Johnny Depp 51 to wed Amber Heard 27

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
Well this secret audio wraps this thread up in a little bow. Abuser Depp sadistically calling for peace and no more physical abuse, and victim Heard calling him a baby and telling him she can't promise she won't hit him anymore.

 

puckerman

Ostrich
Erin Pizzey opened the first shelter for domestic violence in the UK. This was in the early 1970's. She noticed pretty quickly that "the women were as violent as the men."

This reminds me of why women who uses lots of expletives turn me off.

Here is Pizzey with Cassie Jaye:

 

griffinmill

Kingfisher
debeguiled said:
Well this secret audio wraps this thread up in a little bow. Abuser Depp sadistically calling for peace and no more physical abuse, and victim Heard calling him a baby and telling him she can't promise she won't hit him anymore.


It's interesting that this new broke about 48 hours ago. This is a pretty huge story involving two Hollywood players. One star - an advocate for abuse and women's rights - gleefully admitting spousal abuse and violence and not atoning for it, in fact calling the victim a baby for not withstanding the abuse and violence.

...and yet, a media blackout.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
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They will somehow turn this into Depp's fault. There will be articles about being audio recorded without consent, and how he violated the sanctified privacy of the relationship. Or something like that. It's like a magician telling you you have a free choice of any card. This is their Everest. It is a challenge. How can we make THIS the man's fault? The appropriate typists are just working out the details in glee right now. It's coming.
 
CynicalContrarian said:


She sounds like fun...
While he sounds drunk.

Argument aside, one drawback of marrying a girl young enough to be your daughter is the fact that you end up being her surrogate father. In this case though she sounds like the mom in the relationship. This is one exceptional case where the feminist fallacy of men going for young women because they're immature may have some legs.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
She doesn't sound like the mom, she just sounds condescending. Little girls start talking to their dad like that starting around 4 if they can get away with it.

He sounds like the dad to me, or at least the only adult.

She sounds like a sociopath, constantly shifting strategies, probing for weakness.

I never thought much about Depp before, and in this recording, it seemed that his attitude and way of dealing with conflict deserved respect.

He just needs a human partner.
 

Grodin

Woodpecker
debeguiled said:
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They will somehow turn this into Depp's fault. There will be articles about being audio recorded without consent, and how he violated the sanctified privacy of the relationship. Or something like that. It's like a magician telling you you have a free choice of any card. This is their Everest. It is a challenge. How can we make THIS the man's fault? The appropriate typists are just working out the details in glee right now. It's coming.

I think there will be no articles. They want to memory hole this one.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
debeguiled said:
She doesn't sound like the mom, she just sounds condescending. Little girls start talking to their dad like that starting around 4 if they can get away with it.

He sounds like the dad to me, or at least the only adult.

She sounds like a sociopath, constantly shifting strategies, probing for weakness.

I never thought much about Depp before, and in this recording, it seemed that his attitude and way of dealing with conflict deserved respect.

He just needs a human partner.


Or a chick damaged enough to only appreciate more 'savage' behaviour from her boyfriends.
Would not be surprised if she hits Depp, subconsciously hoping that he hits back...
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
Depp wishes he only had this level of difficulty :

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kel

Ostrich
debeguiled said:
Little girls start talking to their dad like that starting around 4 if they can get away with it.

Quote-replying for emphasis. Fathers: being a father is so important. So much of what we're experiencing today goes back to weak, permissive, or absent fathers.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
kel said:
Quote-replying for emphasis. Fathers: being a father is so important. So much of what we're experiencing today goes back to weak, permissive, or absent fathers.

My flatmate once divulged that her at times absentee father, was physically abusive when he was around.
Not sexually abusive. Just physically abusive.
Her father is dead now. Due to cancer as I recall. All the while he died while she still had mixed feelings about him.

So it is interesting that although she's largely fine now. She's a big fan of Gordon Ramsey. Brash, blustery Gordon Ramsey.
I guess that early exposure to an abusive male figure has hardwired her to seek out validation or seek the approval or attention of the more brash & overly bold types...

