Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking
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Caduceus said:
I think it is the start of something big. What better why for people to get back at Epstein and other associated with them for prosecutions related to 'whatever the hell they were doing' on his trips?
I predict this has potential for all kinds of chaos within the Clinton circle of people. It may turn out that this is not Trump driving this, but someone looking to take the Clinton's out of politics for good. Maybe one of the democrats fearing a Clinton run in 2020 so they are going to drive that off the road with Bill Clinton involvement in whatever was going on Epstein.
As a side note, once it was known what Epstein was doing, and especially after his conviction so everyone knew, it was incredibly stupid for anyone to go on his plane or even visit him. Even if nothing was going or happened, showing that someone associated with Epstein it would be something that could be used to ruin a political career or someone's life.
^This is not the way elite politics works.
The people in these middling positions of power are not innocent hayseeds. Most of them have already done a fair bit of dick sucking and backstabbing just to get that far. An invitation to the Lolita express is not about buying you off and putting you in a cage at the same time. It's an invitation to the big leagues. The deal is simple. You dick a 15 year old girl in a room that's presumably bugged and you gain entry to the next level of the pyramid. Giving them blackmail on you is simply the door fee, which most of them are only too eager to pay.
Not only does this work to keep your servants compliant, it also keeps the rare decent men out of the picture. Some guy who gets on the plane and then politely declines the affections of the girls is going to see his career quietly dismantled over the next few months or years.
Even declining the invitation to the plane in the first place would be grounds to have your career stalled at very least.
The people in these middling positions of power are not innocent hayseeds. Most of them have already done a fair bit of dick sucking and backstabbing just to get that far. An invitation to the Lolita express is not about buying you off and putting you in a cage at the same time. It's an invitation to the big leagues. The deal is simple. You dick a 15 year old girl in a room that's presumably bugged and you gain entry to the next level of the pyramid. Giving them blackmail on you is simply the door fee, which most of them are only too eager to pay.
Not only does this work to keep your servants compliant, it also keeps the rare decent men out of the picture. Some guy who gets on the plane and then politely declines the affections of the girls is going to see his career quietly dismantled over the next few months or years.
Even declining the invitation to the plane in the first place would be grounds to have your career stalled at very least.
Cumlluminates
Woodpecker
Perhaps Trump has witnessed some of these sleazebags in action for 50 years and has gathered dirt on them. They're terrified!
Trump is not in the flight logs to pedo island or we would know that by now. He banned Epstein from Mar al Lago for inappropriate interaction with a minor. Undercover agent Trump, now that would be funny.
Trump is not in the flight logs to pedo island or we would know that by now. He banned Epstein from Mar al Lago for inappropriate interaction with a minor. Undercover agent Trump, now that would be funny.
Trump elevated Acosta, the piece of shit that handled Epstein's case and protected him, appointing him as his secretary of labor.
As to Cernovich, I would start giving him some credit if he dissociated himself from the likes of Dershowitz, who was a pedo island regular and one of the main tools protecting Epstein.
I think Epstein will go the same way as Weinstein, go down as the scapegoat, take the bullet for the tribe while the network keeps going.
As to Cernovich, I would start giving him some credit if he dissociated himself from the likes of Dershowitz, who was a pedo island regular and one of the main tools protecting Epstein.
I think Epstein will go the same way as Weinstein, go down as the scapegoat, take the bullet for the tribe while the network keeps going.
I don't think what Epstein did was OK, but I take issue with charges being filed after a plea deal and completion of the sentence. The US has a problem with this- offering "first offender" and "sealed sentences " getting people to agree to terms then subsequently reopening cases or changing terms after the fact. People agree to First offender or plea deal terms , then a decade later are charged with related crimes in another district- bad precedent to set. Again I do not agree with Epstein's behavior, but prosecutors should 6have two bites at the apple, especially after a plea deal was reached and completed- even if it was a slap on the wrist. I believe there was also some kind of financial settlement with the victims . They did this to Bill Cosby too, had him do a deposition in a civil case with a promise of no criminal charges, he paid a settlement - then they subsequently used the deposition in a criminal prosecution and the woman who recieved the settlement testified against him despite the settlement terms stating she would not. Bad precedent- not the legal system I would like to under as a US citizen. This will be interesting to watch play out, get your popcorn.....
