

Kingfisher
Wealth of Spirit said:
So what does that mean for us? Well, we can continue on as usual. Honestly, if you come here, the competition between “outsiders” is so low, it’s almost laughable. The men of RVF who specialize in that area can attest to that. Most foreign characters here are mired in manga and mediocrity to pose any sort of real competition, and if you have some modicum of the language, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. So let the Western media keep spinning the same “weird Japan” articles all they want. Its keeps a good amount of riffraff out and leaves men with means a playground in which they become better versions of themselves.

The same type of people who gravitate towards Hollywood writing also gravitate towards journalism. Now, I can't explain why but these jackoffs have for entire generations tried to desexualize Asian men in the same way they try to hypersexualize African guys.

Anybody else notice this trend?
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
EndsExpect said:
Wealth of Spirit said:
So what does that mean for us? Well, we can continue on as usual. Honestly, if you come here, the competition between “outsiders” is so low, it’s almost laughable. The men of RVF who specialize in that area can attest to that. Most foreign characters here are mired in manga and mediocrity to pose any sort of real competition, and if you have some modicum of the language, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. So let the Western media keep spinning the same “weird Japan” articles all they want. Its keeps a good amount of riffraff out and leaves men with means a playground in which they become better versions of themselves.

The same type of people who gravitate towards Hollywood writing also gravitate towards journalism. Now, I can't explain why but these jackoffs have for entire generations tried to desexualize Asian men in the same way they try to hypersexualize African guys.

Anybody else notice this trend?

They (the jackoffs) have some form of guilt as a result of people they never knew getting enslaved by people they never knew.
 

not-a-pua

Woodpecker
Looks like this brave Japanese man trys to solve the birthrate problem all by himself.

https://archive.is/vHqwt

Japanese 'baby factory' dad wins custody of 13 Thai surrogate children
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Lawyer Kong Suriyamontol speaks to the press after his client, Mitsutoki Shigeta, wins paternity rights to the 13 children he fathered through Thai surrogates
Lawyer Kong Suriyamontol speaks to the press after his client, Mitsutoki Shigeta, wins paternity rights to the 13 children he fathered through Thai surrogates CREDIT: LILLIAN SUWANRUMPHA/AFP
By Nicola Smith, asia correspondent, taipei
20 FEBRUARY 2018 • 10:28AM
A Bangkok court has awarded a wealthy Japanese man “sole parent” rights to 13 children he fathered through surrogate mothers, paving the way for him to take custody of them all after dismissing fears he was involved in human trafficking.
Mitsutoki Shigeta, 28, the son of a rich IT tycoon, became the focus of a “baby factory” scandal in 2014 after the Thai police discovered he had fathered nine infants, aged between two weeks and two years old, who were being cared for by nannies in an upmarket Bangkok apartment.
The children, along with four others also fathered by Mr Shigeta, were placed under the care of the Thai state while Interpol investigated whether it was a case of human trafficking.
The police said at the time that he paid the surrogates between $9,300 and $12,500 each to carry his children.
Mr Shigeta left the country as the potential scandal unfolded, but took Thailand’s Ministry of Social Development and Human Security to court to fight for custody of the children.
Through his lawyer, he maintained that he simply wanted to have a large family and that he had the financial means to look after them.
The Bangkok court dismissed fears of human trafficking over the surrogacy case, instead ruling that Mitsutoki Shigeta just wanted a big family.
The Bangkok court dismissed fears of human trafficking over the surrogacy case, instead ruling that Mitsutoki Shigeta just wanted a big family. CREDIT: LILLIAN SUWANRUMPHA/AFP
Mr Shigeta “was born in a big family and wanted the children to grow up together,” the lawyer argued, adding that he also wanted his offspring to help run the family business.
Bangkok’s Central Juvenile Court on Tuesday upheld his claim after Thai officials checked that he had enough carers and facilities to give the children a good home.
“For the happiness and opportunities which the 13 children will receive from their biological father, who does not have a history of bad behaviour, the court rules that all 13 born from surrogacy to be legal children of the plaintiff,” it said in a statement.
The children are now set to join three other infants Mr Shigeta was granted custody of in 2015.
However, the controversy surrounding his case, and another where an Australian couple were accused of abandoning a surrogate baby born with Down’s Syndrome - the 'Baby Gammy' dispute - has led to Thailand banning commercial surrogacy for foreigners.
India, which once boasted a $400 million a year surrogacy industry, also banned international commercial surrogacy in 2015, over fears that vulnerable women were being exploited. Some clinics then opted to out-source business to neighbouring Nepal.
From Thailand, the so-called rent-a-womb business migrated to neighbouring Cambodia, which then barred the practice in 2016.
However, the industry now appears to be flourishing in communist Laos, one of Asia’s poorest countries.
Surrogacy is not illegal in the UK but it is subject to strict laws. It is a criminal offence to advertise that you are looking for a surrogate or willing to act as one. It is also an offence to broker a surrogacy deal on a commercial basis.
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
Bushido said:
Interestingly enough, most girls I have been with in the last few months DO shave. And I haven't seen a single full bush yet. Times are changing. Only a few years back I remember Japanese girls saying they were shy to shave because of bathing in public.
I know porn may have influenced me, but I greatly prefer the hairless look. Why have the flow of the body disrupted by hair or tattoos.

not-a-pua said:
Looks like this brave Japanese man trys to solve the birthrate problem all by himself.
https://archive.is/vHqwt
A Bangkok court has awarded a wealthy Japanese man “sole parent” rights to 13 children he fathered through surrogate mothers, paving the way for him to take custody of them all after dismissing fears he was involved in human trafficking.