Also dated a rather pretty, yet very reserved gal recently.
Came from a broken home & is largely estranged from her father.
Wasn't easy to date her though in the end.
Seems she has underlying abandonment issues. She mentioned a fear of hers, is getting too close to a guy, only to have him disappear & leave her 'holding the bag'...

35 years of age, no kids, never married & she's still stuck in a juvenile mentality.
Whereby she can't separate a new guy from her father or other dud guys she dated in the past...

Counter the two above, to the gal I'm dating now.
Parents are still happily married & the gal is rather pleasant, positive & proactive.
 

budoslavic

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
Johnny Depp and Amber Heard’s Lawyers Respond to Leaked Audio – Second Conversation of Heard Taunting Depp Leaks: “See How Many People Believe or Side With You”
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Spencer Baculi | February 6, 2020

As Amber Heard and Johnny Depp both respond to the recently leaked audio recording of Heard allegedly abusing Depp through their respective legal teams, a second audio conversation has been leaked wherein Heard can be heard mocking Depp for being a male victim of domestic assault.

Following the initial leak, both parties provided statements through their lawyers to the USA TODAY. Depp’s attorney, Adam Waldman, told the news outlet that the audio “reveals a conversation any real abuse victim will recognize all too well.”

    “The first confessional tape she made reveals a conversation any real abuse victim will recognize all too well. It exposes that Ms. Heard perpetrated serial violence against Mr. Depp, and then concocted an elaborate abuse hoax to cover it up. Ms. Heard gives a motive for her violence: Mr. Depp was always trying to ‘split’ to escape her abuse.”

Roberta Kaplan, the head of Heard’s legal team, did not discuss the leaked recordings or the allegations of abuse but stated that “the fact that a woman fights or talks back does not mean that she has not been the subject of repeated domestic violence and abuse.”

    “The fact that a woman fights or talks back does not mean that she has not been the subject of repeated domestic violence and abuse. It’s a myth to say, as Mr. Depp apparently is implying, that if Ms. Heard slapped him, then she can’t also be a victim. That is just not true.”

Following these responses, The Daily Mail released a second, exclusive audio recording, along with a transcript, featuring further conversations between Heard and Depp.

Throughout the 30-minute audio clip, the couple appear to argue about the situation surrounding their then-impending divorce, with Heard concerned about “being called a liar and a gold-digger.”

    “JOHNNY DEPP: But I’m telling you now, if I file, if they file the f**king papers tomorrow, which means the s**t I’ve got to file before we go to court on Friday, if they file those papers, first of all, it’s very bad for both of us.

    AMBER HEARD: Well, your people are not going to file anything that’s bad for you, trust me.

    JD: No, no what you’re saying, you’ve got to do something to protect yourself which means throwing me under the bus for the, some video about me beating you?

    AH: Not me. I have to respond. I mean I’ll have to go and pursue, no I’ll pursue the whole course of action, because here’s what you don’t understand. If, if we do this, and basically will know. I called my lawyers and I said why aren’t we negotiating now, what’s going on, where are we, and they’re like everything’s under court.

    JD: No, they won’t settle. Your agents won’t settle. Your lawyers won’t settle baby. I’m telling you.

    AH: We want to mediate. We even have a mediator, found a mediator and everything. But that was all worked out. But the thing that Laura [Wasser, Depp’s attorney] wouldn’t agree to, she did not want to agree to a mutual gag order. That’s the problem, she doesn’t want the gag order, why Johnny? Why? Why wouldn’t she? Why wouldn’t she want both parties not to talk about this in the press?

    AH: I just want you to know. I’m not doing anything and have not been doing any move. Look it up, the timeline. Nothing was on the offense. Everything has been a defensive move because I’m being called a liar and a gold-digger. And I am not lying about any of this s**t, and I am not after a dime of your money.”