Looks like RVF's own had a heavy hand in this (MikeCF)
We be a small group but its good to see on of our own give the world justice!
We be a small group but its good to see on of our own give the world justice!
VNvet said:
I doubt it as well. Nothing will come of this. At most there's something going on behind the scenes and old jeffers is going to have to carry the can for a bit, but it's all most likely a farce.
How he earned his money as well is well shady, as in, no one really knows. Shell companies, within shell companies. No idea.
One thing is for sure, no names will be named and no one in any position of power is going down. It would be the first time in man's history. Not going to happen. He's linked to 'ex-friend' Prince Andrew as well who dropped him quicker than a hot coal.
Will be interesting to see where Maxwell's daughter comes in to all this. She was obviously the female/madame side of the operation. Mossad connection? Who knows.
Seems like they were running the old bait and blackmail gig on those dumb enough to fall for it. And as has been noted I doubt Trump would have fallen for that. There's only so many "dead girls and live boys" you can get through in one sitting of satanic ritual.
But power is intoxicating, heady, disorientating, even. To just be around it makes you giddy. I had a taste of it the other week as I mentioned and it's really been bothering me ever since. I've long mused on the true nature of power; in fact I don't think you can begin to understand what is going on in this world, or even come to know what a true satanic force is until you are prepared to 'meet with the shadow' and go some very dark places within your own soul.
There are different levels of power as well. I've mentioned before about knowing some girls and setting up 'gigs' for some private parties. Big amounts of money changing hands, relatively speaking. But even these people would be small fry to the Epsteins and royalty.
Don't forget, every powermonger needs his/her fixer. Someone he can trust. I think we were talking about this recently as well. You can buy anything in this world, but you can't buy trust and loyalty - they are priceless and if you can provide that service you have an in with even the top movers and shakers in this world.
Why do you think Savile got away with as much as he did? See how he moved with royalty, politicians, policemen (he used to hold a salon every sunday at his flat where he lived when he was in town). Savile was untouchable. He was twice and thrice removed from everyone as well. He would spot the most vulnerable kids and with his backstory he would get them to come along to meet the superstars of the day. And who knows maybe they had a go on the kids as well as all the police and politicians.
Here is a copy of Epstein's little black book:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html
I was looking for the person I met in there the other day knowing full well he would be in there and bingo! He was. Bernie Ecclestone is worth a few billion dollars - that's a lot of fuck you money. It buys you whatever and whoever you want in this life, pretty much. You can hire a whore for a coupla thousand bucks (so I'm told). Give or take. But more than that, you can hire the girl who works in the chip shop, or the girl that designs the bespoke furniture for your new yacht, or the girl that does the 'PR', or the girl you just saw in that club in Brazil who wants to be an F1 girl... or whoever takes your fancy.
One thing I learned 'working' with the other people I mentioned - the lower tier powermongers - is that it's true, everyone has their price. There were nice wholesome girls who would never consider in a million years polishing mistress' boots, well not for a couple of hundred quid anyway. First they don't think you are serious. They see it as some kind of test. But when the cash comes out and hits the table, and the faces turn a little bit more serious with earnest eyebrows raised, well, it's a different story.
What a girl wouldn't do for a couple of hundred bucks because she didn't think you were really serious, well most will dive in for 500. It was like a game to these people - to see who would do what for the lowest price. They even had bets on what price the girls would crack at.
Stick with me. I'm going somewhere with this. It's a story about the true nature of power.
True power means being untouchable, it means not having to say you're sorry, it means never having to explain, and it means never getting caught.
Remember, with great power comes no responsibility.