Very respectable, though wombs aren't the only limiting factor to the Japanese birthrate, it is space and parental time. Though, I doubt two young children are twice as demanding as one.

That's one of the reasons I doubt artificial wombs will save K-selected cultures, as it only saves 6 months of work time for professional women.
 
CJ_W said:
Quintus Curtius said:
1. The stifling control and restrictions placed on people as a result of societal rules and etiquette.
2. A deeply pervasive corruption in public and government life where the big companies are in cahoots with the government, and you can't get ahead unless you play ball. The small business owner faces real hurdles.
3. . Too much peace rots away the soul of a people.
4. The increasingly difficult financial costs to raise a family and get along in Japanese society.

So. . . most of this is actually bullshit, same with the article. . .Yes there IS a problem. These points are pretty much the crux of the issue, the rest are bulshit and can be proven wrong just by living there for a couple of years and getting to know people, exlporing shit, traveling around the country etc. . .

the Main issue though is the economy. It's been in the toilet for 30 years, and with the 2008 worldwide economic crisis, Japan was actually hit HARD, hard enough to make people pretty much turn even MORE inward/conservative almost overnight. That and the cost of sex is rediculous. since the economy is crap and Japanese people live with their families untill they get married for the most part, the only place to have sex is a love hotel. Which can cost in upwards of 120-300+ bucks. Add that to the cost of taking a woman out a few times dealing with flakey B.S. Japanese women have gotten notoriously difficult to deal with since 2008. . .and the advent of facebook's popularity due to smart phones becoming the rage there. . .

case in point: Mixi was pretty much the facebook of Japan, and TONS of people used that to hook up with each other, but pretty much since the crash they've pretty much tried their hardest to stop people from meeting each other (failing misrable but yeah it was pretty rediculous)BAsically they were trying to compete with facebook as the iphones were coming in, and facebook has been invading through that avenue.

So with the cost of just HAVING sex being so rediculous, a lot of guys ARE saying "fuck it" and using pocket pussies etc to relieve themselves. . .

BUT

There's a lot that this article misses out on, and that most people don't know unless you actually live there, make freinds with people enouh that they drop that "tatemae" wall and give you the real info on what's going on there.

(I'm not going to go into too much specifics for privacy reasons, but let's just say. . .there's a LOT of sex going on in lots of everyday places that no journalist would ever get close enough to write a silly article about.)

You don't even have to go that far to realize that the VAST MAJORITY of men are. . .men there. Just go to a crowded Tokyo club on a weekend (Club Atom, Club Camelot for starters. . .both in Shibuya, go from 12PM on) There are TONS of dudes on a MISSION to get some sex that night. Most clubs DO NOT allow cameras, for video or otherwise unless the club gives explicit permission. Or its before the club actually opens (I have a few myself but that was before the club opened) But clubs would NEVER allow a journalist to come and video tape a club (for very practical, yet long winded reasons that I wont be going over here. . .I touched on them in previous posts). . .there are a few videos of clubs doin self promotion, but thats only on youtube/other online places that wont get the club in trouble.

The thing they are missing that it's not that guys aren't having sex with women. . .

THEY AREN'T HAVING CHILDREN WITH THEM.

That's pretty much the factors listed in the beginning of this post, with an emphasis on the cost of getting laid. . .it's actually GROSSELY CHEAPER for J guys to go to prostitutes that to date women. Prostitution is by far the largest industry in Japan. . .the only reason why westerners don't know about it, is that 99.9 percent of places dont allow non-Japanese people in(unless a Japanese regular brings you in, introuduces you to the establishment and gives you the OK. . .(again, from personal experience)), AND the ones that do, charge 2-3 times more, and have the worst/ugliest girls you can find)

There is a reason why I didnt mention the Japanese corporate work culture as a culprit:

Because
1) a LOT of guys get laid/find their wives through their job. . .its not frowned upon, its EXPECTED! A lot of women get jobs at companies JUST TO LAND A HUSBAND (this is good. . .and something that western media would NEVER get a chance to write about. . .and for good reason)

2)THE man basically lives and works for the company, This is bad. . .very bad, and one of the main reasons that Japanese folks arent having kids (you can actually find info on this) The other is a cultural reason. . .but its tied too strongly into the bad economy for me to give it a seperate section to talk about.

So no, the article is pretty much flat out wrong, young Men ARE having sex, or are trying very hard to have sex with women. A LOT more than what this article portrays. . .
A parallel, anti-male meme of Western media is that there is no sex for married people. Though technically true (j-people don't screw their wife), there are tons of services for men to have affairs or see high quality, cheap prostitutes (none of this crack whore, police in the bushes crap).
Sex is everywhere, but hidden.
 
I’m skeptical. The papers were saying the same when I was there. The meme was no sex in marriage. The truth was many affairs by the husband as an unspoken rule.

However jguys are dorks, the middle class is decreasing and the women are less sacrificing.

But there are no feminists and the USA media influence is negligible. It demonstrates that social decline is dynamic.
 
Japanese approaching is a joke. It is apologizing for rudeness by asking a woman straight out to have coffee. It occasionally works.
In the usa, not only would it not work, you would get arrested in fifteen minutes.
 
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