A frustrated Depp then asks if Heard really wants “to go to court with this,” offering Heard “an opportunity for us to make this finish in peace” by proposing the two “write a mutual letter that says look, in lieu of what’s transpiring out there in the world with all this f**king crazy s**t, we have decided to take this private.”

    “JD: It’s hurting You. It’s hurting You. And it’s hurting me. But the worst f**king thing is (unintelligible). Do you want to go to court Amber? Seriously? Do you want to go to court with this? I’m offering you an opportunity for us to make this finish in peace. Peaceful, man. We walk away. You go do what you gotta do, I go do what I gotta do. I, I, I’ve been through the f**ing hurt. You’ve been through the f**king hurt. I love you more than anything in life. I do not want to go into a f**king court with you. I do not want to f**king tarnish your name. I do not want to f**king tarnish. I don’t want nothing. I want this to be done peacefully, between us. And if you don’t like the way that mediation is going, take me back to court kid. Cause I can’t. This is the last f**king chance Amber. This is it. Once I file those papers we don’t turn around man. I know you hate me, and I know you whatever, I’m telling you now, there’s no call, it doesn’t need to happen like this. Please, for f**ks sake trust me man.

    JD: Continuing through court is going to end up nothing but bad for you, and for me. It’s just going to be bad. In any case, no matter whether we ruin each other or not, it’s going to be f**king heartbreaking, it’s terrible. Let’s write a mutual letter that says look, in lieu of what’s transpiring out there in the world with all this f**king crazy s**t, we have decided to take this private. We’re not going to go to court, right now, over this. We are going to try to work something out, together. And then at least, at the very f**king least. I know you want to respond, and I know you want to defend yourself. Listen to me. Defending yourself by throwing someone under the bus is not going to look good.”

Heard responds by stating that “it would not be about me throwing you under the bus” before proceeding to detail how she would release numerous forms of evidence proving Depp’s alleged abusive behavior, claiming that a pair of attorneys told her that she had “the most solid evidence, case of domestic violence case we’ve ever seen.”

    “AH: I’m not. It’s not about that. It would not be about me throwing you under the bus. You know what it would be? It would be released through documented people, coming on the record, and, having the protection to do so, that haven’t had yet. It would be eyewitness statements. It would be evidence. Tons of it. And it would be through years. And it would be unbelievable. Unbelievable, um, to imagine that either I’m (a) in a secret fight club, or (b) I’ve had um…

    JD: A secret what?

    AH: A secret fight club. Or that I have been plotting to do this for three years, and, while taking pictures of it, and documenting it, just saving it up for the right time when I’m not asking for any money and have nothing financial to gain from it. But no one is going to believe that. No one is going to believe that one of the two alternatives, that I’m in a fight club or I’ve been getting, going through hair and makeup or going through makeup through all these years where I have corroborating text messages between people that match those dates of those time stamped validated photos of either corroboration between people hearing us.

    AH: All of that won’t be me throwing you under the bus, that will be evidence, in the case. Which I will have to, it will be criminal as well, because I cannot go on Friday and file without filing a police statement first. And the only reason I haven’t filed a police statement, which has been used against me by the way, every day, and the only reason I won’t do it, haven’t done it, is because I don’t want to hurt you and that means it goes out of my hands and every, we had a third party guy, a third party prosecutor come and a criminal lawyer come, and they went, the problem is hearing from you like your biggest struggle, this is just, is that it is the most solid evidence, case of domestic violence case we’ve ever seen. And if you get this over to them or any part of it they will prosecute him. And I felt like, I would never want that. For you. Because I don’t even, it’s hard for me, I don’t even call myself, like, in my head it’s hard for me to even accept any sort of victimdom, ever. And I don’t want to hurt you.”

Depp then reaffirms to Heard that he loves her and tells her that he believes “it’s a mistake to go to court,” whilst Heard is concerned with “how to get my reputation back.”