The not so clever and more eager to please ones would often be more than happy to do mistress' boots for 500 bucks once they realised they would be walking out the door an hour later with 5 ton in their back pocket. The more canny and quicker witted ones, held out for a bit more...
"Ooohh what sort of a girl do you take me for? I couldn't possible do that for that kind of money..."
So you double up to a 'K', in hard cold cash. Most crack by this point, if not all, and think they've really got one over on you, but there's plenty more where that came from. Keep in mind, this was never for sex. Not even any nudity. Just 'Mistress' slipping in to something a bit less comfortable along with her new 'maid'.
Think of it as 'Burlesque', 'edgy theatre', 'psycho-drama' or 'call it whatever you want' that just makes you feel a bit better about yourself in the morning and not needing to scrub yourself so hard to get the smell off.
I wouldn't call it moral. I'd call it a sin of sorts. But in truth it was just something that rich, bored, empty people liked to do on a Sunday or Saturday morning before or after going horse riding or shopping for their Veblen goods. I'm sure other people get up to far worse.
The thing is, just about every single girl had fun doing this. It was probably (definitely) something they would tell their friends about later as they took their fellow girlies out for a buckshee drink. How do I know? Well, a lot of them brought their friends back with them the next week. Sometimes you only need to light the touch paper and stand back.
Didn't matter if the girl had a husband or a boyfriend. A lot of them would just smile and say 'there is no way I'm telling hubby about this'.
Cash talks and bullshit walks.
Every now and again you'd come across someone that was so seriously offended that you would swear they were on the verge of calling the cops. And say what? Someone just offered me 1K to dress up in a nurse's uniform and polish their boots for them? Good luck with that. It's pretty much the victimless crime in a way, but I mention it because it is still a form of corruption. It was an interesting insight in to the human psyche - the female psyche in particular - and not to mention the true nature of power.
A lot of these girls I knew had just got off the banana boat from Poland, at a time when Polish girls were only starting to come in to the country (think early 90's). London, you need money for rent. And to be fair, a lot of the girls weren't the full picnic either. You might call them vulnerable. Naive they certainly were. But not all of them.
And the really clever and more mercenary ones were the ones that held out for more than 1K. 2K? Can I get 2K? No, 5K. Can I get 5K?
Yup. I never saw the price go higher than that. If they wouldn't do it for 5K they wouldn't do it at all and proved that they were really nice girls after all. There was a couple of them about. But not many.
This leads me back to Epstein and his operation.
The reason I told you about these people is because they had a very large amount of real 'power' relative to most people and especially to the young girls coming in to London at that time.
These people didn't need to use prostitutes. They didn't need to deal with pimps or druggies. They wanted real life down to earth people and didn't want to deal with the seedier side of things.
I, along with my LTR girlfriend at the time, just happened to be in the right place and the right time.
But these people were not filthy rich enough to own the kind of yacht that Bernie Ecclestone rides around in. They mixed with famous actors and lawyers (in their field) but not with royalty (maybe some low level aristos).
So it was with all that in mind that I kept my wits about me when hanging out with Bernie the other day. He was a little too friendly. He wanted something. Something that he thought a bearded bruiser like me with dread ponytail could provide (got a couple of nice little dreads coming on the back again - gonna be shaving it soon). It was weird. We had a great little chat and really hit it off. We had a lot to talk about: the middle east, carbon fibre composites, my time as a motor mechanic (but working on big 18-wheeler wagons) etc. etc.
And I just pulled away and said 'cya later' and walked off...
Something was not right. I could feel myself about to get in to a situation that I could not get out of. So I backed off. It was too weird.
And I now know how those very few girls who turned down even the 5K felt. They probably kicked themselves later (what might have been...). But instinct takes over and your fight or flight literally takes over your body.
Sometimes you just don't want to get involved when there is such a massive power differential.
The girls that Epstein had for 'massage' work knew exactly what they were getting in to.
In fact, if my little 'fantasy story' seems weird, it's not half as weird as the whole Epstein debacle seems to me. It just does not add up.
Think about it. These girls are highly vetted to keep their mouths shut. At that level of the game they might even be taught that snitches don't just end up with stitches, but they end up in ditches. You don't just go up against royalty like that unless you are very very brave or very very stupid or very very affiliated with another powermonger that has the power to protect you and your family. Game of thrones this is.
I know exactly the type of girls Epstein was in to - the same as all the other high level power mongers are. Real, nice girls, who can't believe their luck and will keep their traps shut for a couple of hundred bucks. I find it hard to believe he was only offering them that when he could have just times it by ten and for a coupla thousand bucks, who wouldn't keep their gob shut?
But no, he decided to act like a creep. Doesn't make sense.
If you are in to that dark side, you don't act like a creep. You buy girls, you have them kidnapped to order if you like, you get them trafficked (as is what they were supposed to be accused of).
So what was it? A bit of 'harmless' kinky massage? or young girls abducted to order and flown out to 'rape island' whilst still freshly drugged up?
There is not much middle ground with this stuff, if you follow me.
I knew some very dodgy people in the fetish scene in London at that time and they made my skin crawl. I wanted nothing to do with them.
The people that I have told you about were respectable 'non-scene' professionals, and this little game they used to play was just that to them: a game. They played those girls the same way we gamed girls when we were younger. Doesn't make it right. I put this out there for historical analysis and educational purposes.
I think my point is really this:
Epstein et al don't really seem like the kiddy kidnapping and torturing kind to me (might be wrong). There is so much you can get women to do even if it is via role play, for the right amoung of cash (dubai anyone?). You can go to EE and get the most stunning women in the world that will agree to be beaten black and blue (if that is your thing) for a coupla thousand bucks. Small change.
So why all this fuss and exposure over this? Why is it being dragged up again. This guy almost got away with murder. Even when he was imprisoned he was allowed to go to work each day! It was a joke.
This is either the 'circuses' bit of the 'bread and circuses' game, or it is internecine squabblng and vying for power a la game of thrones. Or who knows what.
One thing, it is most certainly not, is a new day, a new dawn, where these degenerate boomers will be brought to book. Not going to happen.
I thought at first when this reared its ugly head again it might be a power play to get at Trump, but Roosh's analysis seems plausible as to why this is probably not the case.
Remember, some of these people are demons.
Young girls find themselves in dungeons in chateaus in France and wake up to find themselve chained to a rack. Then it's all down hill from there for them. And no one ever even knows they are missing. And no one ever knows their fate. The disappeared. Rest their souls.
This whole Epstein shit show just doesn't make sense to me. There is no logic in it anywhere. It will be interesting to see how it pans out, but without a doubt it will fizzle out.
And then they will present us with another false dawn...
My prediction: This will bubble along for a bit. Maybe Epstein gets pretend jail again. And the people who this whole charade was really for are brought back in to line. No PM's or Presidents will do time. Not even Maxwell's daughter (the fixer) or the other lowly minions.
A circus show. Smoke and mirrors.
Anyway, here's the link again for Epstein's little (redacted) black book:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html
Some very interesting people in there!
Foolsgo1d
Peacock
It remains to be seen what happens but accepting and prosecuting the likes of those who lord it over us is a dangerous game for the powerbrokers. If you start shining light on one group of roaches you will see another trying to skitter away.
Case in point, look at the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs across the UK. If you started to slam dunk them in public, ignoring their feeble lies of cultural differences you will see a vast pedophile network. But it wont stop there because politicians, social services and the police will be involved, including those in the court system.
All of a sudden the public learns the sheer number of child rapists and human traffickers is beyond anything they imagined. Then it goes higher and higher.
The Epsteins and the Weinsteins - (((nice names))) - are going to take the bullets to appease those out for blood and the masses wont care.