    “JD: I understand. I understand. And I don’t want to hurt you either. I’m only going to say this. I love you. I love you. I’ve always loved you. And I know that, look, you do whatever you feel you have to do. I’m telling you now it’s a mistake to go to court. If you want to go to court, we’ll go to court. I would rather take care of it in a different way, I think it would be very good for you, and it would be very good for me. But you know what?

    AH: I’ve been called a liar.

    JD: Baby, you know what?

    AH: And I’ve been called a golddigger.

    JD: Baby. Baby. Amber, I didn’t call you those things. I didn’t call you those things.

    JD: It’s been going on too long Amber and we’ve got to stop this. It’s got to stop it.

    AH: I don’t know how to get my reputation back.”

The writing of a letter which would inform the public that the matter would be resolved privately is once again proposed by Depp, as Heard focuses on how “every ounce of my credibility has been taken from” her.

    “JD: We write a letter together. Saying that we are going to take this out of the public eye. Saying that we are going to try and work this out on our own. Saying that the media has created such a f**king hateful storm that it’s sickening. That we love each other. And that we want to make sure each other’s OK. Have we had fights in the past, have we had this or whatever, f**k it, whatever, they already know all that s**t, it don’t matter. Here’s the deal.

    AH: Oh, it matters. I have been, I have been, you have no idea, every ounce of my credibility has been taken from. And done so in a dishonest way. You know.”

The discussion then moves to the incident where Heard threw a champagne bottle at Depp, resulting in severe damage to his finger. Heard claims that she was “forced” to publicly accuse Depp of abuse, and when Depp brings up his previously damaged digit, Heard mocks Depp for being a male victim of abuse, claiming that no one would believe “it was a fair fight” and taunting him to “Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence.”

    “JD: Amber, the abuse, the abuse thing is, is we’ve got to deal with that, yeah. We’ve got to deal with that Amber.

    AH: We don’t have any way of, my credit, It’s my credibility.

    JD: Then why did you put that out there?

    AH: I did not. You forced me, your team, forced me to by going on the offense.

    AH: Well I’m sorry. I’m sorry because the last time it got crazy between us I really did think I was gonna lose my life. And I thought you would do it on accident. And I told you that. I said oh my god, I thought the first time.

    JD: Amber, I lost a f**king finger man, c’mon. I had a f**king, I had a f**king mineral can, a jar, a can of mineral spirits thrown at my nose.

    AH: You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the jury and judge thinks. Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence.

    JD: Yes.

    AH: And I, you know, it’s a fair fight. And see how many people believe or side with you.

    JD: It doesn’t matter, fair fight my a**.”

Heard then states no one would believe him because he is “bigger” and “stronger” than her before stating that she never sees herself as a “victim.”

    “AH: That’s exactly. Because your big, you’re bigger and you’re stronger. And so when I say that I thought that you could kill me, that doesn’t mean you counter with you also lost your own finger. I, I’m not trying to attack you here, I’m just trying to point out the fact of why I said call 911. Because I was, you had your hands on me after you threw a phone at my face. And it’s got crazy in the past, and I truly thought I need to stop this madness before I get hurt.

    JD: Oh my god.

    AH: And I never think about myself that way. I never defend myself that way. I never see myself as a victim.”

Depp makes reference to another incident where his building manager Travis had to “to come up and f**king pull me away from you” to protect Depp from Heard, before directly asking Heard whether she truly believes that he is “an abuser,” to which she responds with a clear “yes.”

    “JD: There’s also Travis coming to get me, there’s Travis having to come up and f**king pull me away from you.

    JD: You’re going to have to do this under oath too you know.

    AH: I will because the unfortunate part is I can talk about all of this.

    JD: Do you believe all this Amber? Do you believe all this?

    AH: Yes, the f**k, yes, yes.

    JD: You believe I’m an abuser?

    AH Yes.

    JD: You believe I’m an abuser?