Case in point, look at the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs across the UK. If you started to slam dunk them in public, ignoring their feeble lies of cultural differences you will see a vast pedophile network. But it wont stop there because politicians, social services and the police will be involved, including those in the court system.
All of a sudden the public learns the sheer number of child rapists and human traffickers is beyond anything they imagined. Then it goes higher and higher.
The Epsteins and the Weinsteins - (((nice names))) - are going to take the bullets to appease those out for blood and the masses wont care.
MusicForThePiano
Pelican
The whole system is involved. If change is going to happen, then people are going to have to drop their balls and pull their kids out of school en masse. Deny the governcunt access to your child and their brain and body. Deny them the statistical chance of putting your child in front of one of the illegal perverts they hire to clean the bathrooms at the school, or sickening childless hag spewing her death notes to their ears everyday. I think that would be a major blow to the esthaglishment.
This is definitely not what it seems, and is probably riling up the qtards who think that Obongo, Hellary Rotten Cunton, Slick Willy, and Soros are next.
This just checks off the box on zionism, throw some food to the goy dogs to keep them occupied but also allows the rest to continue moving unseen furthering the agenda.
This is definitely not what it seems, and is probably riling up the qtards who think that Obongo, Hellary Rotten Cunton, Slick Willy, and Soros are next.
This just checks off the box on zionism, throw some food to the goy dogs to keep them occupied but also allows the rest to continue moving unseen furthering the agenda.
captain_shane said:
She is the missing link in this story. I doubt we will ever hear about her again, except in passing. Not a bad looking woman for her age. Plain, non-descript, just what you want.
She 'madame'd for Epstein. She 'madame'd for a few others as well.
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Well, from a distance, if you know what I mean.
If you are truly evil and want fodder for your satanic rituals, then you just employ child-catchers like marc dutroux (paging SS, paging SS).
No need for games or finesse. Just good old fashioned medieval brutality.
When a 'madame' is involved, it can be because you want to catch those girls and having a woman providing 'value' for you can entice them in. But this is the middle ground.
It's my understanding that the vast majority of people don't play in the middle ground. They are either outright perverted monsters, or rich kids with too much time and money on their hands so they want to play some 'kinky' games.
Everything so far points to it being the latter with Epstein et al. Even if it does involve royalty. There is no evidence of anything more nefarious than that. And there never will be...
They are hanging Epstein for a lamb rather than a sheep.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/di...t-as-well-be-hanged-for-a-sheep-as-for-a-lamb
But let's face it. Even if he did get pre-teen girls in from Democratic Rebublic of Congo and blood-sacrificed them, it's not the sort of thing you'd hear about on the BBC is it?
These people are untouchable. They are above the law. There is no law for them.
This is what makes this such a nonsense. Really, the guy paid a few young scrubbers a few hundred quid to get their panties off and give him a hand-shandy? Wowser!
And you will drag someone over the coals (again) related to royalty, just for what?
It could be that the involvement of G. Maxwell means this was a very deeply evil and satanic operation. Possibly.
But more likely, I think she was there to sound out the girls, put them at ease. Go for a few drinks. Drink in that heady cocktail of the best bars/clubs. All with big beefy security. A quick nip out on the yacht at Cannes.
And just after 'madame' has groomed them, it all turns a bit serious for a moment:
"Look girls, you may think this is the highlife, but my clients are among the most rich and powerful men in this world. This is not a game. You now have the opportunity to earn a lot of money for doing very little, but one thing that is demanded of you is your loyalty and your discretion. To break that..."
The girls, already giddy and won over agree.
They wouldn't just be getting their panties off and giving massages. They would be doing pretty much anything the degenerate mind could make up, within reason. And sometimes beyond reason.
Because everyone has their price.
G. Maxwell is not that much of a stunner. She's pretty 'earthy'. But she's perfect for getting girls on board.
I believe she is a major part of the operation (whatever the operation was) and she was there to facilitate and grease the wheels to make sure no one got out of hand and that there was always an older babushka to cry to if things went too far.