    AH: In May, In December, in, in April”

He then asks her if she believes that she herself is an abuser, to which Heard denies the label on the grounds that she is a “almost 115lb woman” who has “never been able to overpower you” and reminds Depp that “jury and there’s a judge will see that there’s a very big difference between me and you”:

    “JD: Do you believe you’re an abuser?

    AH: No.

    JD: Do you believe you abused me physically?

    AH: Do I physically believe, I mean do I believe I physically abused you?

    JD: Yes?

    AH: Do you know I’m a 115, well not anymore, but I was a 115lb almost 115lb woman and you have the capacity…

    JD: That’s not the question. That’s not the question.

    AH: Have I ever been able to knock you off of your feet? Or knock you off balance?

    JD: You started. You started these things.

    AH: You’re going to get up on the stand, Johnny, and say, ‘she started it’? Really? I have never been able to overpower you that’s the difference between me and you.

    JD: Why did you try?

    AH: And that’s a difference, that’s a whole world, and there’s a jury and there’s a judge will see that there’s a very big difference between me and you.”

Depp then tells Heard that she is “f***ing killing me” and laments how “my boy goes to school and has kids go ‘so your f**king dad’s a wifebeater’?” Heard claims that she and her family had been receiving “death threats” due to Depp’s legal protective actions.

    “JD: You cannot automatically, you cannot think that it’s just my side. You are f**king killing me. Your f**king people are trying to kill me. You’ve turned me into a, my boy has to go to school, my boy goes to school and has kids go ‘so your f**king dad’s a wifebeater’? You don’t think about that Amber.

    AH: You don’t think also my family, and all the death threats? Me and every single person in my immediate circle of friends and family is getting also matters? And you don’t think I, you don’t think I?

    JD: Death threats?!!

    AH: Your people put this out. Why, why, why, why did your security go on the record and lie? Why, that’s a proactive measure. Why did your divorce attorney get to file for divorce period? At all? Second, why did she have to go and leak to TMZ? Why if you wanted it private, is TMZ being fed information literally by Laura Wasser and Marty Singer every step of the way? My, my my my arrest records. Who put that in the media? The rumors that I was a stripper? Or, of course I can expect that. I’ve known every step of the way, every single step of the way everything you give ’em.”

The recording concludes with Depp telling Heard he will “see you in court” and that he had ultimately fallen in love with a false version of her, stating “I loved you for so many f**king years but you know what? You didn’t exist. You don’t exist. You’re not there.”

    “AH: Thank you.

    JD: This is not, no, this is me. This is me saying I tried. And thank you. And I will see you in f**king court. You don’t want to make f**king nice nice? I’m trying. I’m trying. But you know what? You, I loved you for so many f**king years but you know what? You didn’t exist. You don’t exist. You’re not there. You’re not there. You are a f**king  made up thing in my head. And I can’t believe you are doing this to me.”

As of writing, none of the involved parties have responded to the leaked recordings.
 

monsquid

Kingfisher
Haig said:
There are too many red flags with this woman. No successful man in his right mind would wife up.

She is nothing more than an attention whore who probably sucks a mean dick. Which has got Edward Scissorhands all cut up.

It will end badly for Depp.

Damn, you called it back in 2014 bro.
 

ScannerLIV

Woodpecker
Let's be frank, one look at her is all it takes to know she's no wife material. Not hard to call it. Look at her eyes!

Esp those blue eyes and blondes-they always seem like they could stab you in back. And they (of Anglo stock) never ever age well.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
ScannerLIV said:
Let's be frank, one look at her is all it takes to know she's no wife material. Not hard to call it. Look at her eyes!

Esp those blue eyes and blondes-they always seem like they could stab you in back. And they (of Anglo stock) never ever age well.

Noting how Australia is at times referred to as a : sun-burnt land. While also noting that most Aus. white folk are Irish / British in origin.
It seems that Irish / British DNA is not suited to a harsh & sunny environment.
Especially when the clowns bake themselves in the sun all summer long at the beach.
They seem to age very, very easily.

I would not be surprised if the same thing could be said for Irish / Brit. derived folk & California.
 
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