This was a sophisticated operation.
We will never know the full extent of it.
We are just being laughed at and teased.
Young girls whore themselves out every day for these elites.
Watch the film Eyes Wide Shut to see how it works out for girls that 'go against the grain'.
G. Maxwell will never even be brought to trial for her involvement.
Caduceus
Pelican
Looks like most of us here are black pilled enough to realise the chances of this leading to anything substantial are very low.
Trump will only push hard on this if his polls and focus groups tell him it will re-motivate all his lost 2016 voters, and get him re-elected in 2020. Perhaps Trump knows his re-election is in serious doubt and this is his last ditch attempt to re-energise his lost base. But even thats giving him way too much credit.
The much hallowed Trump 4D chess turned out to be a myth bigger than bigfoot - much talked about and rumored, but never actually seen or proven. ...and just like bigfoot, believing openly in 4D chess made you look really, really stupid afterwards for being so gullible.
Trump will only push hard on this if his polls and focus groups tell him it will re-motivate all his lost 2016 voters, and get him re-elected in 2020. Perhaps Trump knows his re-election is in serious doubt and this is his last ditch attempt to re-energise his lost base. But even thats giving him way too much credit.
The much hallowed Trump 4D chess turned out to be a myth bigger than bigfoot - much talked about and rumored, but never actually seen or proven. ...and just like bigfoot, believing openly in 4D chess made you look really, really stupid afterwards for being so gullible.
Foolsgo1d said:
They will suffer those arrows. Possibly.
But those arrows will be made of spun sugar.
This isn't a circus for us plebs though, I feel. We aren't being even being thrown a bone here.
Someone on 'the other side' has stepped out of line, and someone else needs to show how far they will go to flex that bit of power they have, to pull everyone back in to line.
Keep an eye out for famous people suddenly throwing themselves off bridges. Or getting 'sudden depression'.
I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein is being charged to bring down Ehud Barak.
SeaFM said:
Yep.
While it may only matter when there are multiple instances of actual sentencing & jail time.
I won't be surprised it the no. of notables suddenly dying or committing suicide rises, above the heightened rate already in play...
One of my more recent red-pills is that when people talk about "billionaire" Epstein, the Mossad connections and how he simply fell into his vast wealth, it pays to remember that many of these billionaires are simply bag-holders to push money around. They don't own that wealth. It's theirs on paper but it functionally belongs to bigger fish and organisations you've probably never heard of.
They get to live like billionaires but at the end of the day they aren't at liberty to cut a cheque for ten million to anyone their masters don't order them to. I'd bet what little I have that Epstein's last will and testament leaves everything to an obscure shell corporation. There's no way the powers that be are risking him having a crisis of conscience and leaving a billion bucks to a whistle-blower before hanging himself.
They get to live like billionaires but at the end of the day they aren't at liberty to cut a cheque for ten million to anyone their masters don't order them to. I'd bet what little I have that Epstein's last will and testament leaves everything to an obscure shell corporation. There's no way the powers that be are risking him having a crisis of conscience and leaving a billion bucks to a whistle-blower before hanging himself.
Epstein managed money for the founder of the Limited (Victoria's secret) I think the name is Wexler. They asked some people in finance about him, and they said that he keeps a very low profile. Many times the guy has been compared to Gatsby, and there is speculation he cooperated with the government during the financial crisis so that they could go after Bear Stearns.
How did he get his billions, I have no clue.
I remember doing research on the guy around 2015. My jaw dropped in horror when I saw how many victims there were, and all the possible collaborators, and at the sentence he got. 13 months in a jail, with work release daily. Normal people don't get deals like that. Especially normal people who have done things that heinous.
How did he get his billions, I have no clue.
I remember doing research on the guy around 2015. My jaw dropped in horror when I saw how many victims there were, and all the possible collaborators, and at the sentence he got. 13 months in a jail, with work release daily. Normal people don't get deals like that. Especially normal people who have done things that heinous.